The men who made us fat

I thought this was going to be about unsupportive or abusive husbands that kept us barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Me, too. Thought I was going to get to go and beat up my first husband or something. :grumble:

Same here. :laugh:
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Pmsl ... Im sure there's a lot to say about that one too ... But unless they've force fed any of you against your will (in which case they should be imprisoned anyway) one can hardly put the blame for excess flab on them (it's too easy and doesn't get us (women) anywhere! x

I guess we forgot to turn the <sarcasm mode> on.

I'm beginning to change my mind about these conspiracies. I am very much anti-business and government from the aspect that there is something to the fact that they lie and use ingredients that are not necessarily healthful for human consumption. Whether that is fact or not, I don't know. But there seems to be research that suggests that HFCS, in general, is not healthful for humans.

But, my point is, with all the information that is available now, there doesn't seem to be as big a blame as there used to be. And, there are enough alternative products available. You can very easily never eat HFCS again for the rest of your life. Very easily. So, to blame the government, corporations, and anyone but yourself doesn't fly. Is it an evil empire? yes, I believe it is. But, does it matter? Not really.

OP:
How's about no...

I will be damned if I am going to blame any poor decision that I have made on anybody else. Also, sugar is not evil and don't talk bad about bacon. Geez.

Summary: individual responsibility is not the opposite of smart social policy. The two work well together.

Just baffling


Point: it isn't about blame when we look at entire populations as systems. The concept of responsibility on an individual level doesn't address what to do about creating a sustainable human existence for the community at large.


Counterpoint: you have no one to blame but yourself for being fat.


Don't you guys get it? Personal responsibility is not the opposite of rational systems on the community level. They aren't at odds because its like arguing Newtonian concepts of gravity in terms of quantum physics. They only contradict each other if you suffer from failure of imagination or a really bad case of rationalism.


I took responsibility for my condition. But I'm also all about evidence so I don't ignore everything that doesn't fit my notions.

If I know how to read (which I'm ALMOST positive that I do) I'm taking a stab in the dark here that the OP's original post didn't say that sugar MADE her or anyone else fat. I THINK she may have been simply stating that she was unaware just how much sugar is in EVERYTHING. But again... what do I know... maybe I should join in the fun and jump to conclusions because it's amusing everyone else.

Yeah, thank you.


Also, let me add to the mix (just for fun lol) that the same people in the US who are supposed to make sure that the food is of sufficient quality are also in charge of the drugs that they get rich off of when people get sick from inferior food......the Food and Drug Administration. Now who's bright idea was THAT???

So, yes there really is hidden sugar, fat, and salt in unexpected places. We are not absolved of our responsibility and need to educate ourselves and pay attention and take care of ourselves because they do this, but it is wrong....and it's not an accident.

Please explain to me how the FDA, which is a government agency wholly funded by the Federal Government, gets rich when people get sick? It's not like the FDA gets a cut of the profits from Pharmaceutical manufacturers. In fact, there are laws which specifically prohibit that!

In America it is almost near impossible to avoid corn by products in foods, from corn starch, corn syrup, corn meal, its not health, the most recent thing I found it in and know it was not in it prior (at least not on the label) is tea bags, Lipton especially now lists modified corn starch on its label as an ingredient in its tea, why? there should be nothing but tea.

@ pcastagner: Can't even follow what you're sayain dawg. You be trippin mayne, trippin' all da time mayne.

Start here: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/philosophical-battles-empiricism-versus-rationalis.html


Don't you ever wonder if it's possible a is not always a? If maybe you will never get at truth if you have to frame everything as a choice between two opposites?

Have you ever wondered if the strong have an obligation to care for the weak?


I get so sick of hearing those who "make it" bask in the glory of their agency, while chalking up those who fail as inherently, rather than circumstantially inferior. Also sick of those with resources, be it willpower or material, tell those without to simply make use of that which they do not have. It's a supreme failure to understand the human condition beyond the context of ones own experience.


Am I tripping? No.

In America it is almost near impossible to avoid corn by products in foods, from corn starch, corn syrup, corn meal, its not health, the most recent thing I found it in and know it was not in it prior (at least not on the label) is tea bags, Lipton especially now lists modified corn starch on its label as an ingredient in its tea, why? there should be nothing but tea.

1) Why worry about avoiding corn? It's not dangerous or unhealthy in any way unless the individual has an allergy.

2) Some flavored teas here in the U.S. contain maltodextrin (a corn product) which is used as a flavor base for those added flavors. If you drink regular tea then you won't have this issue, but then again, read the labels.

3) As long as the food is labeled as containing corn products, and of course labeled to reveal the other ingredients as well, then the consumer can read and determine whether to purchase the product or not. Quite contrary to the constant, repetitive and absurd statements made in this thread, the choice is not between regulation and no regulation, as regulation is a fact even in the U.S. By law, food companies must label their food properly thereby providing the consumer with the information necessary to make an informed decision. The sad fact is though that so many people simply choose to ignore this information and seriously overeat and consume too much anyway. This, in turn, affects us all in terms of the costs for medical care (another highly regulated area of the U.S. economy) and lost productivity.

4) I personally read ingredient labels, so the only foods that I eat at home with any added sugars are those that are designed to be sweet such as Pop Tarts, donuts, and ice cream. It's pretty easy to avoid if one bothers to spend a minute reading.

I'm bored with you pcastagner - please GO AWAY!!!!

Oi.. behave! My post, my thread. If you can not handle an open exchange, you're free to vent off somewhere else. Anybody who has anything (and I mean anything) to contribute is most welcome what i'm concerned. The choice is yours!