How come models never lift heavy ?
douceurdevivre
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Hello, everyone. I have a dilemma: apparently, VS models, which are hailed as being the most perfect bodies on Earth and the absolute ideal, never ever touch any weights. Their workouts seem to consist of cardio, stretches, pilates and endless leg raises, lunges, and what have you, all performed at most with very light ankle weights. Meanwhile, the internet claims that weightlifting and squatting heavy are THE way for women to achieve that beautiful toned look. I'm on the lifting heavy side, but so far, while my strength is increasing, I still have saddlebags and my legs are chunkier than ever. I want to have thin legs; which kind of exercises should I do ? And how come those women look so perfect despite never lifting heavy (which supposedly is the one and only way to get lean according to all the fitness enthusiasts on the internet) ?
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Keep in mind that celebrities probably don't reveal all of their secrets on how they remain so beautiful. Also keep in mind that genetics play a part in this.0
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Models are of a certain body type. They eat and train to maintain a certain look. Most can only do it for a few years, then they "retire."
If you're not that body type, nothing you do will make you look like that. So, the best alternatve for the rest of us is to build lean muscle mass that gives us functional strength so we can live healthy lives.
You're also touching on another point: Perfect vs Progress. Are you going to quit because you can't obtain perfection? Or are you going to strive for progress and see that as your definition of success?0 -
THIS!! Let's face it, not a lot of women are going to look like a VS model even if they spent all day, every day in the gym... These are not the women you should really be comparing youself to.:noway:Also keep in mind that genetics play a part in this.
By the way...you look GREAT as you are right now!0 -
Who ever said that 5'9", 103 pounds and size 00 is perfect? I beg to differ. It's a standard that most mortals will never achieve, nor should they. These models and there "perfect" bodies and the companies that promote them, have done a great disservice to little girls and young women.0
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VS models generally are very very slim... that is not the same as having low bodyfat (or being toned as you put it).0
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They're not of a different body type than the rest of the world. Some are pear shaped, like me, some have other shapes, and so on. But all of them are very lean (and many have been so for decades, not just for a few years). My point is, why does the internet place so much importance on lifting heavy when apparently you can get super lean by just doing lunges and leg raises and lots of cardio with high reps and very low weights ? Women are told that lifting heavy with low reps is the best thing ever, but apparently it's possible to do the exact opposite and be lean too. I'm really confused and I don't know who to believe.
This kind of workouts are the exact opposites of my squats and deadlift sessions, yet she is a lot leaner than I've ever been lifting weights. So why bother with weights when apparently the secret to success are some ankle weights ? She and I have the same body shape, yet she seems to be getting better results by NOT lifting heavy.
http://www.shape.com/fitness/workouts/victorias-secret-butt-workout
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/443073/Train-like-an-angel-Victoria-s-Secret-beauty-Candice-Swanepoel-shares-her-workout-routine0 -
Thanks, dear
I don't wanna look like a VS model, I just want slightly thinner legs and I don't know how to achieve that. 0 -
Models are airbrushed and if you check their height/weight the are usually underweight. They are trying to keep the 34,24,34 measurements which is industry standard. I would guess they are eating far less than a fitness model. Given the choice I would build lean mass to increase my resting metabolism than diet down and have to sustain my weight through diet alone. You must also remember many of these girls got in the industry when they were young and thought lifting would make them bulky in fact they probably still feel this way.0
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They're not of a different body type than the rest of the world. Some are pear shaped, like me, some have other shapes, and so on. But all of them are very lean (and many have been so for decades, not just for a few years). My point is, why does the internet place so much importance on lifting heavy when apparently you can get super lean by just doing lunges and leg raises and lots of cardio with high reps and very low weights ? Women are told that lifting heavy with low reps is the best thing ever, but apparently it's possible to do the exact opposite and be lean too. I'm really confused and I don't know who to believe.
This kind of workouts are the exact opposites of my squats and deadlift sessions, yet she is a lot leaner than I've ever been lifting weights. So why bother with weights when apparently the secret to success are some ankle weights ? She and I have the same body shape, yet she seems to be getting better results by NOT lifting heavy.
http://www.shape.com/fitness/workouts/victorias-secret-butt-workout
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/443073/Train-like-an-angel-Victoria-s-Secret-beauty-Candice-Swanepoel-shares-her-workout-routine
Lifting heavy has other benefits besides looking good. I know when I'm an old hag with strong bones I'll be glad I lifted heavy when I was younger.0 -
They're not of a different body type than the rest of the world. Some are pear shaped, like me, some have other shapes, and so on. But all of them are very lean (and many have been so for decades, not just for a few years). My point is, why does the internet place so much importance on lifting heavy when apparently you can get super lean by just doing lunges and leg raises and lots of cardio with high reps and very low weights ? Women are told that lifting heavy with low reps is the best thing ever, but apparently it's possible to do the exact opposite and be lean too. I'm really confused and I don't know who to believe.
This kind of workouts are the exact opposites of my squats and deadlift sessions, yet she is a lot leaner than I've ever been lifting weights. So why bother with weights when apparently the secret to success are some ankle weights ? She and I have the same body shape, yet she seems to be getting better results by NOT lifting heavy.
http://www.shape.com/fitness/workouts/victorias-secret-butt-workout
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/443073/Train-like-an-angel-Victoria-s-Secret-beauty-Candice-Swanepoel-shares-her-workout-routine
I would argue none of these women "got" super lean by doing these exercises, they always were super lean. These exercises just help them maintain it.0 -
Genetics mostly.
However, it's quite simple. To get a "toned" look you need to lower body fat through a calorie deficit and preserve muscle by exposing it to a sufficient amount of resistance progressively over time.
Resistance can be your own body weight, resistance bands, barbells whatever.
You don't ever need to do a single squat in your entire life if you don't want to and you could still get a nice looking body. You could even get it doing just "cardio" (no, really although this requires a much more significant time investment.)
Exercise selection is secondary to fundamental principles.0 -
I just want slightly thinner legs and I don't know how to achieve that.
lower your bodyfat...0 -
We all have that one friend who eats whatever her or she wants as well as double the calories of everyone else but somehow manages to stay thin even with minimal, half-assed exercise. Genetics. :mad:0
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We all have that one friend who eats whatever her or she wants as well as double the calories of everyone else but somehow manages to stay thin even with minimal, half-assed exercise. Genetics. :mad:
or you don't know how they eat when you're not around. I find it hard to believe genetics could magically gift the ability to eat all the food without gaining. I use to be that girl...then I got fat0 -
Hello, everyone. I have a dilemma: apparently, VS models, which are hailed as being the most perfect bodies on Earth and the absolute ideal, never ever touch any weights.
I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what their tastes or goals should be, but I couldn't more stridently object to this. :flowerforyou:0 -
We all have that one friend who eats whatever her or she wants as well as double the calories of everyone else but somehow manages to stay thin even with minimal, half-assed exercise. Genetics. :mad:
or you don't know how they eat when you're not around. I find it hard to believe genetics could magically gift the ability to eat all the food without gaining. I use to be that girl...then I got fat
This!!! No magical genetics are gonna make you lose when you eat more than your maintenance.0 -
I'm a fan of lifting heavy, I have more shape and am more slender than I ever did when I did cardio all the time. With that being said, theres nothing knocking bodyweight exercises, they're a great place and workout for individuals who aren't able to access a gym, and I've had plenty hard bodyweight workouts that have left me sore.
With models, most of them are naturally slim, and tall. Also, look at their diets, not just their workouts, you can workout all you want, but if you aren't eating an appropriate balance of food and macros then you'll never achieve the body you want. In addition to all the stories of victorias secret models bodies and workouts, google stories on their crazy crash diets and what they do to get runway ready. No thank you.
As far as your legs being thinner, lower your bodyfat, but some people just happen to hold more muscle/fat in their legs, and a "thigh gap" is genetic. I am generally bigger on the bottom, so instead of being upset that I don't have thin legs, I've worked my *kitten* off (or on) in the gym to shape them and turn my legs and butt into the thing that most of my friends envy and comment on. If you want to "slim down" change your diet and lower your body fat, that simple. Lifting heavy and eating a calorie surplus everyday is going to lead to a weight gain, in addition not getting enough protein in your diet isn't ideal for muscle growth and repair. I haven't looked at your diary so I have no clue what your diet looks like, but really, hit your calorie goals and macros and give it 8-12 weeks, take pictures and measurements and watch your body change.0 -
....despite never lifting heavy (which supposedly is the one and only way to get lean according to all the fitness enthusiasts on the internet) ?
Actually it's according to all the lifting enthusiasts.
They have the figures that one would expect from a managed diet and bodyweight exercise. Whether that's "perfect" or not is subjective.0 -
You already look like that--beautiful and slender. You just need to see it.0
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2 words. air brush0
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You do realize half if not more of the "model" pictures you see have been photoshopped, right? They may claim their workouts are what contributes to their shape, but you have to stop and think about how much tweaking each photo gets before we ever see it.
Plus, sorry - a size 00 is not something I ever want to be. A nice well muscled 10-12 is my goal (as well as what I look for).0 -
If you think that VS models are so 'perfect' and that you can achieve the same look, you need to watch this.
http://youtu.be/Tl8uIbSOQa4 0 -
Even if she wasn't photoshopped in this illustration, she's still not my taste.
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Thanks, dear I don't wanna look like a VS model, I just want slightly thinner legs and I don't know how to achieve that.
Genetics.
There are different reasons to lift weights. Become stronger, lose body fat etc. But when you lift weights you do gain muscle mass. Some of the factors that determine how large those muscles "appear" have to do with your bone size and the length of those muscles. Those are determined by genetics and you cant change that. So there may be a point you will reach where you wont be able to get your legs any slimmer than you would like them to "appear".0 -
"Perfect" is a super-subjective term.
There's a whole magazine industry of air-brushed pictures out there giving both men and women unhealthy and fictional paradigms. There are plenty of split pictures available online to show how photoshopped these pictures are.
I guess the magazines aren't peddling fit/healthy/strong yet. So the majority of joe/jane public doesn't identify with it as an ideal. Times and tastes change, so maybe this will too, who knows?
OP: you need to come to terms with how this has all been skewed and presented to you. There are no objectively "perfect" people. Only people who you may happen to find "perfect" given your personal taste and cultural environment.0 -
Some of those models are dealing with eating disorders just to keep what they feel is the ideal body. They are very different from female bodybuilders - you need to decide if you want a bodybuilders physique or that of a super model. If all you need is to loose some body fat here and there you can do that with a combination of cardio and a lifting program such as NROLFW or StongLifts 5x5. Try Bikram yoga as a possible workout and do a little running each day. Given a few months you will be surprised in the changes you can make to your body if you eat right while working out.0
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In reality, models are not as beautiful as media makes them out to be. All they have is the facial bone structure that the client wants to have (because you can't change that *too* much). Everything else is post-processing.
As for fashion models who do the catwalk - they're on the verge of death.
If I wanted to marry a skeleton, I'd visit my local high school science room and pick one up there.0 -
If you want to be leaner, you have to find the right eating routines. Training (with or without weights) will tone, grow and strengthen muscles. Don't ask them what workout they do, ask what they eat, when they eat and how they prepare for photo shoot. Like bodybuilders, I'm pretty sure they have a routine that leaves them at their peak for that one period of time.
The advice you see on lifting heavy is still the right advice for the vast majority of people because it helps us reach our genetic potential the the most healthy way possible. If you really want to do the barbie workouts, go for it. Lifting heavy takes a commitment that you don't seem to be ready for.0 -
It depends on the type of model. There are fitness models, and I find them much more attractive than the VS models. Lifting heavy gives a much better look and can overcome what your genetics didn't provide.0
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This!!! No magical genetics are gonna make you lose when you eat more than your maintenance.
Of course they won't, but they will set what your maintenance level is, which may be higher than someone else who appears to be the same as you.
It's apparently not PC these days to admit that some people are just smarter, leaner, stronger than others naturally, but it's a fact. If I posted a topic saying what diet and workout would I have to follow to be as tall as Yao Ming, you guys would just laugh at me, yet when it's other attributes, which admittedly are much more changeable, but still have limits, people seem to think anything is possible.0
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