phil robertson suspended from duck dynasty
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I didn't hear exactly what He said. But I keep hearing 1st amendment and all that. Lol. This is NOT a first amendment issue. If you think it is, you might want to go back to school and study up on what the 1st amendment is. Or, go live in a country where you don't have the right to free speech, and you'll find out quickly, what it means.
While anyone can say anything without persecution, sort of, there are consequences to saying certain things. Especially when you spew hate towards a group of people.
While many like to think that homosexuality is wrong or something, the fact is, many of those people are our brothers, sisters, parents, etc, and even though I'm not gay, I take huge offense to bigotry and closed-mindedness. It's not ok. It's not.
If I said something about gays in a derogatory way at work, I would be fired. Just like if I said something about any race or religion. I have the right to say it, but the private company that employs me has the right to have rules that do not discriminate towards others.
It's shameful that people can't just accept what is.
so if i say i dont agree with homosexuality am i a bigot?.....even though i say nothing mean towards anybody?0 -
Just throwing the First Amendment up here for a little bit of edification.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Note the very first word.0 -
your opinion is reflected back on your job when you work in the public eye.
People get fired at my job all the time because of facebook posts spouting opinions the organization does not reflect.
sorry phil, but you got what you asked for........hate/prejudice comments are not protected under freedom of speech
How would you feel if your boss determined that your post just now represented Hatred and Intolerance of Phil Robertson and fired you from your job?
But I agree with you... if your boss decided to do that, he would be within his rights0 -
"Pulls up armchair" "Wait for the god squad to arrive"
Let the games commence0 -
I don't get how they can suspend him from this. I've never seen the show but isn't it like reality tv how can you suspend someone from life. So what are they not going to film him for awhile and not let the others mention him this is the dumbest **** I've ever heard.0
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we are not dealing with the most intelligent people in the world on this forum.....
He's not being thrown in jail, fined or otherwise sanctioned by the government. Try actually reading the First Amendment.Freedom of speech. Where is it??? Last I checked it is still a part of our rights as Americans!
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Freedom of speech. Where is it??? Last I checked it is still a part of our rights as Americans!
Freedom of speech is the freedom to say what you want (which phil did) .. freedom of speech is not the right to say whatever you want without consequences.
...without consequences from the government, like getting your head cut off. It does not dictate private enterprise. They can have their own rules regarding many issues.
Freedom of speech does not necessarily protect from consequences from the government. There are plenty of things that are not constitutionally protected free speech .. but that's not the real point here.
A&E is a private organization. They are just as free to fire him for saying what he said as he is free to say it.0 -
If you think reality TV is in any way, shape or form actually real, well ...I don't get how they can suspend him from this. I've never seen the show but isn't it like reality tv how can you suspend someone from life. So what are they not going to film him for awhile and not let the others mention him this is the dumbest **** I've ever heard.0 -
BS. Nothing that he said was out of line. Hate/prejudice? Sounded more like preference. And the preference of the majority of the human race.
You know that's changed in the states, right?
Also ITT: People who do not understand freedom of speech.0 -
He's not being thrown in jail, fined or otherwise sanctioned by the government. Try actually reading the First Amendment.Freedom of speech. Where is it??? Last I checked it is still a part of our rights as Americans!
This. He has the freedom to say whatever he wants, just like A&E has the right to not want that aired on their network. DJs and news anchors get fired all the time for things they say. I don't know why this is such a big deal.0 -
Freedom of speech. Where is it??? Last I checked it is still a part of our rights as Americans!
Freedom of speech is the freedom to say what you want (which phil did) .. freedom of speech is not the right to say whatever you want without consequences.
...without consequences from the government, like getting your head cut off. It does not dictate private enterprise. They can have their own rules regarding many issues.
Freedom of speech does not necessarily protect from consequences from the government. There are plenty of things that are not constitutionally protected free speech .. but that's not the real point here.
A&E is a private organization. They are just as free to fire him for saying what he said as he is free to say it.
For me the larger issue is that A&E are taking actions against him for 1.) a well known belief that he holds and 2.) an opinion founded in his religious beliefs.
A&E were well aware of this when they signed the paperwork for the show... yet now it's an issue?0 -
I applaud his character and integrity to freely answer the question without the fear or worry of losing his job. What job is worth that sacrifice?
I have to agree with this. He was asked a question. At least he didnn't sugar coat it or create an answer that he thought the public would want to hear. Since the start of the show he has held true to his convictions. I may not agree with his beliefs but I think he is strong to stick with it. These aren't questions that anyone should be asked in the first place. This was a question that is known to stir controversy, to an openly religious man. What did everyone expect?0 -
I've always have and always will believe everybody has their right to state their opinion. I don't care if I agree with it or not, for only with honesty do you know someone's true feelings. The great thing about this country is he with every single one of us still have that right.
Although I personally think its wrong to suspend somebody for answering a question its very common these days & those answers do end careers of many in eyes of the public.
Hell, a lot of us get suspended/banned here for typing our opinions on this site. Its just part of this generation. If I don't like it, I can find another place to voice my opinion.0 -
You know how black people are born black and they kinda, sorta stay black for their entire lives? They can't change it. It's sorta racist to be prejudice against someone who can't change who they are.
Well, it's basically the same thing with gay people. You see, my friends, you cannot pick and choose what gender you are attracted to. You saying you "disagree with the gay lifestyle" is really just some bull****.
When you decided the day you were straight, let me know! I'm sure it was a real difficult decision for you.0 -
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sorry phil, but you got what you asked for........hate/prejudice comments are not protected under freedom of speech
They are. But whats protected is he cant be prosecuted and his liberty and freedom taken from him because of it. All of the other things that society can do: Shun, ignore, fire, cut ties with. Thats all fair game and not protected.
Its kind of like burning a flag. You can burn one if you want to, and the government cant do anything to you about it. But when Cooter sees you doing it and gets pissed and kicks your *kitten* for it. I think thats funny. Goooooo Cooter!0 -
he can't give his opinion based on his beliefs but Kmart guys can shake their junk, a childhood star can swing on a big wrecking ball butt naked....doesn't seem fair at all. SHAME ON A&E0
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Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion unless it is geared toward the beliefs of Christianity or the Bible then it becomes slanderous and hateful. I honestly hope that the Robertson's pull the show from A&E and find another home for it. It is absurd to think that one cannot have their OWN OPINION about the hot topics in the world without it being said they are hateful. I disagree with homosexuality but would never hate on those that choose that lifestyle. I have a hard enough time policing my own life let alone trying to tell anyone else how to live theirs.
can we please not pretend that the views expressed by Mr. Robertson reflect those of all Christians? I, obviously, don't want to get into a religious debate in this forum but I don't think that Christianity is necessarily synonymous with his personal belief structure.0 -
Would a gay man have been suspended from a TV show for voicing his opinion about heterosexuals? No. Yet we can no longer voice dissenting opinions re: homosexuality because it's "hate speech?" It's not like he said "kill all the gays." All he did was voice his opinion that it is wrong.
Thanks to the major media outlets, opinions now don't matter.
Because gay people don't disagree with hetero relationships. :noway:0 -
You know how black people are born black and they kinda, sorta stay black for their entire lives? They can't change it. It's sorta racist to be prejudice against someone who can't change who they are.
Well, it's basically the same thing with gay people. You see, my friends, you cannot pick and choose what gender you are attracted to. You saying you "disagree with the gay lifestyle" is really just some bull****.
When you decided the day you were straight, let me know! I'm sure it was a real difficult decision for you.
**head desk**0 -
I applaud his character and integrity to freely answer the question without the fear or worry of losing his job. What job is worth that sacrifice?
I have to agree with this. He was asked a question. At least he didnn't sugar coat it or create an answer that he thought the public would want to hear. Since the start of the show he has held true to his convictions. I may not agree with his beliefs but I think he is strong to stick with it. These aren't questions that anyone should be asked in the first place. This was a question that is known to stir controversy, to an openly religious man. What did everyone expect?
Totally agree with this as well.0 -
he can't give his opinion based on his beliefs but Kmart guys can shake their junk, a childhood star can swing on a big wrecking ball butt naked....doesn't seem fair at all. SHAME ON A&E
Just because they are based on religion doesn't mean it gives him a free pass.0 -
ONE THOUGHT...OPINIONS ARE LIKE A--HOLES, WE ALL GOT ONE, AND THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.....
I think he allowed his opinion and that is all it is...... last night they said, the show is the top grossing show on tv right now and I know why it is... real people with real opinions....
the A & E network also has the right to do what they think is best for the network..... its their party and they can "cry if they want to"
I guess we all have our own opinions about the comment he made...we can agree or disagree with it... bottom line... as much as i like that show, Phil is playing with their ball so to speak.... so if they want to take their ball and go home, they can....
this has brought so much attention to the media...sure wish other things would create so much uproar.... I wish Phil had said something about all our young military men who are getting killed over seas...... now that there would be something to talk about...
GO Phil Robertson!0 -
You know how black people are born black and they kinda, sorta stay black for their entire lives? They can't change it. It's sorta racist to be prejudice against someone who can't change who they are.
Well, it's basically the same thing with gay people. You see, my friends, you cannot pick and choose what gender you are attracted to. You saying you "disagree with the gay lifestyle" is really just some bull****.
When you decided the day you were straight, let me know! I'm sure it was a real difficult decision for you.
**head desk**
Not really sure why you're head desking my comment. Unless you believe you can choose.0 -
majority doesn't rule anymore.....I hope you are more informed to know that now.BS. Nothing that he said was out of line. Hate/prejudice? Sounded more like preference. And the preference of the majority of the human race.
You say that like it's somehow NOT a bad thing...0 -
Freedom of speech. Where is it??? Last I checked it is still a part of our rights as Americans!
Freedom of speech is the freedom to say what you want (which phil did) .. freedom of speech is not the right to say whatever you want without consequences.
...without consequences from the government, like getting your head cut off. It does not dictate private enterprise. They can have their own rules regarding many issues.
Freedom of speech does not necessarily protect from consequences from the government. There are plenty of things that are not constitutionally protected free speech .. but that's not the real point here.
A&E is a private organization. They are just as free to fire him for saying what he said as he is free to say it.
For me the larger issue is that A&E are taking actions against him for 1.) a well known belief that he holds and 2.) an opinion founded in his religious beliefs.
A&E were well aware of this when they signed the paperwork for the show... yet now it's an issue?
It's an issue now because it has the potential to impact revenue - if advertisers want to pull out over this, suddenly it "matters" .. not supporting that, just recognizing the reality of it.
To recap ..
Phil was free to say it.
A&E was free to terminate him for it
We're free to criticize Phil, A&E, and each other ...0 -
my problem stands with why is one person/organizations view considered right or wrong......why is a gay persons view that homosexuality is right ok but his view that its wrong isnt ok.....just seems un-american to me
Amen brotha.
I agree with this 100%0 -
your opinion is reflected back on your job when you work in the public eye.
People get fired at my job all the time because of facebook posts spouting opinions the organization does not reflect.
sorry phil, but you got what you asked for........hate/prejudice comments are not protected under freedom of speech
The first part of your statement is true, however, it is precisely the type of speech that people find distasteful that IS protected by the constitution, otherwise it wouldn't need protecting.
Aside from that, nothing that Phil said was hateful in the slightest way, and I take issue with anyone who says otherwise. The fact is that we are all being held hostage by the minority in this country, it's okay for Christians to be slandered daily, but God forbid you say something that one of the protected minorities disagrees with. Evidently these people who demand tolerance from everyone else are incapable of the same.
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For me the larger issue is that A&E are taking actions against him for 1.) a well known belief that he holds and 2.) an opinion founded in his religious beliefs.
A&E were well aware of this when they signed the paperwork for the show... yet now it's an issue?
That's my thought, as well. I have never seen the show, but just from everyone in the world talking about it, there's nothing about what he said that is a surprise to me. Anyone who wasn't aware of his views has been living under a rock. I thought that was one of the big draws of the show.
That's why I feel like it's been blown way out of proportion to suit a political agenda.0 -
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