ARE CARBS BAD
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If I eliminated all carbs from my diet, OTHERS would die. :devil:
nope too difficult here have some carbs
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fat and protein can be converted to energy, but that is a lot of extra work for the liver
This is a red herring. Lipid and protein metabolism happens largely within the muscle cells. There are by-products that are handled by enzymes within the liver and/or kidneys (no more "extra work" than your lungs absorbing oxygen or your heart moving your blood -- it is their "job"), and are reintegrated into energy production, or excreted from the body if not needed.
To suggest that fat or protein metabolism is somehow toxic or problematic or inferior to carbohydrate metabolism is not correct. If a large excess (beyond the body's energy needs) of any macronutrient is consumed, that can of course stress the system.
Unlike fats and proteins, carbohydrate metabolism can wreak havoc on the blood sugar feedback hormone mechanisms in susceptible people. On the other hand some people can eat whatever they want in moderation and it doesn't matter. Everyone is different. The attitude of many posters that we are all the same and all of our problems can be solved from a common maintenance manual like a car is silly.
Anyone curious about carbohydrate metabolism should read "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes. It is thought-provoking and scientific but written in plain English.
Too bad Why We Get Fat is mostly fiction0 -
I don't think carbs are bad, but I think refined carbs are not conducive to weight loss.
And, I also think lifestyle factors into it.
I lost weight eating tons of carbs (even refined ones) in my 20's when I was working out an hour a day. Fast forward 18 years, 2 kids, a desk job, and some physical issues that prevent me from working out like I used to, and yes, carbs factor into it much more than they used to.
The people I find, on here, who say it matters not tend to be younger, work out a lot, or have more weight to lose.
Take someone with a little age, who is not doing CrossFit or PX90, and who doesn't have a whole lot to lose, and yes, I think it matters more.
Also, I know there is 1200 calorie hatred, but again (for the reasons stated above) there are those who need to eat in that range and carbs don't always factor "into the macros" as easily.
****The above opinion is not based on scientific evidence is derived fully from speculation and personal experience****0 -
Balance
It is all about balance.
CARBS aren't bad. SUGAR isn't bad. FAT isn't bad.
TOO MUCH of ANYTHING is.
Find a balance. Eat at a deficit.
Simple.
BALANCE0 -
If one were capable of completely omitting carbs from their diet, they would die.
This is incorrect. One does not need to consume even a single gram of carbohydrate to survive. The traditional diet of the Inuit people, for example, contains virtually no carbohydrate for large parts of the year.0 -
If one were capable of completely omitting carbs from their diet, they would die.
This is incorrect. One does not need to consume even a single gram of carbohydrate to survive. The traditional diet of the Inuit people, for example, contains virtually no carbohydrate for large parts of the year.
Yeah... read the thread... all that has already been addressed and clarified. Go away!0 -
Too bad Why We Get Fat is mostly fiction
Care to elaborate?0 -
Go away!
I probably will once I finish my coffee. This forum reminds me of "Internet Message Board circa 1997." Kind of nostalgic.0 -
Too bad Why We Get Fat is mostly fiction
Care to elaborate?
Protein is highly insulinogenic. And how often does he talk about ASP?0 -
bad carbs come from sugars, high fructose corn syrups and related sweeteners, honeys, molasses, fruits, breads and grains, and starchy vegetables like potatoes and carrots.
good carbs come from leafy green vegetables, squashes and such.
use the keto calculator (its free) to arrive at the amount of protein, fats and carbs you may need and set those figures into MFP.
to the extent you consume carbs, it's ideal to have them early in the day and to be 'carb free' at night and allow your body 12 hours of 'ketosis' to consume fats while you sleep.
my carb intake varies between a low of 20 grams per day to a high of 100 grams per day, always in the am (breakfast). to the extent I use sweeteners I use Truvia. MFP will often default to as much as 300 grams of carbs a day which is way too much. pretty much under 100 grams is considered low carb but many folks go to 50 (I have) with little difficulty. Those who tell you carbs don't count and such are simply incorrect. The science of low carb is overwhelming.
If you don't have enough money to eat this way then do what is necessary to make enough money.do not accept poverty. that too is a choice.
Honey, molasses, fruit, potatoes and carrots are bad carbs... really? I'll give you HFCS (devil is in the dose, and the individual consuming it by the way) but you are losing me on the rest.
Can low carb be effective, and does it have a place... yes. Is it a must for everyone... no.
Carbs count as much as fat and protein...0 -
I google What are complex carbs and here's my answer: (PS: i NEVER knew carrots fell under the starchy carbs!!!
Complex carbohydrates are those carbohydrates that are made of three or more sugar molecules linked together. These carbohydrates are found vegetables, nuts, fruits, seeds and grains. They differ from simple carbohydrates, like sugar, that are made of only one or two linked sugar molecules. Complex carbohydrates take longer for your body to break down than simple ones, which helps to maintain a steady blood sugar level.
Which Foods Are Complex Carbohydrates?
Complex carbohydrates should make up a large portion of your diet. You should aim for roughly half of your daily caloric intake to be derived from complex carbohydrates, with over half of these coming from whole grains. Starchy carbohydrates include foods such as:
Bread
Cereal
Rice
Pasta
Corn
Carrots
Dry beans
Potatoes
Additionally, green vegetables contain less starch and more fiber, making them a great choice to fulfill your complex carbohydrate needs. This includes vegetables such as:
Green beans
Broccoli
Spinach
Include these healthy choices in your diet, and increase you energy levels and health.0 -
Complex carbs good, simple carbs bad. End of story.0
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I eat 200-300 grams of carbs per day and I'm more than happy with my results. However, I also make sure to average at least 100 grams of protein per day and 45 g of fat per day. Adequate protein and fat are important for health and body composition IMO.0
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If they were bad I would not have lost over 9kgs with them being my main source of nutrition. Being a vegetarian my supply chain is highly dependent of carbs. I also have PCOS and still have to see carbs hampering my progress. I did gain around 2 kgs back but that had nothing to do with carbs and everything to do with stress, food and lack of exercise.
That being said it is still about you. Some people do react badly to carbs if you don't then gr8. If you want to experiment stop or limit intake for some time and then reintroduce them. Almost everybody sees progress this way as your body works to achieve balance with this change.0 -
Too bad Why We Get Fat is mostly fiction
Care to elaborate?
Protein is highly insulinogenic. And how often does he talk about ASP?
Are you saying all proteins are more insulinogenic than all carbohydrates? I would read that study with great interest, can you post a link please?
Also what would you have had him say about ASP, and how would it prove the rest of the information in the book to be fictional?
I look forward to being further educated on this topic.0 -
fwiw, my carbs are generally balanced the opposite: primarily leafy greens, cruciferous greens...fruit, and then the rest come from 100% whole grain bread, and some beans. (and the occasional tortilla chips, because, well, they're so darned tasty).I google What are complex carbs and here's my answer: (PS: i NEVER knew carrots fell under the starchy carbs!!!
Complex carbohydrates are those carbohydrates that are made of three or more sugar molecules linked together. These carbohydrates are found vegetables, nuts, fruits, seeds and grains. They differ from simple carbohydrates, like sugar, that are made of only one or two linked sugar molecules. Complex carbohydrates take longer for your body to break down than simple ones, which helps to maintain a steady blood sugar level.
Which Foods Are Complex Carbohydrates?
Complex carbohydrates should make up a large portion of your diet. You should aim for roughly half of your daily caloric intake to be derived from complex carbohydrates, with over half of these coming from whole grains. Starchy carbohydrates include foods such as:
Bread
Cereal
Rice
Pasta
Corn
Carrots
Dry beans
Potatoes
Additionally, green vegetables contain less starch and more fiber, making them a great choice to fulfill your complex carbohydrate needs. This includes vegetables such as:
Green beans
Broccoli
Spinach
Include these healthy choices in your diet, and increase you energy levels and health.
And yes, carrots (and beets) are considered very starchy carbs along with potatoes.0 -
Complex carbs good, simple carbs bad. End of story.
Nothing is ever that simple. Looking at the glycemic load would be a better measure if you are worried about blood glucose, which is the only reason I can think of to worry about complex vs. simple.0 -
It's all about balance. Please consider talking with your PCP or a nutritionist. Best to you!0
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carbs is great i need everyday is winter now so...carbs yes candies and general chocolate candies no thanks, how you keep muscles working with no carbs.0
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Complex carbs good, simple carbs bad. End of story.
No... the answer is always... it depends.0 -
Too bad Why We Get Fat is mostly fiction
Care to elaborate?
Protein is highly insulinogenic. And how often does he talk about ASP?
Are you saying all proteins are more insulinogenic than all carbohydrates? I would read that study with great interest, can you post a link please?
Also what would you have had him say about ASP, and how would it prove the rest of the information in the book to be fictional?
I look forward to being further educated on this topic.
No, but the very fact protein is insulinogenic renders his hypothesis in the book moot, as does ASP. As you know from reading the book, his laughable hypothesis is carbs and only carbs cause insulin to be secreted and insulin makes you fat. So the fact that protein is insulinogenic busts a hole in that hypothesis, then ASP being able to store fat without the insulin destroys it. Nor does he ever talk about how common DNL is in humans and then makes things up like his whole thing on the Pima0 -
Complex carbs good, simple carbs bad. End of story.
No.0 -
carbs is great i need everyday is winter now so...carbs yes candies and general chocolate candies no thanks, how you keep muscles working with no carbs.
Hey, Dark Chocolate has lots of potassium.0 -
I google What are complex carbs and here's my answer: (PS: i NEVER knew carrots fell under the starchy carbs!!!
Complex carbohydrates are those carbohydrates that are made of three or more sugar molecules linked together. These carbohydrates are found vegetables, nuts, fruits, seeds and grains. They differ from simple carbohydrates, like sugar, that are made of only one or two linked sugar molecules. Complex carbohydrates take longer for your body to break down than simple ones, which helps to maintain a steady blood sugar level.
Which Foods Are Complex Carbohydrates?
Complex carbohydrates should make up a large portion of your diet. You should aim for roughly half of your daily caloric intake to be derived from complex carbohydrates, with over half of these coming from whole grains. Starchy carbohydrates include foods such as:
Bread
Cereal
Rice
Pasta
Corn
Carrots
Dry beans
Potatoes
Additionally, green vegetables contain less starch and more fiber, making them a great choice to fulfill your complex carbohydrate needs. This includes vegetables such as:
Green beans
Broccoli
Spinach
Include these healthy choices in your diet, and increase you energy levels and health.
Copying and pasting from others' blog entries and presenting it as your own is lame. Just link to the site.0 -
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does it really matter how many carbs, protein and fat do we each.
Yes, it does matter. You should have a balance of eat. If you go to iifym.com, that might help you out with the percentages you should be eating. I know others use Scooby's Workshop--just google that.i am especially concerned about bread.
Bread is not evil, too much of it is. If you are really concerned, just eat whole grain or 12 grain instead of the white floury bread.and if bread/carbs are bad for me is there any medical test that can be carried out to know this!!
Usually carbs are bad for you if you have an allergy to them. But, not ALL carbs. Fruits, bread, doughnuts--they all have carbs. But, some are "worse" than others. You can eat 4 fruits a day, but not 4 doughnuts a day. Also, those with Diabetes stay away from high carb foods. Testing can be done, check out your local hospital, or if there is a free clinic in your area. The information is out there, you just need to know where to find it. Make a few phone calls, the worse they can do is say they don't have such a program/test.0 -
I google What are complex carbs and here's my answer: (PS: i NEVER knew carrots fell under the starchy carbs!!!
Complex carbohydrates are those carbohydrates that are made of three or more sugar molecules linked together. These carbohydrates are found vegetables, nuts, fruits, seeds and grains. They differ from simple carbohydrates, like sugar, that are made of only one or two linked sugar molecules. Complex carbohydrates take longer for your body to break down than simple ones, which helps to maintain a steady blood sugar level.
Which Foods Are Complex Carbohydrates?
Complex carbohydrates should make up a large portion of your diet. You should aim for roughly half of your daily caloric intake to be derived from complex carbohydrates, with over half of these coming from whole grains. Starchy carbohydrates include foods such as:
Bread
Cereal
Rice
Pasta
Corn
Carrots
Dry beans
Potatoes
Additionally, green vegetables contain less starch and more fiber, making them a great choice to fulfill your complex carbohydrate needs. This includes vegetables such as:
Green beans
Broccoli
Spinach
Include these healthy choices in your diet, and increase you energy levels and health.
Copying and pasting from others' blog entries and presenting it as your own is lame. Just link to the site.
While I agree that a link to the site is a good idea, mostly so people can decide for themselves whether the source is knowledgeable or not. This poster did not present this as their own. They clearly stated it was the internet and even mentioned that some of the information was surprising to them.0 -
a question to all people who have lost weight succesfully
does it really matter how many carbs, protein and fat do we eat.
For me, yes. I simply could not maintain my desired activity level on a low-carb approach. And wiping out carbs from my meals meant constant cravings and I ended up in a cycle of eating too much/eating too little.
So I eat high protein, high carb, and low fat. This keeps me active, and makes me happy, and the pounds keep coming off.0 -
The body requires no carbs for life but you will die if you don't get sufficient protein and fat.
According to my human biology class, you are very wrong. You need carbs to live. They get broken down into glucose, which you need for cellular respiration, which you need for everything.
However you don't need bread to live. You can get enough carbs from veggies, fruit, etc if you feel so inclined to do a low carb diet, which some people do well on. I personally do better on a bit more even proportions, though I have cut down on processed carbs. It's pretty difficult to eliminate carbs completely, and if you did for any length of time you'd die.
So in a word, no. Carbs are not bad. Too much carbs are bad. But that can be said for fat, protein, vitamins, water...0 -
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