Starting a KETO Diet next week! Need advice and support

If you want to lose 10-15 lbs and 'tone up', you should eat at a small deficit and do strength training.

It sounds like what you actually want to do is body recomposition, which is a process that involves eating at maintenance and building muscle while slowly reducing fat.

It is beyond me why anyone would look at a diet designed as a treatment for epileptic children who are resistant to anti-seizure meds and say "YES! That's my ticket to weight loss!" But, shrug.

Another silly person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Explain to me, please, how it is silly? Or did you just ignorantly bash the truth?

Truth-bashing is so popular on MFP that they may as well have a whole forum section dedicated to it. Call it the "Lies we tell to make people feel good" section.




What is "silly" is the idea that you can "tone up" by just labeling carbs are being "good" or "bad" then avoiding the alleged "bad ones."

When people say they want to "tone up," they usually mean eliminate body fat and have some sort of definition in their muscles. That can't be done without strength training. And the quickest way is heavy lifting.

If you want to lose 10-15 lbs and 'tone up', you should eat at a small deficit and do strength training.

It sounds like what you actually want to do is body recomposition, which is a process that involves eating at maintenance and building muscle while slowly reducing fat.

It is beyond me why anyone would look at a diet designed as a treatment for epileptic children who are resistant to anti-seizure meds and say "YES! That's my ticket to weight loss!" But, shrug.

Another silly person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Explain to me, please, how it is silly? Or did you just ignorantly bash the truth?

Truth-bashing is so popular on MFP that they may as well have a whole forum section dedicated to it. Call it the "Lies we tell to make people feel good" section.




What is "silly" is the idea that you can "tone up" by just labeling carbs are being "good" or "bad" then avoiding the alleged "bad ones."

When people say they want to "tone up," they usually mean eliminate body fat and have some sort of definition in their muscles. That can't be done without strength training. And the quickest way is heavy lifting.

That's true. However, if one cuts carbs and loses fat, then one can appear to be physically toned. The muscle is there, just under a layer of fat. Meh. Works well for some depending on how much mass they have.

Yes, for some it works. I know some people that have avoided so-called "bad carbs" for many years and remain happy with their diets. More often than not, it doesn't hold for the long-term. The ones that can hang with it are the exception, not the rule.

The problem is that someone like the OP can be at a healthy bodyweight but still be dissatisfied with "flab." Lots of people get down to their ideal weight, or what they thought was their ideal weight, and are still dissatisfied with their appearance because losing fat does not give them the change in body comp they they originally wanted. Too many people get focused on the scale and then they realize that magic number doesn't really improve their appearance, especially those like the OP. They believe that they need to lose weight, but actually the right lifting program and adequate protein would give the desired appearance, often without a change in the number on the scale at all.

The OP is a beautiful young lady who doesn't appear to need to lose an ounce. I stand by my comment that a lifting routine would make her happier in the long run than worrying about carbs.

If you want to lose 10-15 lbs and 'tone up', you should eat at a small deficit and do strength training.

It sounds like what you actually want to do is body recomposition, which is a process that involves eating at maintenance and building muscle while slowly reducing fat.

It is beyond me why anyone would look at a diet designed as a treatment for epileptic children who are resistant to anti-seizure meds and say "YES! That's my ticket to weight loss!" But, shrug.

Another silly person who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Explain to me, please, how it is silly? Or did you just ignorantly bash the truth?

'Ignorantly bash the truth' .. this is unbelievably hypocritcal considering your comments that Keto is solely a diet for treating epilepsy?

Yes, this is incredibly silly. On a Ketogenic Diet, your body burns fat as energy first. On a standard Glycolyctic diet your body first burns carbs, then muscle, then finally fat. So yes, being in Ketosis, along with a calorie deficit is a ticket to weight loss. Ketosis is a primal state, what do you think Human's eat before agriculture (5000-6000 years ago) in the last millions of years of human evolution? Fat, Meat, Berries.

False. It's actually been proven through archaeology and anthropology that humans evolved eating over 50% carbs. Also, on a ketogenic diet, you burn through just as much muscle, if not more. Most peer reviewed studies I've read show much higher rates of LBM loss on ketogenic diets when protein and calories are held constant. Like SideSteel said, sufficent protein and calorie deficit is the key to fat loss, ketogenic is irrelevant.

ROFL!

False.

Nice random completely ridiculous statement with no proof.

Human Evolution + Grain = http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/grains-and-human-evolution.html

Humans have existed hundreds of thousands of years. Agriculture has existing for roughly 10,000 years, 5000 for most of Europe/Americas.

'Just as much muscle, if not more?' that is absolutely nonsense. I have already outlined in my previous post how the body burns fat in Ketosis. On a normal diet, the body HAS to burn muscle to then burn fat. On a ketogenic diet, you can solely burn fat and lose fat, without touching muscle. The whole basis of a ketogenic diet is that it is hugely muscle sparing.

http://josepharcita.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/guide-to-ketosis.html

Why, oh, why, oh, why did I ever tag this post?

It's never worth sifting through all the stupid arguments from all these idiots for the one or two sensible nuggets from people.

Mental note-- stay in your private group where you belong, Marla.

*bangs head on desk*

Threads about anything that is not simply "eat less than you burn (preferably doughnuts and ice cream)" ALWAYS turn into ugliness here. It sucks. Made me leave this site once after a long time here, and will probably do the same again. It's unfortunate that blocking people who repeatedly make unhelpful, rude, and downright mean posts doesn't mean you don't SEE their replies. Because some people apparently thrive on attacking anyone who does anything different than them, or questions conventional "wisdom".

I am all for constructive criticism and presenting an opposing viewpoint with tact but, sadly, on MFP that rarely happens. It's extremely discouraging.

Don't listen to the nonsense. Check this page out http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com. It's a great place to start. I'm not a pro at the keto but I have had some success. Any question just ask.