Government shutdown

I'm always amazed at how many people can continually vote against their own self interests.

Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!

American w/o a government is still way better.

I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P

i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?

Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"

hopefully you are drinking a nice american micro brew and not that stuff you make up there.

I read a very entertaining article today about how the Australians dealt with the government shutdown they experienced.

God I love Reddit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/01/australia-had-a-government-shutdown-once-it-ended-with-the-queen-firing-everyone-in-parliament/

That was a good article

I thought so too.. :drinker:

I work hard for the very little money I make that is then taxed to hell to support the people I serve in my profession. So it reallllllly makes me mad to see my hard-earned money going to help the 70% of people(that's my own opinionated, biased statistic that is not meant to be taken as completely accurate) who abuse the system.

But what REALLY ****** me off, is that Congress is still getting paid while they decide on something causing hundreds of thousands of other hard workers to not get paid.

Ohh but that's okay "I'll donate whatever earnings I get to charity." Great, so you can just claim that as a tax write-off at the end of the year? **** you congress! WHY are we putting up with this America?!?!?

lol @ made up statistics. How stupid

Smell that?! Nice, clean Canadian Air!

American w/o a government is still way better.

I did not saying Canada was better. I am born and was raised in America but am not going to say America is better also. But seriously "U Mad Bro?" :-P

i did not say you said canada was better. you mad bro?

Why would I be mad. I live in a great country. *Sniff**sigh**Sips on Beer* "Man...this Canadian air is so Beautiful"

hopefully you are drinking a nice american micro brew and not that stuff you make up there.

Nope definitely not American. Anyone who knows their beers knows that Hacker-Pschorr(German Beer) is one of the best. I am a unbiased person who is open to anything. You should give it a try champ. It will open your mind to endless possibilities ;-)

Google's doodle for today says it's the 123rd anniversary of Yosemite National Park. Too bad all the national parks are closed because of this crap.

The real question is, did Google select that doodle today just to be cheeky?
I choose to believe they did.

I saw that too. Sad =/

Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?

Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.

I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.

Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.

Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?

Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.

I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.

Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.

It is definitely by state I can expect to pay $10K a year...not affordable. Remember this is also looking at the low tiered bronze plan with a $5000 deductible and a 40% share of cost.

Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?

Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.

I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.

Well I browsed plans and, while I didn't qualify for assistance, I could easily afford full coverage zero deductible for my entire family if my work did not provide health care. Was less than $10k/year, and the price didn't rise with income (past assistance level). The more I make, the easier it is to afford. Maybe this differs by state.

I'm a bit confused which plan were you looking at that has no deductible and is not affected by income level? As far as I understood it there were 4 tiers to the program but each one progressively cost more?


From Covered California

Eligibility for premium assistance is based on a standard, called the federal poverty level, that looks at family income and the number of people in the family. The size of the premium assistance is based on a sliding scale, with those who make less money getting more financial assistance to reduce the cost of their insurance coverage. Individuals and families who make between 138 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level may be eligible for premium assistance. This means that an individual making up to $45,960 and a family of four earning up to $94,200 may be eligible for premium assistance.

Most people qualify for subsidies when they buy health care on the exchange. Have you checked?

Yup and no...its an unaffordable act for those who have worked very hard to make a decent wage above the 400% cut off.

I would also argue that if you really look at it anyone making about 300% to 200% would also find it expensive.

We currently pay $4,400/year for our health insurance (family of 4). Under the "affordable" care, we will pay $14,000 for similar coverage. I fail to see how this is a good thing. It will mean that we spend less in other areas, so I assume that will impact retail, restaurants, vacations, etc.

Many businesses will also downsize their staff to reduce their expense. Watch for all of the full time people to suddenly be reduced to 29 hours.