If it is simply calories in and out...
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You're the one who said the difference is less than 37 calories between the 2 examples. So I have the same question for you, "What are you arguing?"
No one is arguing that TEF is meaningless. The argument is that it's a component of the "calories out" for *everyone*. It's important as part of the bigger picture, but not so much in isolation.
So what is it that you're arguing again?
Because it was stated that the difference between the two examples was 300 calories. PP was arguing that upping protein will significantly increase thermogenic burn. 37 calories a day is not significant. Hence our confusion as to why he thinks 37 calories is a significant amount. Unless he is arguing that one eat no protein at all vs either one of those examples is about 300 calories...?
My head hurts trying to figure out his point is.
The original discussion on the other topic was that the TEF of protein is insignificant. The person I was discussing this issue with gave an example of a standard diet. He calculated about 200 calories thermogenic effect with a standard diet and said it's insignificant. I claimed the TEF of protein is not insignificant. Both example listed above are my examples. I consume a bit more protein than most people. I consume 1g per pound of total body weight. Doing this I get a thermogenic effect of roughly 300 calories. I then listed an example if I cut down fat a bit down to 20%(this was my second example). That's where the excess 37 calories came from. Yes 37 calories is pretty insignificant.
So we're really comparing 200 calories TEF of a generic body building diet, and my higher protein diet which has a TEF of 300 calories. 300 calories is a cardio session for many people.
The point is, TEF of food are not insignificant.0 -
Nope, because gravity is just a myth.Do two people falling from the top of the same building have exactly the same results?0 -
200 calories is a cardio session for many people, too.So we're really comparing 200 calories TEF of a generic body building diet, and my higher protein diet which has a TEF of 300 calories. 300 calories is a cardio session for many people.
The point is, TEF of food are not insignificant.
The difference between 300 and 200 is 100. Because math.0 -
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If gravity is true then why don't clouds fall?
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Why do we not all gain/lose weight at the same rate?
so you are saying a 200 pound male and a 160 pound female will require the same amount of calories in and out…?0 -
NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?0 -
NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
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NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
yes....
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NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
lol...I actually didn't mean to type out that whole thing in caps...I realized half way through and there was no turning back.0 -
NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
yes....
ummm can you say stalker??? You think i don't know who you are? Seriously, get a life and stop obsessing over my posts!!
This is a public forum. She can post where she likes after who she likes. People will post in the same topic because it tends to pop up on the side under recent forum topics.
And you might want to review the Community Guidelines :flowerforyou:0 -
If every pork chop was perfect. . .0
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NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
yes....
ummm can you say stalker??? You think i don't know who you are? Seriously, get a life and stop obsessing over my posts!!
I couldn't decide between
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so I went with both.0 -
Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!0
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Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!
:huh:
Ummm...maybe you should take the drama off the forums.0 -
NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
yes....
ummm can you say stalker??? You think i don't know who you are? Seriously, get a life and stop obsessing over my posts!!
I couldn't decide between
and
so I went with both.
:laugh: :laugh: Good choice!0 -
Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!
:huh:
Ummm...maybe you should take the drama off the forums.
QFT!0 -
Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!
I see you are in Canada. You may want to familiarize yourself with the Criminal Harassment section of the Criminal Code. I assure you it does not cover posting in the same threads on an open forum.0 -
Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!
:huh:
Ummm...maybe you should take the drama off the forums.
umm maybe you should upload some real photos of yourself to validate any pointless opinions you have.
I can't decide if you 1) are really new at how this internet forum thing works, or 2) know *exactly* how it works and getting the response you want.
Honestly, I'm good either way, because they're both entertaining...
...at least until a mod sends you a friendly PM explaining the various ways you ran afoul of the CG (all hail).0 -
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Umm technically, legally, she cant. So mind your own business!!!
I see you are in Canada. You may want to familiarize yourself with the Criminal Harassment section of the Criminal Code. I assure you it does not cover posting in the same threads on an open forum.
You may want to get your law degree before you comment on something you know nothing about
This may be my favorite thing all day.0 -
I AM NOT A FONT.0
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NO I DONT THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS CALORIES IN AND OUT. GENETICS HAVE A HUGE PART TO PLAY IN A LOT OF PHYSICAL FACTORS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT IS A FOOL AND A BOLD FACED LIAR!
JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL THIS/TYPE IN CAPS AND SAY THAT IT ISN'T TRUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!
Seriously. Is this how you hold a discussion? People that disagree with you are automatically fools and liars?
lol...I actually didn't mean to type out that whole thing in caps...I realized half way through and there was no turning back.
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Weight loss is simply calories in vs out. End of story.0
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You're the one who said the difference is less than 37 calories between the 2 examples. So I have the same question for you, "What are you arguing?"
No one is arguing that TEF is meaningless. The argument is that it's a component of the "calories out" for *everyone*. It's important as part of the bigger picture, but not so much in isolation.
So what is it that you're arguing again?
Because it was stated that the difference between the two examples was 300 calories. PP was arguing that upping protein will significantly increase thermogenic burn. 37 calories a day is not significant. Hence our confusion as to why he thinks 37 calories is a significant amount. Unless he is arguing that one eat no protein at all vs either one of those examples is about 300 calories...?
My head hurts trying to figure out his point is.
The original discussion on the other topic was that the TEF of protein is insignificant. The person I was discussing this issue with gave an example of a standard diet. He calculated about 200 calories thermogenic effect with a standard diet and said it's insignificant. I claimed the TEF of protein is not insignificant. Both example listed above are my examples. I consume a bit more protein than most people. I consume 1g per pound of total body weight. Doing this I get a thermogenic effect of roughly 300 calories. I then listed an example if I cut down fat a bit down to 20%(this was my second example). That's where the excess 37 calories came from. Yes 37 calories is pretty insignificant.
So we're really comparing 200 calories TEF of a generic body building diet, and my higher protein diet which has a TEF of 300 calories. 300 calories is a cardio session for many people.
The point is, TEF of food are not insignificant.
Okay but that's not at all what you said, and this seems to be a conversation from another thread. It shouldn't be a shock that no one gathered your meaning, since that's not the argument that was being made here. No one was saying TEF was insignificant (that I saw) just that more protein doesn't make a huge difference. Your examples seem to illustrate that point rather well.0 -
Calories in:
- proper measurement of food, including weighing everything that goes into your mouth
- accounting for beverages other than water
- candies, gum
- snacks
- under estimating of calories consumed (especially when dining out, or eating at potluck dinners)
Calories out:
- sedentary vs lightly active vs very active - what does this mean and where do I fit any given day
- energy burned doing stairs, walking around, dancing, walking from car to building and back
- fidgeting burns calories
- sleeping burns calories
- how my body metabolizes certain foods, impacts of allergies (some foods go straight through)
- how much did I REALLY burn at boxing? how about chasing my kids around the house? Or shoveling snow?
If I knew exactly the value of every variable, it IS indeed simply calories in vs out.
But I guestimate. A lot.
I need to be sure I am guestimating conservatively. And monitor.
If I gain weight, I need to adjust one of the sides. I tend to like to adjust on the calories out side, because I sooooo love calories in.0 -
For those of you who say "weight is simply calories in and out" I have another complicating factor.
Salicylate found in fruit and veg and aspirin pills. It does not cause everyone problems but for those who it does it is ultimately debilitating. I am on my way from the poorest of health to the better. Weight continues to be an issue for me and will be until I can control my environment.
Some may mock the people who line their houses with tin foil and move into the country as far away from large populations, to be somewhere where their tinnitus is no longer a problem for them. Until you experience the bad things which can, and do happen because of salicylate sensitivity, multiple chemical sensitivity, or similar, please do not assume you know it all.
I know I don't know enough, which is why I am reading as much as I can in the hope of improving my health even further.0
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