contract marriage?

supertracylynn
supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
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If you found yourself in an unfortunate situation, would you contract marry someone?

For example, you have a health problem and a friend of yours has fantastic insurance (that also treats old/standing issues). Would you marry them for their insurance if you two agreed - living separate lives as friends only?

Meaning: you can file taxes together, live in different states, no sex between you two, be in a committed relationship with someone else, vacation separately, workout together, etc. Basically, you'd be completely platonic, but legally married.
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  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
    No.


    NO.


    NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    1. marriage is.........not that
    2. that's insurance fraud
    3. I'm only getting married once.
    4. Divorce is more expensive than dental work.
  • mrmarius
    mrmarius Posts: 1,802 Member
    it would have to be an extremely desperate situation for me to do so. i just cant see it honestly but no judgement on my part. i guess marriage means a little more to me than just a contract even though i could see practical reasons in doing so just doesnt appeal to me.
  • Timshel_
    Timshel_ Posts: 22,834 Member
    No.
  • BluejayNY
    BluejayNY Posts: 301 Member
    Not to enter into one....That just goes against my beliefs in marriage,

    I can see staying in a marriage you are already in for a period of time as separated for reasons like figuring out finances and insurance. DIvorce can be quite complicated and expensive.
  • Jennisin1
    Jennisin1 Posts: 574 Member
    If it is that or die.. yes.. otherwise... no
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  • IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym
    IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym Posts: 5,573 Member
    no, not at all.
  • SoViLicious
    SoViLicious Posts: 2,633 Member
    My husband and I have a contract. He does not say no an I always say yes. Oh an he always buys me wine
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    ... he always buys me wine

    THIS is the key to a good relationship, no matter what that relationship is specified as!
  • Jersey_Devil
    Jersey_Devil Posts: 4,142 Member
    no chance at all a government agency is reading this right now.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Basically, would you enter into a written contract to commit fraud? No. Can't say that I would.
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    I'm failing to see how this is much different than people who marry because they got pregnant.

    Or stay together because they "can't afford to divorce".

    Or people who fight constantly and hate each other but "don't want to divorce".

    Or people who marry, but choose to live in separete cities/states/countries because of a job or schooling.

    Or couples who are "actively" married but don't have sex.

    Or a couple that's been together for many many years without the legally binding part... then choose to get married when one of them develops, for example, cancer, because they need the marriage blessing for insurance purposes.

    The main difference, as far as I can tell, is a well thought out agreement and how to handle various situations, which most people don't think about when they decide to tie the knot.
    For that fact of the matter, what is the difference between a good contract marriage and a solid pre-nup?
  • Jersey_Devil
    Jersey_Devil Posts: 4,142 Member
    doesnt matter what you think of it (or what i or anyone else thinks of it)... the government considers it fraud.
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    Would it be considered fraud if the marriage was consumated?
    Or if they lived together for a period of time, then chose to live in different cities because of the job market?


    All of this is hypothetical, I'm simply curious on what people think.

    What is the difference between a "contract marriage" and a "solid pre-nup".
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
    Do you understand the difference between buying an Ipod because you want it, then changing your mind and returning it and Stealing an Ipod?
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    Do you understand the difference between buying an Ipod because you want it, then changing your mind and returning it and Stealing an Ipod?

    This is what I read:

    Do you understand the difference between getting married because you loved them, then changing your mind and divorcing them; and getting married in a well-planned way without the option to divorce?

    (this doesn't make sense because you can't return something stolen, but you can still divorce or get an annulment with a pre-nup/contract marriage)
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Do you understand the difference between buying an Ipod because you want it, then changing your mind and returning it and Stealing an Ipod?

    NO!

    :tongue:
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    No, but only because I would be worried that they would run up a bunch of debts that I'd be responsible for paying.
  • SpeSHul_SnoflEHk
    SpeSHul_SnoflEHk Posts: 6,256 Member
    I knew a couple who did this back in the 90s. They were a gay and lesbian couple, and they married in order to reduce tax burden, share on insurance costs, and get better financial aid. They lived in the same house, but he saw other guys, and she saw other ladies. It worked for them. I thought it was fraud, but they were legally married, so it apparently wasn't.
  • calibriintx
    calibriintx Posts: 1,741 Member
    I'm failing to see how this is much different than people who marry because they got pregnant.

    Or stay together because they "can't afford to divorce".

    Or people who fight constantly and hate each other but "don't want to divorce".

    Or people who marry, but choose to live in separete cities/states/countries because of a job or schooling.

    Or couples who are "actively" married but don't have sex.

    Or a couple that's been together for many many years without the legally binding part... then choose to get married when one of them develops, for example, cancer, because they need the marriage blessing for insurance purposes.

    The main difference, as far as I can tell, is a well thought out agreement and how to handle various situations, which most people don't think about when they decide to tie the knot.
    For that fact of the matter, what is the difference between a good contract marriage and a solid pre-nup?

    Those don't seem like very good comparisons. Seems more comparable to a green card marriage, IMO. What do you think of those, OP?
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    :huh: nope. nope. and nope.
  • glovepuppet
    glovepuppet Posts: 1,710 Member
    unless his insurance stipulates that his spouse must be boinked by him and in love with him, how is it fraud? lots of couples drift into just good friends anyway, and nobody calls that fraud.
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
    Do you understand the difference between buying an Ipod because you want it, then changing your mind and returning it and Stealing an Ipod?

    This is what I read:

    Do you understand the difference between getting married because you loved them, then changing your mind and divorcing them; and getting married in a well-planned way?

    (because you can't return something stolen, but you can still divorce or get an annulment with a pre-nup/contract marriage)

    Then you should work on your reading skills as well as general life skills is theft and "getting married in a well-planned way" are synonymous.

    Pre-Nup/"Contract Marriage" are not synonyms. Pre nup is contract that is put in place should the marriage not work out how the assets will be divided, typically to protect a party with substantial financial interests.

    THE BOTTOM LINE: The question comes down to your intent when getting married. Did you really intend on getting married to this person, or was it the sole purpose of receiving a benefit (insurance, social securitiy, citizenship, etc.) and you have no intention of being married to this person. That burden would be on the govt to prove what your intent was.

    The more I think about it, i think I may of taken the bait from a subtle and devious troll
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
    I'm failing to see how this is much different than people who marry because they got pregnant.

    Or stay together because they "can't afford to divorce".

    Or people who fight constantly and hate each other but "don't want to divorce".

    Or people who marry, but choose to live in separete cities/states/countries because of a job or schooling.

    Or couples who are "actively" married but don't have sex.

    Or a couple that's been together for many many years without the legally binding part... then choose to get married when one of them develops, for example, cancer, because they need the marriage blessing for insurance purposes.

    The main difference, as far as I can tell, is a well thought out agreement and how to handle various situations, which most people don't think about when they decide to tie the knot.
    For that fact of the matter, what is the difference between a good contract marriage and a solid pre-nup?

    Those don't seem like very good comparisons. Seems more comparable to a green card marriage, IMO. What do you think of those, OP?

    Which BTW carries a penalty of up to 5 years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    I'm failing to see how this is much different than people who marry because they got pregnant.

    Or stay together because they "can't afford to divorce".

    Or people who fight constantly and hate each other but "don't want to divorce".

    Or people who marry, but choose to live in separete cities/states/countries because of a job or schooling.

    Or couples who are "actively" married but don't have sex.

    Or a couple that's been together for many many years without the legally binding part... then choose to get married when one of them develops, for example, cancer, because they need the marriage blessing for insurance purposes.

    The main difference, as far as I can tell, is a well thought out agreement and how to handle various situations, which most people don't think about when they decide to tie the knot.
    For that fact of the matter, what is the difference between a good contract marriage and a solid pre-nup?

    Those don't seem like very good comparisons. Seems more comparable to a green card marriage, IMO. What do you think of those, OP?

    I do not have a problem with green card marriages so long as they actually act married and care for each other, and aren't random to each other - I agree with them more than getting married "just because we're pregnant".

    Or worse, staying together "for the children". THAT should carry a fine and a jail sentence.
  • Hexahedra
    Hexahedra Posts: 894 Member
    If you get married for the sole purpose of deriving some sort of benefit rather than for love, then it's a sham marriage. If for some reason they (the government) scrutinize you, you won't come out unscathed.
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    nevermind.
  • LauraBalyk
    LauraBalyk Posts: 219 Member
    No.


    NO.


    NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    1. marriage is.........not that
    2. that's insurance fraud
    3. I'm only getting married once.
    4. Divorce is more expensive than dental work.

    this
  • jboccio90
    jboccio90 Posts: 644 Member
    I'm failing to see how this is much different than people who marry because they got pregnant.

    Or stay together because they "can't afford to divorce".

    Or people who fight constantly and hate each other but "don't want to divorce".

    Or people who marry, but choose to live in separete cities/states/countries because of a job or schooling.

    Or couples who are "actively" married but don't have sex.

    Or a couple that's been together for many many years without the legally binding part... then choose to get married when one of them develops, for example, cancer, because they need the marriage blessing for insurance purposes.

    The main difference, as far as I can tell, is a well thought out agreement and how to handle various situations, which most people don't think about when they decide to tie the knot.
    For that fact of the matter, what is the difference between a good contract marriage and a solid pre-nup?

    Those don't seem like very good comparisons. Seems more comparable to a green card marriage, IMO. What do you think of those, OP?

    I do not have a problem with green card marriages so long as they actually act married and care for each other, and aren't random to each other - I agree with them more than getting married "just because we're pregnant".

    Or worse, staying together "for the children". THAT should carry a fine and a jail sentence.

    I don't care what you do but that last part rubbed me the wrong way.... How dare parents try and put the best interest of their child ahead of their own so they can have a some what stable family home.... seriously.

    You want to scam the insurance companies have at it, but don't try and justify it will judgmental nonsense.
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    Do you understand the difference between buying an Ipod because you want it, then changing your mind and returning it and Stealing an Ipod?

    This is what I read:

    Do you understand the difference between getting married because you loved them, then changing your mind and divorcing them; and getting married in a well-planned way?

    (because you can't return something stolen, but you can still divorce or get an annulment with a pre-nup/contract marriage)

    Then you should work on your reading skills as well as general life skills is theft and "getting married in a well-planned way" are synonymous.

    Pre-Nup/"Contract Marriage" are not synonyms. Pre nup is contract that is put in place should the marriage not work out how the assets will be divided, typically to protect a party with substantial financial interests.

    THE BOTTOM LINE: The question comes down to your intent when getting married. Did you really intend on getting married to this person, or was it the sole purpose of receiving a benefit (insurance, social securitiy, citizenship, etc.) and you have no intention of being married to this person. That burden would be on the govt to prove what your intent was.

    The more I think about it, i think I may of taken the bait from a subtle and devious troll

    "you should work on your reading skills as well as general life skills"
    That is assuming a lot about me, and was rather rude to state. I was simply telling you what I got out of your little analogy, which wasn't very good.

    "Pre-Nup/"Contract Marriage" are not synonyms"
    However, a pre-nup can consist of a "if you, then I" section. As in, "If we don't have sex more than once a week, with the exception of TOM, for 3 consecutive weeks, that is grounds for divorce, and the unsexed party will be the recipient of 3/4 of the assets acquired during the union as a form of apology".
    Likewise, a contract could state something along the lines of "If ir is decided to dissolve the union, each leaves the marriage with exactly what they entered with, and all assets attained during the length of the union will be the sole property of the person who chose to aquire it, including but not limited to debt and real estate."

    "That burden would be on the govt to prove what your intent was"
    Funny how that is what it all boils down to.
    If I walked in to a court house right now and married a random homeless person, no one would question my motive.
    But if I walked in to a court house right now with someone who was wealthy with fantastic insurance and married them, it would be drawn in to question.
    Yet people quickie marry in Vegas while drunk and no one cares

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