The men who made us fat
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Nothing like absolving yourself of personal responsibility!
This.
I was just thinking "um, no, WE made ourselves 'fat'?"...0 -
I actually made myself fat.. One donut at a time :laugh:..0
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I think people got way off on a tangent.
The OP asked what foods were your surprised that they had added sugar.
So far, here in Australia, sugar isn't added to everything and it isn't promoted as a health food.
I was comparing labels on bread for the US and here and was surprised sugar is added to plain white bread in the USA.
Yes people, usually Americans raised on Ayn Rand, will go on and on about personal responsibility. The world is black and white, and terms are always absolute and determined before the conversation started. Other cultures are strange and arbitrary, ours is rational.
Because, you know, taking high fructose corn syrup off the GRAS list would be COMMUNISM
I think you'll find a totallitarian body imposing rules on the free market is fascism.
Every individual making the same decision to not buy products with corn syrup to bring the capitalists down is communism.0 -
Im more pissed off at my ex who used to bring me takeaway food home to eat together, while he happily maintained him his weight, telling me its ok love, we will be together forever - more to love. So now 6 stone heavier and he is with some *kitten* and Im battling weight loss. As the lady said in an earlier post, gonna get gorgeous and show the *kitten*.
Anyway thanks for letting me get that off my chest lol.
And sugar, yeah too much in foods
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I think people got way off on a tangent.
The OP asked what foods were your surprised that they had added sugar.
So far, here in Australia, sugar isn't added to everything and it isn't promoted as a health food.
I was comparing labels on bread for the US and here and was surprised sugar is added to plain white bread in the USA.
Yes people, usually Americans raised on Ayn Rand, will go on and on about personal responsibility. The world is black and white, and terms are always absolute and determined before the conversation started. Other cultures are strange and arbitrary, ours is rational.
Because, you know, taking high fructose corn syrup off the GRAS list would be COMMUNISM
I think you'll find a totallitarian body imposing rules on the free market is fascism.
Every individual making the same decision to not buy products with corn syrup to bring the capitalists down is communism.
Right. But what about when a democratic body imposes rules on the free market. What do you call that? America.
Why do you hate America?
Huzzah for straw man logic!
One more. What do you call it when agricultural subsidies are shifted away from corn syrup towards products that tend to create fewer problems on a systemic scale?
Keep yer guvmint hands off my freedom to choose from a set of pre-determined options!
You don't live in an unregulated market place, sorry to burst your bubble. That exists nowhere. This debate is about where we invest our intervention dollars, not whether or not we live in a fantasy novel for adolescents.0 -
Nothing like absolving yourself of personal responsibility!
This.
I was just thinking "um, no, WE made ourselves 'fat'?"...
I take it you also missed the fact that it's the title of the program the OP was watching, not to mention that several people have mentioned that already, and it was rather obvious in the first place. Not that the sentiment is untrue, we should all know what's going into our bodies - however it's not as black and white as this, companies lie about what's in their food (there's been far to many scandals in the UK here, including the afore mentioned horsemeat scandal), so if companies are lying to us about what's in our food how are we supposed to know? Not everyone can afford to eat clean also - that's a big problem here. Both the individual and the food manufacturers are at fault when it comes to bad health.
I don't know about anywhere else but the lack of nutritional education and decent physical education in England is horrendous.0 -
I think people got way off on a tangent.
The OP asked what foods were your surprised that they had added sugar.
So far, here in Australia, sugar isn't added to everything and it isn't promoted as a health food.
I was comparing labels on bread for the US and here and was surprised sugar is added to plain white bread in the USA.
Yes people, usually Americans raised on Ayn Rand, will go on and on about personal responsibility. The world is black and white, and terms are always absolute and determined before the conversation started. Other cultures are strange and arbitrary, ours is rational.
Because, you know, taking high fructose corn syrup off the GRAS list would be COMMUNISM
I think you'll find a totallitarian body imposing rules on the free market is fascism.
Every individual making the same decision to not buy products with corn syrup to bring the capitalists down is communism.
Right. But what about when a democratic body imposes rules on the free market. What do you call that? America.
Why do you hate America?
Huzzah for straw man logic!
One more. What do you call it when agricultural subsidies are shifted away from corn syrup towards products that tend to create fewer problems on a systemic scale?
It's interesting how you read my statement...by ineresting I mean sensationalist and reactionary. Not to mention the presumptions you make about my personal opinions.
You have also failed to contradict my statement.
Also, why is America your only reference as a democratic body? It makes you come across narrow minded and naive.
What systemic scale would that be?0 -
Im more pissed off at my ex who used to bring me takeaway food home to eat together, while he happily maintained him his weight, telling me its ok love, we will be together forever - more to love. So now 6 stone heavier and he is with some *kitten* and Im battling weight loss. As the lady said in an earlier post, gonna get gorgeous and show the *kitten*.
Anyway thanks for letting me get that off my chest lol.
And sugar, yeah too much in foods
I hear ya ... and you're welcome and for the future (and the new you) stay clear of guys who bring you junk food! Lol x 0 -
Nothing like absolving yourself of personal responsibility!
This.
I was just thinking "um, no, WE made ourselves 'fat'?"...
I take it you also missed the fact that it's the title of the program the OP was watching, not to mention that several people have mentioned that already, and it was rather obvious in the first place. Not that the sentiment is untrue, we should all know what's going into our bodies - however it's not as black and white as this, companies lie about what's in their food (there's been far to many scandals in the UK here, including the afore mentioned horsemeat scandal), so if companies are lying to us about what's in our food how are we supposed to know? Not everyone can afford to eat clean also - that's a big problem here. Both the individual and the food manufacturers are at fault when it comes to bad health.
I don't know about anywhere else but the lack of nutritional education and decent physical education in England is horrendous.
Wait, even people who make profits should be prevented from engaging in coercion through deception? That sounds like REGULATION. Which is fascism. Or socialism. Or something like that. All I know is, I believe in freedom and other people obviously don't understand what I'm saying because they aren't as übermenschy as I am.0 -
I can do better than that, just stay away from guys!!0
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BRING ON THE COMMUNISM0
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I check food labels. All. The. Time.
These days you can't even buy raw chicken breast without reading the list of ingredients. Some of them are injected with rubbish to make them more plump/ pink etc. It's really quite revolting.
The key for us has been about making informed and concious food choices. We know that diet Coke isn't great for anything really but we have one day a week where we buy 1.5 liters and having with our evening meal. Then we're done. We eat organic when we can and make as much stuff at home as humanly possible.
My husband has always been really supportive and has actually been showing initiative when it comes to making healthy food. It has been good for both of us.
I became fat because I stopped working out, started play a NE Druid and started eating garbage. I still play a NE druid but everything else has changed
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I think people got way off on a tangent.
The OP asked what foods were your surprised that they had added sugar.
So far, here in Australia, sugar isn't added to everything and it isn't promoted as a health food.
I was comparing labels on bread for the US and here and was surprised sugar is added to plain white bread in the USA.
Yes people, usually Americans raised on Ayn Rand, will go on and on about personal responsibility. The world is black and white, and terms are always absolute and determined before the conversation started. Other cultures are strange and arbitrary, ours is rational.
Because, you know, taking high fructose corn syrup off the GRAS list would be COMMUNISM
I think you'll find a totallitarian body imposing rules on the free market is fascism.
Every individual making the same decision to not buy products with corn syrup to bring the capitalists down is communism.
Right. But what about when a democratic body imposes rules on the free market. What do you call that? America.
Why do you hate America?
Huzzah for straw man logic!
One more. What do you call it when agricultural subsidies are shifted away from corn syrup towards products that tend to create fewer problems on a systemic scale?
It's interesting how you read my statement...by ineresting I mean sensationalist and reactionary. Not to mention the presumptions you make about my personal opinions.
You have also failed to contradict my statement.
Also, why is America your only reference as a democratic body? It makes you come across narrow minded and naive.
What systemic scale would that be?
Ok you got me. What was your point and what are your views? Forgive me for assuming you meant to disagree with me. It's hard to argue when this outnumbered without glossing over some of the special snowflakeness of each individual.
And no, your definition of fascism is not correct by virtue of not being definitive.
Nor is your description of communism, which is a political system.
I used the terms to invoke a certain flavor.
As for nationalities, I have two. One is indeed American. But I haven't spent much time there lately.0 -
men want to make us fat so we will not leave them,
get thin.
leave the buggers.0 -
And Kuhn says the truth isn't the truth, hell yeah! but you accused me of Stalinism when I tried to gently put this view across! So are you tripping?@ pcastagner: Can't even follow what you're sayain dawg. You be trippin mayne, trippin' all da time mayne.
Start here: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/philosophical-battles-empiricism-versus-rationalis.html
Don't you ever wonder if it's possible a is not always a? If maybe you will never get at truth if you have to frame everything as a choice between two opposites?
Have you ever wondered if the strong have an obligation to care for the weak?
I get so sick of hearing those who "make it" bask in the glory of their agency, while chalking up those who fail as inherently, rather than circumstantially inferior. Also sick of those with resources, be it willpower or material, tell those without to simply make use of that which they do not have. It's a supreme failure to understand the human condition beyond the context of ones own experience.
Am I tripping? No.0 -
Hello from Germany.Socialist! Hitler was a vegetarian!0 -
men want to make us fat so we will not leave them,
get thin.
leave the buggers.
Amen to that lol0 -
Finally! Someone to blame!0
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men want to make us fat so we will not leave them,
get thin.
leave the buggers.
I feel like Im not getting the point of the true meaning of the post but I am.... but yeah your comment about men is so true. I was slim and firm and now Im an elephant to anyone who wants to help me on my mission, ADD ME!! XXX Its all in a good cause 0 -
And Kuhn says the truth isn't the truth, hell yeah! but you accused me of Stalinism when I tried to gently put this view across! So are you tripping?@ pcastagner: Can't even follow what you're sayain dawg. You be trippin mayne, trippin' all da time mayne.
Start here: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/philosophical-battles-empiricism-versus-rationalis.html
Don't you ever wonder if it's possible a is not always a? If maybe you will never get at truth if you have to frame everything as a choice between two opposites?
Have you ever wondered if the strong have an obligation to care for the weak?
I get so sick of hearing those who "make it" bask in the glory of their agency, while chalking up those who fail as inherently, rather than circumstantially inferior. Also sick of those with resources, be it willpower or material, tell those without to simply make use of that which they do not have. It's a supreme failure to understand the human condition beyond the context of ones own experience.
Am I tripping? No.
No, I was being facetious. An attempt at humor, sorry.
Often someone with a perfectly reasonable point of view will be accused of being a communist, socialist, Stalinist, when it clearly isn't the case at all. You see this a lot, it's pretty laughable, and I meant to evoke the irony involved in such demagoguery.0 -
so much communism0
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Hello from Germany.Socialist! Hitler was a vegetarian!
Hello!
On my way to Germany in a few weeks, trying to get a job there.
Please read the whole thread. I am being facetious and I believe in a reasonable balance between collective and individual welfare rather than an all or nothing proposition and dramatic name calling.0 -
Hello from Germany.Socialist! Hitler was a vegetarian!
Hello!
On my way to Germany in a few weeks, trying to get a job there.
Please read the whole thread. I am being facetious and I believe in a reasonable balance between collective and individual welfare rather than an all or nothing proposition and dramatic name calling.
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Nothing like absolving yourself of personal responsibility!
This.
I was just thinking "um, no, WE made ourselves 'fat'?"...
I take it you also missed the fact that it's the title of the program the OP was watching, not to mention that several people have mentioned that already, and it was rather obvious in the first place. Not that the sentiment is untrue, we should all know what's going into our bodies - however it's not as black and white as this, companies lie about what's in their food (there's been far to many scandals in the UK here, including the afore mentioned horsemeat scandal), so if companies are lying to us about what's in our food how are we supposed to know? Not everyone can afford to eat clean also - that's a big problem here. Both the individual and the food manufacturers are at fault when it comes to bad health.
I don't know about anywhere else but the lack of nutritional education and decent physical education in England is horrendous.
Wait, even people who make profits should be prevented from engaging in coercion through deception? That sounds like REGULATION. Which is fascism. Or socialism. Or something like that. All I know is, I believe in freedom and other people obviously don't understand what I'm saying because they aren't as übermenschy as I am.
It's only the truly stupid who, when they fail to get their point across, blame the reader and not themselves.
My personal opinion (which I have not given yet, despite your assumptions) is that education is a good place to start. But, that education should be the responsibilty of the parents/guardians and the state equally.
Corn syrup is a product. It cannot make you fat. It has 4 calories per gram like every other carbohydrate. People become fat because they eat more calories than they expend.
The correlation in studies is that overweight/obese people eat more corn syrup. This is not causation. If protein was as cheap to purchase as corn syrup this conversation would be about how protein makes us fat.
I agree that there should be better regulation of accurate labelling of products so the individual can make accurate choices about what they're eating. But to regulate/ban a certain product and say it makes us fat is erroneous and pointless. Within a year there would be another scapegoat product to blame.0 -
Just watching a fascinating 3part documentary about the Foodindustry on UK television (BBC2).
Part 1 about the US and the introduction of Cornsyrup and the wide range foods it's added to. Very good and highly informative. Watch it if you can.
It's terrifying how the US industry totally ignores the impact Sugar (in various forms and artificial Sweeteners) has on the increase in Obesity.
Who on here really checks all the food labels?
What has been winding me up for years is when I discovered that most of the available varieties of smoked Salmon (which i love and eat a lot of) have got sugar added to it! Why on earth? Totally unnecessary for the flavour. The same with Bacon! Good news is there are some without added sugar or any other form of sweetener.
Which are the foods you've discovered have sugars added to it and surprised you the most?
Quote from the head of uk weight watchers - "fat people are very stupid"0 -
I'm not sure making food corporations let people knowing what is in food, and yes imposing some rules to ensure the food does us no harm, is communism or fascism, I think it's health ism. They are accountable to the consumer, as I said in the Uk earlier this year, lots of big manufacturers were labelling Hungarian horse meat as beef! Most people would have liked to trust the manufacturers , but unless the consumer acts, the profits won't be affected, and there is no need to change things. I am not sure why people feel this is communism,,it's social responsibility?I think people got way off on a tangent.
The OP asked what foods were your surprised that they had added sugar.
So far, here in Australia, sugar isn't added to everything and it isn't promoted as a health food.
I was comparing labels on bread for the US and here and was surprised sugar is added to plain white bread in the USA.
Yes people, usually Americans raised on Ayn Rand, will go on and on about personal responsibility. The world is black and white, and terms are always absolute and determined before the conversation started. Other cultures are strange and arbitrary, ours is rational.
Because, you know, taking high fructose corn syrup off the GRAS list would be COMMUNISM
I think you'll find a totallitarian body imposing rules on the free market is fascism.
Every individual making the same decision to not buy products with corn syrup to bring the capitalists down is communism.0 -
Hello from Germany.Socialist! Hitler was a vegetarian!
Hello!
On my way to Germany in a few weeks, trying to get a job there.
Please read the whole thread. I am being facetious and I believe in a reasonable balance between collective and individual welfare rather than an all or nothing proposition and dramatic name calling.
Just saying the OP (me) is actually German too lol so Hello to both
Am all in favour of a balance between collective and individual welfare. And while we are all responsible for our own choices, we can not ignore the effect they have on the collective and vice versa. As a collective we are also responsible for the individual. So my point is to not lose sight of either
Its taken me 2 hours to read through every single post and all I can say is I am baffled by the dynamic the thread has taken on. Fascinating! keep them coming! 0 -
Hello from Germany.Socialist! Hitler was a vegetarian!
Hello!
On my way to Germany in a few weeks, trying to get a job there.
Please read the whole thread. I am being facetious and I believe in a reasonable balance between collective and individual welfare rather than an all or nothing proposition and dramatic name calling.
Lol0 -
lighten up a bit guys xxxx0
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Hello from Germany.Socialist! Hitler was a vegetarian!
Hello!
On my way to Germany in a few weeks, trying to get a job there.
Please read the whole thread. I am being facetious and I believe in a reasonable balance between collective and individual welfare rather than an all or nothing proposition and dramatic name calling.
Just saying the OP (me) is actually German too lol so Hello to both
Am all in favour of a balance between collective and individual welfare. And while we are all responsible for our own choices, we can not ignore the effect they have on the collective and vice versa. As a collective we are also responsible for the individual. So my point is to not lose sight of either
Its taken me 2 hours to read through every single post and all I can say is I am baffled by the dynamic the thread has taken on. Fascinating! keep them coming!
You have no idea what a relief it is to encounter an OP who opens a debate and enjoys it, rather than opening a debate and then reporting everyone that disagrees with them. 0
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