If it is simply calories in and out...

No one is arguing that TEF is meaningless. The argument is that it's a component of the "calories out" for *everyone*. It's important as part of the bigger picture, but not so much in isolation.

So what is it that you're arguing again?

You're the one who said the difference is less than 37 calories between the 2 examples. So I have the same question for you, "What are you arguing?"

Because it was stated that the difference between the two examples was 300 calories. PP was arguing that upping protein will significantly increase thermogenic burn. 37 calories a day is not significant. Hence our confusion as to why he thinks 37 calories is a significant amount. Unless he is arguing that one eat no protein at all vs either one of those examples is about 300 calories...?

My head hurts trying to figure out his point is.

The original discussion on the other topic was that the TEF of protein is insignificant. The person I was discussing this issue with gave an example of a standard diet. He calculated about 200 calories thermogenic effect with a standard diet and said it's insignificant. I claimed the TEF of protein is not insignificant. Both example listed above are my examples. I consume a bit more protein than most people. I consume 1g per pound of total body weight. Doing this I get a thermogenic effect of roughly 300 calories. I then listed an example if I cut down fat a bit down to 20%(this was my second example). That's where the excess 37 calories came from. Yes 37 calories is pretty insignificant.

So we're really comparing 200 calories TEF of a generic body building diet, and my higher protein diet which has a TEF of 300 calories. 300 calories is a cardio session for many people.

The point is, TEF of food are not insignificant.

So we're really comparing 200 calories TEF of a generic body building diet, and my higher protein diet which has a TEF of 300 calories. 300 calories is a cardio session for many people.

The point is, TEF of food are not insignificant.

200 calories is a cardio session for many people, too.

The difference between 300 and 200 is 100. Because math.

If gravity is true then why don't clouds fall?

total zen moment

NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!

JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?

NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!

JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?

yes....

NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!

JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?

yes....

ummm can you say stalker??? You think i don't know who you are? Seriously, get a life and stop obsessing over my posts!!

This is a public forum. She can post where she likes after who she likes. People will post in the same topic because it tends to pop up on the side under recent forum topics.

And you might want to review the Community Guidelines :flowerforyou:

NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!

JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?

yes....

ummm can you say stalker??? You think i don't know who you are? Seriously, get a life and stop obsessing over my posts!!

I couldn't decide between


and

so I went with both.

Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!

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Ummm...maybe you should take the drama off the forums.

Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!

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Ummm...maybe you should take the drama off the forums.

QFT!

Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!

:huh:

Ummm...maybe you should take the drama off the forums.

umm maybe you should upload some real photos of yourself to validate any pointless opinions you have.

I can't decide if you 1) are really new at how this internet forum thing works, or 2) know *exactly* how it works and getting the response you want.

Honestly, I'm good either way, because they're both entertaining...

...at least until a mod sends you a friendly PM explaining the various ways you ran afoul of the CG (all hail).