I ATE PIZZA AND ICE CREAM BED, WOKE UP LESS FAT

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  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    He said, defiantly.

    That's great for you. Some people don't want to eat pizza and ice cream, because it doesn't work for them.

    Does that fact somehow affect YOUR life?

    It doesn't affect my life because I know the truth. Pizza, ice cream, iguana sticks, etc may not work for some people due to a medical condition such as diabetes. However, if you are free from disease (And most of you are. Your thyroid is fine.) then it's all about the caloric deficit.

    I take offense to people peddling arugula salads and spirulina tonics as the way to "be healthy" and lose weight. Desperate people arrive on forums like this and are told that hamburgers are fattening and they should only eat pancakes once and a while , which sets them up for failure.

    My husband is 6'1" and weighs between 150-160 and he eats whatever he wants. He has a great metabolism. Does eating McDoubles, pizza or ice cream make him fat? NO. Does it make him healthy? NO. His most recent blood panel showed he had high cholesterol. He does not have diabetes, no hypothyroid (or hyper for that matter) and heart disease doesn't run in his family. He can run miles even if he hasn't exercised in months and he can pass every fitness test the military gives him. Does that make him healthy? Not according to his cholesterol levels. He needs to not eat McDoubles and pizza and ice cream in order to be healthy, NOT THIN. Please don't confuse the two.

    How is the high cholesterol affecting his life? He is at an ideal weight and is fit. I'm not seeing what's negative about this scenario other than a number on a chart...
  • curvymomo3
    curvymomo3 Posts: 253 Member
    'MURKIKA! Eat what the crap ya want and take a vitamin!!! LOL


    all things in moderation of course :D

    congrats on the loss!
  • born2drum
    born2drum Posts: 731 Member
    LOL refeeds do that. I, on the otherhand, gained about 3lbs in water weight over saturday night's 3000 calorie day. It's ok. It will come off.
  • TheRealParisLove
    TheRealParisLove Posts: 1,907 Member
    You're a guy. My husband can cut back by one beer a day (still drinks one after work) and lose 10 pounds.

    Men have a genetic ability to burn fat faster than women. It's science.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    Funny to see a newbie talked about "noobs". Talk to me when you under 20% BF at the minimum. Or when you sustained your weight loss for over 6 months.

    Great job logging, BTW.
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    Yep. They're doing it wrong. But Mcdouble+fries+slice = ~1500 calories.

    McDouble: 390
    Fries: 230/380/500
    1 Lg (14") Slice of Meat Lovers Pizza from Pizza Hut: 380/400/470 (depending on crust) (and less if the pizza was medium/small.)

    Range: 1000 - 1360.

    I'd guess a regular value meal with a mcdouble if there was fries and that would put it at 1170 with a normal crust on the pizza... McDoubles aren't good, but it's not THAT bad. Now if you want a serious high calorie McDonalds meal check out the Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, Large Fries, & McCafe 22oz Chocolate Shake... that's 2090 calories.

    I took the McDouble calories from the OP's diary. Shows one serving for two McDoubles (780). Seemed about right for a double cheeseburger, but it's one of the tiny patty "burgers", so yeah. Add 350-500 cals for fries, and 300-500 for a slice of real pizza, and you can get a pretty big number.

    But the point is not McDonalds calories. The point is that higher calorie targets allow for a lot more leeway. It's waaay easier for me to incorporate calorie-dense meals at ~2400/day than it is for the people doing sub-2ks.

    OP also didn't mention he was eating low fat ice cream and diet pizza, which obviously changes the calorie dynamics a bit.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    You're a guy. My husband can cut back by one beer a day (still drinks one after work) and lose 10 pounds.

    Men have a genetic ability to burn fat faster than women. It's science.

    You are correct. Women will have to consume less calories however the same principle applies to both genders.
  • iamkass
    iamkass Posts: 122 Member
    For all you "what about nutrition" folks worried that we aren't healthy.. you know you can have healthy ice cream, pizza, burgers. I personally eat processed foods occasionally so I'm not trying to be preachy to either group, but I nice homemade pizza or burger can be incredibly nutritious. Same goes for homemade ice cream.

    So before this turns into an inevitable clean eating debate, can we just agree that not every burger/pizza/ice cream is made the same?
  • minijuggernaut
    minijuggernaut Posts: 98 Member
    For all you "what about nutrition" folks worried that we aren't healthy.. you know you can have healthy ice cream, pizza, burgers. I personally eat processed foods occasionally so I'm not trying to be preachy to either group, but I nice homemade pizza or burger can be incredibly nutritious. Same goes for homemade ice cream.

    So before this turns into an inevitable clean eating debate, can we just agree that not every burger/pizza/ice cream is made the same?

    I can't help but feel like there would be a lot less "THAT'S NOT HEALTHY" replies if this post wasn't
    1) here in this first place and
    2) so brashly contrary and defensive for absolutely no reason

    Just eat what makes you feel good and F the rest. Christ almighty.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    2) so brashly contrary and defensive for absolutely no reason

    My reasons are clearly in the OP.
  • KANGOOJUMPS
    KANGOOJUMPS Posts: 6,474 Member
    yep, of course, we all know this,
  • iamkass
    iamkass Posts: 122 Member
    For all you "what about nutrition" folks worried that we aren't healthy.. you know you can have healthy ice cream, pizza, burgers. I personally eat processed foods occasionally so I'm not trying to be preachy to either group, but I nice homemade pizza or burger can be incredibly nutritious. Same goes for homemade ice cream.

    So before this turns into an inevitable clean eating debate, can we just agree that not every burger/pizza/ice cream is made the same?

    I can't help but feel like there would be a lot less "THAT'S NOT HEALTHY" replies if this post wasn't
    1) here in this first place and
    2) so brashly contrary and defensive for absolutely no reason

    Just eat what makes you feel good and F the rest. Christ almighty.

    If you hate the forums so much, why do you use them?
  • minijuggernaut
    minijuggernaut Posts: 98 Member
    2) so brashly contrary and defensive for absolutely no reason

    My reasons are clearly in the OP.

    And what did you think that your OP was going to accomplish? That you'd show all of the stupid "clean eaters" the light? That they'd suddenly realize how much time they'd wasted, and begin eating McDonalds? That you would swoop in as the MFP hero and put an end to these long, boring threads that are posted day in and day out, that this was the final say-so on whether or not a calorie is a calorie?

    Please. You're trolling. Stop.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    Please. You're trolling. Stop.

    No.

    My point is to help people understand that they can eat what they want within a calorie deficit and lose weight.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    If you hate the forums so much, why do you use them?

    To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone.
  • iamkass
    iamkass Posts: 122 Member
    If you hate the forums so much, why do you use them?

    To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone.

    I was replying to minijuggernaut. That's why I quoted her.
  • wwwdotcr
    wwwdotcr Posts: 128 Member
    Funny to see a newbie talked about "noobs". Talk to me when you under 20% BF at the minimum. Or when you sustained your weight loss for over 6 months.

    Great job logging, BTW.

    Its called using a notebook and inputting at the end of the day:

    12 OZ chicken (or nutritional equiv)
    2 Packs of Steamers
    2 TBL of Mayo / Siracha
    80 pieces of almonds each day

    Total = 1600 calories + PWO.

    Then again I must be doing something wrong:

    http://i.imgur.com/XKKY7mk.jpg

    Please stop trolling people who need help with this bad advice thread.
  • minijuggernaut
    minijuggernaut Posts: 98 Member
    If you hate the forums so much, why do you use them?

    To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone.

    I was replying to minijuggernaut. That's why I quoted her.

    I don't hate them at all, I think they're great. Not sure where I mentioned hating them.

    ETA: If you're referring to my comment about "long boring threads" etc, I think we can all agree that the clean eating vs. dirty eating debates are tiresome.
  • shadow2soul
    shadow2soul Posts: 7,692 Member
    Sounds yummy.

    I went to sonic yesterday and had :

    Supersonic Bacon Double Cheeseburger
    Turtle Molten Cake Sundae

    Sure it was all I had to eat for the day (over daily goal, but under in terms of weekly goal), but it was great. I think it's fine to do things like this once in awhile. As long is it's not every meal, your health should be fine.
  • poohpoohpeapod
    poohpoohpeapod Posts: 776 Member
    yea feed your body crap with no nutrients. great idea!
  • iamkass
    iamkass Posts: 122 Member
    Funny to see a newbie talked about "noobs". Talk to me when you under 20% BF at the minimum. Or when you sustained your weight loss for over 6 months.

    Great job logging, BTW.

    Its called using a notebook and inputting at the end of the day:

    12 OZ chicken (or nutritional equiv)
    2 Packs of Steamers
    2 TBL of Mayo / Siracha
    80 pieces of almonds each day

    Total = 1600 calories + PWO.

    Then again I must be doing something wrong:

    http://i.imgur.com/XKKY7mk.jpg

    Please stop trolling people who need help with this bad advice thread.

    I don't think it's trolling, and I don't think it's bad advice. All he is saying is that you don't need to eat clean to lose weight. Yes, it's a topic that is repeated over and over again. But if you think he is trolling, you don't know what that word means. And if you think it's bad advice, well to each their own.

    As he said in his misplaced reply to me: "To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone". That there is incredibly good advice.
  • iamkass
    iamkass Posts: 122 Member
    If you hate the forums so much, why do you use them?

    To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone.

    I was replying to minijuggernaut. That's why I quoted her.

    I don't hate them at all, I think they're great. Not sure where I mentioned hating them.

    ETA: If you're referring to my comment about "long boring threads" etc, I think we can all agree that the clean eating vs. dirty eating debates are tiresome.

    You just seemed super hostile to my very harmless post. But I totally agree with you.. those debates kill me.
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    what about nutrition?

    I just eat the ice cream for breakfast and get my nutrition for the rest of the day.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    I was replying to minijuggernaut. That's why I quoted her.

    I apologize. I'm all defensive. :-)
  • andthenwhatjen
    andthenwhatjen Posts: 30 Member
    Although it is good to eat in moderation, in order to become a healthier being, some foods are better for you than others. Many foods, such as baby carrots, have fat more vitamins and other good nutrients than ice cream, pizza, and burgers do - weight loss and becoming healthy isn't only about calories.

    Blah blah.. blah ice cream... blah. :)
  • minijuggernaut
    minijuggernaut Posts: 98 Member
    If you hate the forums so much, why do you use them?

    To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone.

    I was replying to minijuggernaut. That's why I quoted her.

    I don't hate them at all, I think they're great. Not sure where I mentioned hating them.

    ETA: If you're referring to my comment about "long boring threads" etc, I think we can all agree that the clean eating vs. dirty eating debates are tiresome.

    You just seemed super hostile to my very harmless post. But I totally agree with you.. those debates kill me.

    I just re-read my post and can definitely see how it came off that way. I was actually agreeing with you, lol. I apologize, the magic of the internet did not convey my comment how it sounded in my head.
  • wwwdotcr
    wwwdotcr Posts: 128 Member
    No his premise is he can eat pizza / ice cream every day and its no different then eating healthy. Or this gem of post saying high cholesterol is not bad for you as long as you lose weight. (If thats not trolling I dunno what is).

    I already stated I eat 3000 / 2500 calories Fri / Saturday scarfing all kinds of high carb junk food. Then again there's a scientific reasoning behind it (CKD keto to refill muscle glycogen + boost leptin levels).

    Eating junk food all the time and losing weight is bad advice. No one is gonna dispute eating one ice cream / cheating one a while is gonna screw up your diet (well for Keto it does, but not your standard caloric deficit diet)

    I challenge someone to eat 30 days of caloric deficit in only fast food and get a blood test. A dieters version of Super size Me.


    Funny to see a newbie talked about "noobs". Talk to me when you under 20% BF at the minimum. Or when you sustained your weight loss for over 6 months.

    Great job logging, BTW.

    Its called using a notebook and inputting at the end of the day:

    12 OZ chicken (or nutritional equiv)
    2 Packs of Steamers
    2 TBL of Mayo / Siracha
    80 pieces of almonds each day

    Total = 1600 calories + PWO.

    Then again I must be doing something wrong:

    http://i.imgur.com/XKKY7mk.jpg

    Please stop trolling people who need help with this bad advice thread.

    I don't think it's trolling, and I don't think it's bad advice. All he is saying is that you don't need to eat clean to lose weight. Yes, it's a topic that is repeated over and over again. But if you think he is trolling, you don't know what that word means. And if you think it's bad advice, well to each their own.

    As he said in his misplaced reply to me: "To help people not fall off the wagon because they ate an ice cream cone". That there is incredibly good advice.
  • brdnw
    brdnw Posts: 565 Member
    ...or this is why you're down 11 pounds and not down 13.


    you look at it as "victory i didn't gain weight"

    i look at it as lost progress.
  • toddlikesdesign
    toddlikesdesign Posts: 51
    Its called using a notebook and inputting at the end of the day:

    It's called not being consistent with logging. You have several 2 and 3 day gaps. Not saying you're doing it wrong, you're just not logging consistently.

    Ketogenic diets are bad advice for undisciplined people. However, I agree with Gary Taubes. Why We Get Fat is a great, informative, simple read.
  • marvybells
    marvybells Posts: 1,984 Member
    i always thought this as well. IIFYM, eat whatever you want as long as you stay under cals, etc etc......i would often eat ice cream or pizza upon occasion, but never every day.

    well, while i was on vacation last week, i did tons of walking, some biking & swimming as well. I tracked it all with my fitbit & HRM. I ate ice cream every single day, and had pizza almost every day. brought my food scale to use when i could & did my best to estimate cals accurately when logging. I managed to stay under cals almost every day, and as an average for the week i am definitely under my cal goal. i was really hoping to discover that i could maintain on such a diet.....

    yet this week i have noticed a significant amount of tummy pudge. i am getting back the muffin top i worked so hard to get rid...so disappointed. i will have to go back to only occasional pizza & ice cream

    In summary, you ate more calories than your TDEE and gained weight.

    could be. i'm no novice to logging & counting cals. i get it. and i do a good job normally. when i eat at home i have a scale & i am the one preparing the foods so i know what is in it. i always track my exercise with my hrm...

    initially i thought that maybe the prob is the fitbit could be overestimating calorie burn for me. yet i was lugging my my cousins 31 lbs kid around a lot of the time & the fitbit was not taking that into account so i imagine it was not too high. I used the hrm for biking, but not treading water in the ocean. perhaps the cal burn for that was off the mark???

    I ate kohr bros light custard. i tried to estimate the actual servings vs the serving size on the website which is only 1/2 a cup. there is no way they were only 1/2 a cup, i figure that the cones must have been 2-3 times that. i logged as such....perhaps the pizza "average Sicilian" slice in the database was way off the mark. i looked up the pizza place but they did not have nutritional info available

    in any case, if the issue is me not knowing how many cals i am really consuming then it is still a problem for me & i can't eat it every day. that's ok, i can live with once or twice a week.

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