How to measure calories of Haagen Dazs ice cream?

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Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

You know whats sad? Let's say you were correct. I don't believe you are but... I had no idea and this is why I asked for clarification. You've been such an *kitten* from the get go anything you say is without merit. Instead of a potentially interesting discourse you've just blathered on in a crass and offensive manner. The human equivalent of a deflating, spit filled balloon.

Lets get this right... I said nothing to you and yet, you sit here and insult me. I was pointing out where the flaws where in what sara said. Okay, I see what's giong on. What I wrote, wasn't directed to you in anyway. I was just clearing up sara's flaws on the topic to help and support the community better.

What you aren't understanding is that I've read the whole thread. This is not help and support. You are not clearing up anything . What you are engaging in is posturing, baiting and general douche baggery. The fact that you are more then likely a sock completes the unsavory package. I don't know the history of conflict, really much if anything about this board. My opinions are based on your conduct alone.

Okay, here is the help and support you need. Don't do the LBM method, it's wrong. YOU CAN DO IT!

So how much protein should I, a 175 pound male, eat daily?

Depends on your goals, and activity factor.

How about a quick matrix to cover a reasonable range of goals and activity? You know, that would cover 84% of the generally active population.

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Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

You know whats sad? Let's say you were correct. I don't believe you are but... I had no idea and this is why I asked for clarification. You've been such an *kitten* from the get go anything you say is without merit. Instead of a potentially interesting discourse you've just blathered on in a crass and offensive manner. The human equivalent of a deflating, spit filled balloon.

Lets get this right... I said nothing to you and yet, you sit here and insult me. I was pointing out where the flaws where in what sara said. Okay, I see what's giong on. What I wrote, wasn't directed to you in anyway. I was just clearing up sara's flaws on the topic to help and support the community better.

What you aren't understanding is that I've read the whole thread. This is not help and support. You are not clearing up anything . What you are engaging in is posturing, baiting and general douche baggery. The fact that you are more then likely a sock completes the unsavory package. I don't know the history of conflict, really much if anything about this board. My opinions are based on your conduct alone.

Okay, here is the help and support you need. Don't do the LBM method, it's wrong. YOU CAN DO IT!

So how much protein should I, a 175 pound male, eat daily?

Depends on your goals, and activity factor.

How about a quick matrix to cover a reasonable range of goals and activity? You know, that would cover 84% of the generally active population.

Depends on many factors including hunger, fat intake and things of that sort. Generally, I would say 1g per lbs on up if you're reducing body fat. If you're bulking then You can bring it down under 1g per pound, this way you can have more calories with out the satiety effect of protein.

*whips out Vitriol Protection Shield*

Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

Whose rules?

Please cite sources.

I would hate to not give you the chance to credit people appropriately so you do not get accused of bad science or plagiarism. It's for the greater good!

The researches is for when you can't find your ice cream.

Then it's wesearches precioussss....

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Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

Whose rules?

Please cite sources.

I would hate to not give you the chance to credit people appropriately so you do not get accused of bad science or plagiarism. It's for the greater good!

Lyle Mcdonald

We're going to need links to what you are citing.

*whips out Vitriol Protection Shield*

Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

You know whats sad? Let's say you were correct. I don't believe you are but... I had no idea and this is why I asked for clarification. You've been such an *kitten* from the get go anything you say is without merit. Instead of a potentially interesting discourse you've just blathered on in a crass and offensive manner. The human equivalent of a deflating, spit filled balloon.

Lets get this right... I said nothing to you and yet, you sit here and insult me. I was pointing out where the flaws where in what sara said. Okay, I see what's giong on. What I wrote, wasn't directed to you in anyway. I was just clearing up sara's flaws on the topic to help and support the community better.

Public bulletin board means everyone reads and comments brah. Even when it isn't convenient.

So what is your complaint?

Where did I complain? That was you whining.

Pathetic effort.

This is my whining?

You know whats sad? Let's say you were correct. I don't believe you are but... I had no idea and this is why I asked for clarification. You've been such an *kitten* from the get go anything you say is without merit. Instead of a potentially interesting discourse you've just blathered on in a crass and offensive manner. The human equivalent of a deflating, spit filled balloon.

*whips out Vitriol Protection Shield*

Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

You know whats sad? Let's say you were correct. I don't believe you are but... I had no idea and this is why I asked for clarification. You've been such an *kitten* from the get go anything you say is without merit. Instead of a potentially interesting discourse you've just blathered on in a crass and offensive manner. The human equivalent of a deflating, spit filled balloon.

Lets get this right... I said nothing to you and yet, you sit here and insult me. I was pointing out where the flaws where in what sara said. Okay, I see what's giong on. What I wrote, wasn't directed to you in anyway. I was just clearing up sara's flaws on the topic to help and support the community better.

What you aren't understanding is that I've read the whole thread. This is not help and support. You are not clearing up anything . What you are engaging in is posturing, baiting and general douche baggery. The fact that you are more then likely a sock completes the unsavory package. I don't know the history of conflict, really much if anything about this board. My opinions are based on your conduct alone.

Okay, here is the help and support you need. Don't do the LBM method, it's wrong. YOU CAN DO IT!

So how much protein should I, a 175 pound male, eat daily?

Depends on your goals, and activity factor.

How about a quick matrix to cover a reasonable range of goals and activity? You know, that would cover 84% of the generally active population.

Depends on many factors including hunger, fat intake and things of that sort. Generally, I would say 1g per lbs on up if you're reducing body fat. If you're bulking then You can bring it down under 1g per pound, this way you can have more calories with out the satiety effect of protein.

But anything between 87g and 262g (.5g - 1.5g/lb) is fine, right?

And if I'm eating to a number (as I do), why would I care about satiety?

Lets get this right... I said nothing to you and yet, you sit here and insult me. I was pointing out where the flaws where in what sara said. Okay, I see what's giong on. What I wrote, wasn't directed to you in anyway. I was just clearing up sara's flaws on the topic to help and support the community better.

Exhibit A: BroSciencePHD whining.

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Isn't protein intake based on LBM because basing it on current (over)weight isn't really productive. For example if I weighed 245 and wanted to get down to 179 (yes, i said it) there would be no point in eating grams of protein based on 245 pounds.

Am I understanding this correctly?

And, you know, I'm just going to say this out of sheer compulsion. A varied vocabulary is not a sign of arrogance. Deeming people arrogant based on vocabulary sure the **** is. I used a four letter word for general comprehension. Fornication for those not offended by diversity of language.

In my bad science, no nothing opinion, basically, yes, that is correct. Studies generally have not used LBM as the methods for measuring BF% are pretty inaccurate and the more accurate ones were generally cost prohibitive. Quoting g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb to use when giving generic advice that is not catered to the individuals circumstances. You have the same issue with fats as well (a point missed by a certain someone), which is why we note that the rules of thumb are not applicable for very lean or significantly overweight people.

Once again bad logic.
g per LBM is a decent rule of thumb. Getting accurate reading for LBM is too costly. So the general population has no real measure of LBM, so their protein intakes are inaccurate.

The rules for protein intake are 0.5-1.5g per pound. So obese people can use these recommendations. A 600lbs peron can eat 300g of protein a day. This would have a better thermogenic effect than the theoretical LBM method.

So in both instances the LBM method fails.

Whose rules?

Please cite sources.

I would hate to not give you the chance to credit people appropriately so you do not get accused of bad science or plagiarism. It's for the greater good!

Lyle Mcdonald

LMAO. Talk about an appeal to authority. While I am a fan of Lyle's, you really need to do better than that. After all, you were provided with links to an actual peer reviewed study.

How about some links to actual research?

If you're a fan of Lyle's you probbaly have his protein book. Go look up the references in there.

Also:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/protein-intake-while-dieting-qa.html

"While less data on this group is available, bodybuilders and athletes have long used a protein intake of 2.2 g/kg (1 g/lb) lean body mass as a generalized intake level and as folks get very lean, intakes of 3.3 g/kg (1.5 g/lb) of lean body mass may be required to stave off muscle loss while dieting. In some very extreme cases, such as the near protein only diet approach of my own Rapid Fat Loss Handbook even higher protein intakes may be required for very lean individuals.

So basically we have an intake continuum ranging from about 1.5 g/kg (0.68 g/lb) as a minimum for the obese non-training individual up to a high of around 3.3 g/kg (1.5 g/lb) of protein per pound of lean body mass for very lean heavily training athletes or bodybuilders with middle ground values being found in between those two extremes. You’ll note that I didn’t put any of those values in terms of percentages for reasons discussed in Diet Percentages: Part 1 and Diet Percentages: Part 2."

If you are going to use an appeal to authority...at least get it right.

Hmmm...I think I see LBM mentioned.

Also:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/protein-intake-while-dieting-qa.html

"While less data on this group is available, bodybuilders and athletes have long used a protein intake of 2.2 g/kg (1 g/lb) lean body mass as a generalized intake level and as folks get very lean, intakes of 3.3 g/kg (1.5 g/lb) of lean body mass may be required to stave off muscle loss while dieting. In some very extreme cases, such as the near protein only diet approach of my own Rapid Fat Loss Handbook even higher protein intakes may be required for very lean individuals.

So basically we have an intake continuum ranging from about 1.5 g/kg (0.68 g/lb) as a minimum for the obese non-training individual up to a high of around 3.3 g/kg (1.5 g/lb) of protein per pound of lean body mass for very lean heavily training athletes or bodybuilders with middle ground values being found in between those two extremes. You’ll note that I didn’t put any of those values in terms of percentages for reasons discussed in Diet Percentages: Part 1 and Diet Percentages: Part 2."

If you are going to use an appeal to authority...at least get it right.

Hmmm...I think I see LBM mentioned.

Bad logic.