USA! USA! (DOMA)
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First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.
That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.
We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.
I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.
I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.
I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.
You don't make the rules for MFP. This is a divisice topic and should not be allowed to be up.
It'll be taken down in due time. The moderators will see to it. Until then, I say let the celebration continue! :bigsmile:0 -
There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.
Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.
That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.
We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.
I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.
I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.
I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.
Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.
Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.
I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.
I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.
I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.
How very tolerant of you.0 -
I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.0
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First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.
That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.
We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.
I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.
I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.
I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.
You don't make the rules for MFP. This is a divisice topic and should not be allowed to be up.
I never said I made the rules for MFP. If they want to lock down the thread they are going to and that will be that. I can still have my opinions about the freedom of communication. I don't see why you are even coming after me. My position is you should be allowed to post in any public forum thread no matter how wrong you are.0 -
I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.
if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.0 -
Wahooo. The battle has been won, but the war for equality is far from over. Good step in the right direction though! :flowerforyou: :drinker:0
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if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.0
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I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.
No in fact the bulk of what I am saying only applies when we don't agree. Tolerance is necessary when we all agree. You don't have any need to be tolerant of things that you like and agree with. Tolerance by definition must apply when we are talking about things we do not agree upon. If I am having to be tolerant of something it means that I don't like it or I would prefer it if it were gone.0 -
if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.0
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Good news indeed.
It's like the cave just got electric lighting.0 -
if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.
I'm not really sure what your deal is. I am just saying we can all have civil discussions without slinging mud. I'm not a whistle blower, so I don't report threads, unless people are out and out name-calling and/or attacking other members or body bashing.0 -
YaY!!!!! It's a small step but its still a step!0
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Good news indeed.
It's like the cave just got electric lighting.
Like the last cave on the block that got electric lighting. But, progress is progress and I hope to keep seeing steps in the right direction! :drinker:0 -
WooooHoooo!
FYI, tolerance is important. I wish that everyone would learn that lesson, but of course it takes time with equality for those who disagree to become tolerant. Think how long it took in the south to accept that seperate was not equal.0 -
So excited!0
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There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.
Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.
That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.
We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.
I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.
I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.
I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.
Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.
Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.
I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.
I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.
I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.
How very tolerant of you.
It is possible that you are being sarcastic and you are condescending to me because you think I am pompous and arrogant or something equally negative. This is the internet and we are communicating with text so I can't rule that out but if you are being serious then I thank you.
I do try to be tolerant when it is appropriate and I do try to approach things with an even hand. I realize I may have jumped to a hasty conclusion about your overall views of the issue at hand and for that I did have to own up to it but I didn't want the overall idea to be lost.0 -
Good news indeed.
It's like the cave just got electric lighting.
Like the last cave on the block that got electric lighting. But, progress is progress and I hope to keep seeing steps in the right direction! :drinker:
So now we can bang sober!0 -
This is an awesome day!0
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This is very exciting and a step in the right direction!0
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if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.
I have reported you for being a fake profile. You just joined the site, your first forum past was today and you somehow end up only in a relationship thread before switching over to this DOMA thread...how convenient. Are you Lone_Wolf? I bet you are. If not, you're still just a troll. TROLL!
This is not me. WTF? all i have said on here is "this is not for Chit chat".0
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