Clean Eating Bashing?

yes, I've heard about how you train exactly the same after a major injury like fracturing your pelvis. Certainly there wouldn't have been any rehab or extra cross training that would have helped. :noway:

Helped what exactly? His power to weight ratio?

If you want cycle specific adaptations you do cycle specific training. Rehab and cross training have little if no impact on that.

You're right silly me - it was the slight increase in clean food alone that made the difference.

That's the lesson you want us to take isn't it..........

Not particularly.

The lesson was you don't have to take drastic steps when modifying your diet to reap positive results or get too caught up in eliminating things - it is balance which is important, even for high level performers.

Still, nothing like confirming your own biases eh?

Are you certain whose confirmation bias is showing?

You are attributing his increased success to how much cleaner he supposedly ate. Do you not see the problem here?

No, I am attributing his success to dropping weight which was facilitated by improving the ratio of his "clean" foods to "junk" food, not eliminating anything.

If you wanted clarification on what I thought or it was unclear you could have just asked me.

Are you certain whose confirmation bias is showing?

Yes.

Actually speaking of cyclists, Chris Horner springs to mind as an athlete who was notorious for fuelling his training on high amounts of "junk", staying lean and performing well. That is until a crash in 2009. Fearing his diet would accelerate weight gain he "cleaned" up his diet, dropped 10 lbs in the process and had one of his best ever seasons well into his late 30s.

Did he take any drastic steps? Not really. He just reduced his consumption of "junk" a bit and increased his consumption of "clean" foods in its place.

There's a lesson in that somewhere...

Dropping 10 lbs probably had nothing to do with it, and I'm sure his macro intake and training were identical before and after.

Dropping 10 lbs had nothing to do with it? How do you figure?

Actually speaking of cyclists, Chris Horner springs to mind as an athlete who was notorious for fuelling his training on high amounts of "junk", staying lean and performing well. That is until a crash in 2009. Fearing his diet would accelerate weight gain he "cleaned" up his diet, dropped 10 lbs in the process and had one of his best ever seasons well into his late 30s.

Did he take any drastic steps? Not really. He just reduced his consumption of "junk" a bit and increased his consumption of "clean" foods in its place.

There's a lesson in that somewhere...

Dropping 10 lbs probably had nothing to do with it, and I'm sure his macro intake and training were identical before and after.

Dropping 10 lbs had nothing to do with it? How do you figure?

Sarcasm.

You are attributing his increased success to how much cleaner he supposedly ate. Do you not see the problem here?

No, I am attributing his success to dropping weight which was facilitated by improving the ratio of his "clean" foods to "junk" food, not eliminating anything.

If you wanted clarification on what I thought or it was unclear you could have just asked me.

Wait. He lost 10 lbs because he ate cleaner foods?

Huh?

There was a reason I put the terms clean and junk in quotation marks...

He spontaneously achieved a greater calorie deficit by changing his diet composition with no drastic measures in my opinion. Just ate a bit more fruit, veg etc and a little less of what is considered "junk".

you are convinced that it was "clean eating" that led to the improved results.

Am I?

Actually speaking of cyclists, Chris Horner springs to mind as an athlete who was notorious for fuelling his training on high amounts of "junk", staying lean and performing well. That is until a crash in 2009. Fearing his diet would accelerate weight gain he "cleaned" up his diet, dropped 10 lbs in the process and had one of his best ever seasons well into his late 30s.

Did he take any drastic steps? Not really. He just reduced his consumption of "junk" a bit and increased his consumption of "clean" foods in its place.

There's a lesson in that somewhere...

Dropping 10 lbs probably had nothing to do with it, and I'm sure his macro intake and training were identical before and after.

Dropping 10 lbs had nothing to do with it? How do you figure?

Sarcasm.

*WHOOSH* :blushing:

Haven't read the whole thing, but what the heck, I'll throw in an anecdote.

One of my good friends is really obsessed with clean eating and a Paleo lifestyle. She has a 4 year old daughter and feeds her this way as well. She spends a lot of time and energy obsessing over food, and finding reasons why certain foods are "bad". She is always picking fights with her daughter's school about snacks that they serve or that they allow other parents to bring in. She has forbidden the school from allowing her daughter to eat snacks brought by other parents unless they are "whole" foods.

The problem is, for herself, she lacks the willpower to stick to these restrictions 100%. She does not allow her child to "cheat" though. She feels really virtuous about this and is constantly bragging about her child's diet.

I suspect her daughter is not getting enough to eat. Children need a surprisingly large amount of calories to grow, and she is being fed her mother's weight loss diet. Not my business, she is taken to regular Dr.'s appointments and I will let them bring it up with her if it becomes a concern. It is still kinda sad to watch though. Her 4 year old weighs substantially less than my 2 year old (who is a bit tall for her age, but NOT overweight). She never plays. My kids will romp around at the park and play in the little creek and she will just stand by quietly and watch. She is this tiny, scrawny little thing with dark circles under her eyes.

"Clean eating" really isn't well defined. If we were to call it "Learn to love whole foods/nutrient dense foods and incorporate them into a balanced diet" there would not be a problem. But, "Clean Eating", however it is defined, tends to be based on foods that are AVOIDED not which foods are included. This is not a recipe for a healthy relationship with food, and, taken to extremes, can actually result in under nourishment.

Haven't read the whole thing, but what the heck, I'll throw in an anecdote.

One of my good friends is really obsessed with clean eating and a Paleo lifestyle. She has a 4 year old daughter and feeds her this way as well. She spends a lot of time and energy obsessing over food, and finding reasons why certain foods are "bad". She is always picking fights with her daughter's school about snacks that they serve or that they allow other parents to bring in. She has forbidden the school from allowing her daughter to eat snacks brought by other parents unless they are "whole" foods.

The problem is, for herself, she lacks the willpower to stick to these restrictions 100%. She does not allow her child to "cheat" though. She feels really virtuous about this and is constantly bragging about her child's diet.

I suspect her daughter is not getting enough to eat. Children need a surprisingly large amount of calories to grow, and she is being fed her mother's weight loss diet. Not my business, she is taken to regular Dr.'s appointments and I will let them bring it up with her if it becomes a concern. It is still kinda sad to watch though. Her 4 year old weighs substantially less than my 2 year old (who is a bit tall for her age, but NOT overweight). She never plays. My kids will romp around at the park and play in the little creek and she will just stand by quietly and watch. She is this tiny, scrawny little thing with dark circles under her eyes.

"Clean eating" really isn't well defined. If we were to call it "Learn to love whole foods/nutrient dense foods and incorporate them into a balanced diet" there would not be a problem. But, "Clean Eating", however it is defined, tends to be based on foods that are AVOIDED not which foods are included. This is not a recipe for a healthy relationship with food, and, taken to extremes, can actually result in under nourishment.

WTF. That is horrible! Makes me feel quite ragey in fact. :mad: