Workout safety (stranger danger)
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NM, Totally not worth it to explain.
Wait....Is that a real question? It's a gun. You put it in a holster. Then you run. Duh...:noway: It's no worse than the people who run with those little belts full of water bottles.For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
Have you ever had a gun on a holster attached to your hip? I have and it's not very comfortable to walk with. I can't imagine what it's like to run with that thing let alone the bruise I'd have from it rubbing and banging. Also it's pretty heavy so there's the whole pants falling down issue to contend with as well.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.0 -
"For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380"
And jogging with a holstered weapon in Canada will certainly get you shot by the local cops. NOBODY except police officers and a select few high-level bodyguards are allowed to carry weapons. That is why the murder rate per capita for Canada is a fraction of what it is in the US.
So access to guns causes murder? So if you had a gun you would murder? Wow..so much fail here.
Guns don't kill people. However, people with guns kill other people. The guns don't randomly go off and shoot innocents.0 -
NM, Totally not worth it to explain.
Wait....Is that a real question? It's a gun. You put it in a holster. Then you run. Duh...:noway: It's no worse than the people who run with those little belts full of water bottles.For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
Have you ever had a gun on a holster attached to your hip? I have and it's not very comfortable to walk with. I can't imagine what it's like to run with that thing let alone the bruise I'd have from it rubbing and banging. Also it's pretty heavy so there's the whole pants falling down issue to contend with as well.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
In this case, I believe you would be the explainee, not the explainer.0 -
Didn't read all the comments, but OP I agree with what you posted. Safety first!! ladies should look into self defense classes, it helps know how to protect yourself without using guns or pepper spray.0
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I'mma just put this out there... http://flashbangholsters.publishpath.com/
NM, Totally not worth it to explain.
Wait....Is that a real question? It's a gun. You put it in a holster. Then you run. Duh...:noway: It's no worse than the people who run with those little belts full of water bottles.For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
Have you ever had a gun on a holster attached to your hip? I have and it's not very comfortable to walk with. I can't imagine what it's like to run with that thing let alone the bruise I'd have from it rubbing and banging. Also it's pretty heavy so there's the whole pants falling down issue to contend with as well.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
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I'd LOVE to see the source on "youre more likely to be hit by a car WHEN JOGGING than get attacked". Sounds like complete bull to me. Source please.....
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811625.pdf
That's not really helpful. Those are all deaths by all pedestrians, not people working out. I agree, cars are dangerous. Lets not quote make-believe statistics....or apply actual statics in a dishonest manner. I'm pretty sure the chances of getting hit by a car running in your local park is pretty slim. But yes, for runners/walkers/cyclists/rollerbladers/ on a public street I'll buy that cars are your biggest danger. Which is why I dont run on the road. So back to the original point...
And great post about the knives. Not very many people will get that one either!
I don't think those statistics are presented in a dishonest manner. When I jog at my local park, I have to jog through 3 major intersections to get there...and even if I drove, I'd still say the odds of me getting into an auto accident on the way to the park are greater than me being abducted while I'm jogging at the park. Also, I don't know of a single cyclist in the world that just rides around the park on his/her bicycle.0 -
Where's the end of the story?!?!?!? I want to know if you successfully slipped them roofies or not.0
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I'd LOVE to see the source on "youre more likely to be hit by a car WHEN JOGGING than get attacked". Sounds like complete bull to me. Source please.....
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811625.pdf
That's not really helpful. Those are all deaths by all pedestrians, not people working out. I agree, cars are dangerous. Lets not quote make-believe statistics....or apply actual statics in a dishonest manner. I'm pretty sure the chances of getting hit by a car running in your local park is pretty slim. But yes, for runners/walkers/cyclists/rollerbladers/ on a public street I'll buy that cars are your biggest danger. Which is why I dont run on the road. So back to the original point...
And great post about the knives. Not very many people will get that one either!
I don't think those statistics are presented in a dishonest manner. When I jog at my local park, I have to jog through 3 major intersections to get there...and even if I drove, I'd still say the odds of me getting into an auto accident on the way to the park are greater than me being abducted while I'm jogging at the park. Also, I don't know of a single cyclist in the world that just rides around the park on his/her bicycle.
Speaking of cyclists, they're probably the greatest danger to me as a runner. Some of those guys are...reckless.
(Doesn't apply to the apparently expert level cyclist who went from 40-0 in about a second when my daughter veered into his path mistaking his "on your left" as "go to your left" (despite her and I having discussed and experienced this very scenario many times during the previous hour of our outing). That could have ended very badly, especially for her. I didn't have a chance to thank him as she was 50ish yards in front of me and next to a busy/noisy highway (on a dedicated path), so hey, rare cyclist who is really paying attention: Thanks...for not killing/maiming my daughter (either during a wreck or shortly after for almost causing the wreck).)0 -
I can't speak for cyclists in the US but in the UK you can't afford not to pay attention or you're dead. Driver's hatred for cyclists is quite something here.
And on off-road shared cycle paths hazards range from toddlers to off lead dogs to people who when you shout "passing on your right" don't have the faintest clue where "right" is...0 -
For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
WTF....?? :huh:
So I had to google this as I didn't have the faintest clue what a "Ruger LCP" was....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_LCP
Are you serious? You run with a gun???? :noway:
It's moments like this make you feel very very happy that you live in the UK, isn't it? :-)
I wish I lived in the UK...
...where there are no violent crimes.
Only a very informed person will understand your sarcasm here...which there appear not to be many of those people on this thread.
They should probably try banning knives there too.
They are...
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offensive_weapons_knives_bladed_and_pointed_articles/0 -
I can't speak for cyclists in the US but in the UK you can't afford not to pay attention or you're dead. Driver's hatred for cyclists is quite something here.
Indeed, when I was cycle commuting I was hit by cars about 5 times a year. One left me sprawled across the road, with the following vehicles working around me to avoid their journey being disrupted
Brompton wasn't damaged, fortunately.0 -
I'mma just put this out there... http://flashbangholsters.publishpath.com/
NM, Totally not worth it to explain.
Wait....Is that a real question? It's a gun. You put it in a holster. Then you run. Duh...:noway: It's no worse than the people who run with those little belts full of water bottles.For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
Have you ever had a gun on a holster attached to your hip? I have and it's not very comfortable to walk with. I can't imagine what it's like to run with that thing let alone the bruise I'd have from it rubbing and banging. Also it's pretty heavy so there's the whole pants falling down issue to contend with as well.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
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There are things the media/news has fearmongered us into thinking are "dangerous" and then there is reality. Is anyone REALLY looking at your public workouts to stalk you? Not likely. Better question yet is has that EVER happened to anyone? And if so, was it a jilted ex (who would find you anyway) or a stranger? Now not wearing both earbuds while jogging THAT is sound advice. When I see anyone (young women especially) walking around completely unaware of their situation with both earbuds in and/or playing with their smartphones I know for criminals that person is a soft target. For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like the Ruger lcp. As far as leaving your drinks unattended..wow that is a whole new level of stupid. Best advice for women...if you see a group of sketchy guys or even one..LOOK at him. Don't stare. Just make eye contact briefly. Just keep your head up and let them know you know they are there. These guys are looking for easy prey that looks down or away or isnt paying attention.
Just because a woman is playing with their iphone or have both earbuds in their ears doesn't mean that they aren't aware of their surroundings. When the weather is nice, I like to go to a linear park a few minutes away from work. I pay attention to ev.er.y.one. Particularly any males that can over-power me.0 -
I can't speak for cyclists in the US but in the UK you can't afford not to pay attention or you're dead. Driver's hatred for cyclists is quite something here.
And on off-road shared cycle paths hazards range from toddlers to off lead dogs to people who when you shout "passing on your right" don't have the faintest clue where "right" is...
Nope, cyclists face the same dangers here... in my city we have a group of people very adament on keeping cyclists off the roads and keeping cars as the dominate means of travel.0 -
I'mma just put this out there... http://flashbangholsters.publishpath.com/
NM, Totally not worth it to explain.
Wait....Is that a real question? It's a gun. You put it in a holster. Then you run. Duh...:noway: It's no worse than the people who run with those little belts full of water bottles.For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
Have you ever had a gun on a holster attached to your hip? I have and it's not very comfortable to walk with. I can't imagine what it's like to run with that thing let alone the bruise I'd have from it rubbing and banging. Also it's pretty heavy so there's the whole pants falling down issue to contend with as well.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
Now lets get a sports bra edition and we would be set. :drinker:0 -
YES, BE VERY VERY AFRAID OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY! EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD IS OUT TO RAPE, ROB AND MURDER YOU. PANIC, PANIC RIGHT NOW!!! THEY ARE PROBABLY USING YOUR POSTS TO TRACK YOUR IP ADDRESS AND ABDUCT YOU FROM YOUR HOME IN THE NEXT 5 MINUTES? WHY AREN'T YOU IN HIDING? TAKING REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS ISN'T ENOUGH IN THIS CRAZY WORLD WE LIVE IN. YOU BETTER BE PARANOID ALL THE TIME OR YOU GONNA DIE. EVEN THE CATERPILLARS ARE TRYING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!
On average, one in six women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. And we're taught that if we do, it's our fault for not being vigilant enough. It's not a ****ing joke.
care to break out what percentage of the 1 in 6 stat is from women assaulted by complete strangers while running in the park?
on second thought, that's too specific. can we just take out the domestic cases, the date rape cases, and the cases where the assailant was a friend or family member? what does the number become if we do that?0 -
EVEN THE CATERPILLARS ARE TRYING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!
Bwahahahaha!!!!0 -
YES, BE VERY VERY AFRAID OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY! EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD IS OUT TO RAPE, ROB AND MURDER YOU. PANIC, PANIC RIGHT NOW!!! THEY ARE PROBABLY USING YOUR POSTS TO TRACK YOUR IP ADDRESS AND ABDUCT YOU FROM YOUR HOME IN THE NEXT 5 MINUTES? WHY AREN'T YOU IN HIDING? TAKING REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS ISN'T ENOUGH IN THIS CRAZY WORLD WE LIVE IN. YOU BETTER BE PARANOID ALL THE TIME OR YOU GONNA DIE. EVEN THE CATERPILLARS ARE TRYING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!
On average, one in six women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. And we're taught that if we do, it's our fault for not being vigilant enough. It's not a ****ing joke.
care to break out what percentage of the 1 in 6 stat is from women assaulted by complete strangers while running in the park?
on second thought, that's too specific. can we just take out the domestic cases, the date rape cases, and the cases where the assailant was a friend or family member? what does the number become if we do that?
UK stats -
Around 90 per cent of victims of the most serious sexual offences of rape or sexual assault by penetration in the previous year knew the perpetrator, compared with less than half for other sexual offences.
source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/an-overview-of-sexual-offending-in-england-and-wales0 -
i went to a park to play basketball, there are these two drunk guys who likes to shoot hoops. they are friendly but they might be into something, nonetheless, we had a great time shooting hoops with them. while i do decline when they offer a drink.I probably watch too much Criminal Minds, but it could happen.
Me too! But seriously, these are all really good points. I also think it's smart to run with only one earbud in when it's early in the AM or late at night. Helps me be aware of my surroundings.
my point is, there are bad things around us but it's good to manage these and look into a good stuff rather than over react to the bad ones.0 -
I'm implying that when given a choice, an assailant will generally pick a more appealing target over a lesser one. Which is why 80% of rape victims are women under 30. I don't have stats specifically on joggers in pink, tight-fitting shorts vs. camo sweatpants.. but like the saying goes, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
I don't think you really understand how sexual assailants target their victims. again, rape (as is being described in this thread) is largely a crime of opportunity. if the perpetrator has an opportunity he will take it, regardless of whether the victim is wearing sweatpants or yoga pants.
Opportunity no doubt plays a part, but arousal initiates the drive. Which is why elderly women are a lower risk demographic for rape, even though they're an easier opportunity -- the appeal is less.
A woman running in camo tactical pants is probably perceived as a harder opportunity than one in tight shorts, because not only does she look harder to control, you can't tell if she's packing a weapon like you can with tight shorts. So ugly, masculine clothes can act as a deterrant. Bonus points for wearing a grey wig. :bigsmile:0 -
****SPOLIER ALERT****
This weeks criminal minds had the Serial Killer selecting people from a library
What I take from this is that I should stay out of library's and only go to pubs. :laugh: :noway: :laugh:0 -
READING IS DANGEROUS!!!! AVOID LIBRARIES!!!
*panics and hides*0 -
I'mma just put this out there... http://flashbangholsters.publishpath.com/
NM, Totally not worth it to explain.
Wait....Is that a real question? It's a gun. You put it in a holster. Then you run. Duh...:noway: It's no worse than the people who run with those little belts full of water bottles.For ANY woman who runs alone in I would strongly suggest taking a carry course and buying a little .380. They come in 9 oz lightweight versions like my ruger lcp.
Concealed weapons are not legal everywhere. And where the hell do you keep it?
Have you ever had a gun on a holster attached to your hip? I have and it's not very comfortable to walk with. I can't imagine what it's like to run with that thing let alone the bruise I'd have from it rubbing and banging. Also it's pretty heavy so there's the whole pants falling down issue to contend with as well.
I'm not sure how this is relevant.
You'll shoot your boob out kid....0 -
Actually, I love Criminal Minds but my wife can't watch it...she does get ultra paranoid about everything when she watches that show.0
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I feel like people are taking suggestions of caution and blowing them way out of proportion to seem like crazy paranoia...no one is suggesting anyone has to "run and hide" or be afraid of everything, or cower in their houses, and yes, it's not a huge probability that anyone currently sharing in this thread is going to be attacked by a stranger while exercising. But the thing is, even if the statistic is only like one in a thousand women being attacked that way, the fact is SOMEONE has to be that one. And while it's not healthy to live in fear and yes we all have to go about our lives assuming nothing terrible is going to happen to us, but I really don't get the outright mocking of the idea that caution is a good idea.
Even if you don't know anyone it has happened to, and it hasn't happened to you, it's happened to someone, and no one ever thinks they're going to be that person until it happens. Why not lower the possibility by taking precautions that don't impact your quality of life, like being aware of your surroundings and not giving potential assailants unnecessary opportunities to take advantage of the situation?0 -
...but I really don't get the outright mocking of the idea that caution is a good idea
There is a question of proportionality. Situational awareness and reasonable avoidance isn't an issue. The suggestion that taking self defence classes and running tooled up is an appropriate response to a miniscule risk is disproportionate.
There have been a few observations on the use, and misuse, of statistics which demonstrate that there is a very real misunderstanding of the scale of the risk, particularly given the fairly outlandish scenario initially presented.
fwiw the main reason I don't leave my kit when I'm training at the park is down to the risk of theft.0 -
...but I really don't get the outright mocking of the idea that caution is a good idea
There is a question of proportionality. Situational awareness and reasonable avoidance isn't an issue. The suggestion that taking self defence classes and running tooled up is an appropriate response to a miniscule risk is disproportionate.
There have been a few observations on the use, and misuse, of statistics which demonstrate that there is a very real misunderstanding of the scale of the risk, particularly given the fairly outlandish scenario initially presented.
fwiw the main reason I don't leave my kit when I'm training at the park is down to the risk of theft.
your argument is not logical.
lots of people study calculus in high school and never use it again for the rest of their lives. but if they have to, they will still retain a passing familiarity with it.
why is that different than self-defense training?
even if you never have to use it, you're better off (and safer) knowing it. it's not an issue of "disproportionality" so much as an issue of being prepared if you ever find yourself in that situation.
i wouldn't take a gun out with me unless i felt i needed it for protection against dangerous animals. i have never seen a bear here in the wild in 10+ years here, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. they are. if i were to go hiking alone back into the Rockies, i would take one just in case. the fact that i have yet to see a bear thus far has no effect on the level of my future risk. they are unrelated issues.0 -
...but I really don't get the outright mocking of the idea that caution is a good idea
There is a question of proportionality. Situational awareness and reasonable avoidance isn't an issue. The suggestion that taking self defence classes and running tooled up is an appropriate response to a miniscule risk is disproportionate.
There have been a few observations on the use, and misuse, of statistics which demonstrate that there is a very real misunderstanding of the scale of the risk, particularly given the fairly outlandish scenario initially presented.
fwiw the main reason I don't leave my kit when I'm training at the park is down to the risk of theft.
your argument is not logical.
lots of people study calculus in high school and never use it again for the rest of their lives. but if they have to, they will still retain a passing familiarity with it.
why is that different than self-defense training?
even if you never have to use it, you're better off (and safer) knowing it. it's not an issue of "disproportionality" so much as an issue of being prepared if you ever find yourself in that situation.
i wouldn't take a gun out with me unless i felt i needed it for protection against dangerous animals. i have never seen a bear here in the wild in 10+ years here, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. they are. if i were to go hiking alone back into the Rockies, i would take one just in case. the fact that i have yet to see a bear thus far has no effect on the level of my future risk. they are unrelated issues.
do you even OP?
She was detailing a scenario where a serial killer drugged a bunch of water bottles, waited in the weeds for unsuspecting females to return, then raped and killed them after the drugs took effect. And then this mystical serial killer dragged the bodies into the woods and dumped them.
There are dangerous things that happen in the world but unless you live inside a James Patterson novel there are a million things to worry about before you get to this scenario.0 -
...but I really don't get the outright mocking of the idea that caution is a good idea
There is a question of proportionality. Situational awareness and reasonable avoidance isn't an issue. The suggestion that taking self defence classes and running tooled up is an appropriate response to a miniscule risk is disproportionate.
There have been a few observations on the use, and misuse, of statistics which demonstrate that there is a very real misunderstanding of the scale of the risk, particularly given the fairly outlandish scenario initially presented.
fwiw the main reason I don't leave my kit when I'm training at the park is down to the risk of theft.
your argument is not logical.
lots of people study calculus in high school and never use it again for the rest of their lives. but if they have to, they will still retain a passing familiarity with it.
why is that different than self-defense training?
even if you never have to use it, you're better off (and safer) knowing it. it's not an issue of "disproportionality" so much as an issue of being prepared if you ever find yourself in that situation.
i wouldn't take a gun out with me unless i felt i needed it for protection against dangerous animals. i have never seen a bear here in the wild in 10+ years here, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. they are. if i were to go hiking alone back into the Rockies, i would take one just in case. the fact that i have yet to see a bear thus far has no effect on the level of my future risk. they are unrelated issues.
do you even OP?
She was detailing a scenario where a serial killer drugged a bunch of water bottles, waited in the weeds for unsuspecting females to return, then raped and killed them after the drugs took effect. And then this mystical serial killer dragged the bodies into the woods and dumped them.
There are dangerous things that happen in the world but unless you live inside a James Patterson novel there are a million things to worry about before you get to this scenario.
i was responding to the guy who explained that he was mocking the idea of being prepared because it was not proportional to the miniscule risk somebody might face. that's the argument that i said was not logical.
how many people have ever been involved in head-on accidents? ...and yet car manufacturers are required to put airbags in all new cars. by his argument, that would be a disproportionate response to the minimal risk of ever being in a head-on accident.
that's the sort of thinking i was disagreeing with. he was mocking the need for people to be cautious. i wouldn't mock that. now going for a run in full body armor while toting a rocket launcher? unless you live in Syria or Detroit, that's probably overkill.0 -
lots of people study calculus in high school and never use it again for the rest of their lives. but if they have to, they will still retain a passing familiarity with it.
why is that different than self-defense training?
A point I made upthread was around maintaining currency, routine self defence takes a couple of hours a week to retain confidence. That's before you get to the idea of a personal weapon. When I used to shoot practical pistol and combat rifle competitively it took a lot of time, and a lot of lead, to sustain the skillset to an adequate level.
I'd observe that was competitive, when I've had to carry in an operational environment, where there was a very credible threat, it still took a lot of time, and quite realistic training.0
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