I heard they cancelled school in Florida today

vtmoon · January 2014

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As far as witnessing someone get picked on for doing this, yes. I remember 3 instances and one of them I felt really bad because I partook in the making fun of the person for applying sunscreen in Jamaica on a day I thought was pleasant (it was mid 80s) . It was my roommate at the time and he is from Irish decent and even with the sunscreen and the sun being not very hot, he was bright red by the end of the day and it made the rest of his trip a little bit rough. Also had it happen at Cape Town, our tour guide explicitly laughed and said put that away you don't need it today in such a beautiful day (it was high 90s). Last and most recent time was in Kenya when I was there for work and I put some on my face and neck got questioned about why did I need it (it was over 100).

So people who don't understand how the sun works were making fun of people who do.

Gotcha.

The same way someone from Iowa doesn't understand what a little cold can do to someone in Florida. Glad we made a full circle to the original point...

Seriously though. Explain to me again how the "temperature" determines whether or not someone gets sunburn.

Several people (including myself) have pointed out the flaws in your argument.

Hotter temperature tend to happen when a lot of UV rays are getting to your location on the planet, the more UV rays hitting your skin the more likely you will get burned by those rays. I've been saying this all along temperature is a good indicator.

JoRocka · January 2014

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In the Antarctic you are pretty much walking on a mirror that isn't absorbing as much of the UV rays and reflecting them back up.

Right there you just knocked your position, that likely hood of sunburn has to do with high temperatures, right out of the water. :huh:

Do you know what my position is?

You have stated several times that the hotter it is, the stronger the sun is.

Well, let me tell you about New York state, where in the summer, one day it can be 100 degrees and the next, it's 30. And the sun can be out both days.

You're telling me that in the course of 24 hours, the sun's intensity has decreased so much that the temperatures dropped 70 degrees? Oh, and on day 3, it might be back up to 100. The earth is doing some serious acrobatics on its journey through space, I guess.

You were trying to point out that temperature has nothing to do with using sunscreen and I was saying it was a decent indicator to help you determine if you might need it or not. The hotter it is mean chances are less UV rays are being blocked which means your skin will need extra protection vs when it is cooler weather. Hence, the cooler term is relative to where you live, which in part affects when you apply sunscreen if at all.

That's absolutely rubbish- you can burn on a cloudy day- happens all the time in the desert.

I worked construction for 5 years in the the North East- I used sunscreen year round- you know why BECAUSE YOU BURN WHEN IT"S COLD JUST AS MUCH AS WHEN IT"S HOT.

You're not being trolled- we are just pointing out how incredibly wrong you are.

PS people with lots of meletonin- they burn too.

just_Jennie1 · January 2014

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As far as witnessing someone get picked on for doing this, yes. I remember 3 instances and one of them I felt really bad because I partook in the making fun of the person for applying sunscreen in Jamaica on a day I thought was pleasant (it was mid 80s) . It was my roommate at the time and he is from Irish decent and even with the sunscreen and the sun being not very hot, he was bright red by the end of the day and it made the rest of his trip a little bit rough. Also had it happen at Cape Town, our tour guide explicitly laughed and said put that away you don't need it today in such a beautiful day (it was high 90s). Last and most recent time was in Kenya when I was there for work and I put some on my face and neck got questioned about why did I need it (it was over 100).

So people who don't understand how the sun works were making fun of people who do.

Gotcha.

The same way someone from Iowa doesn't understand what a little cold can do to someone in Florida. Glad we made a full circle to the original point...

Seriously though. Explain to me again how the "temperature" determines whether or not someone gets sunburn.

Several people (including myself) have pointed out the flaws in your argument.

Hotter temperature tend to happen when a lot of UV rays are getting to your location on the planet, the more UV rays hitting your skin the more likely you will get burned by those rays. I've been saying this all along temperature is a good indicator.

Okay. Given the above statement then explain to me how people get sunburned when it's overcast out and the sun isn't shining? I have been on the beach when it is chilly out and it is overcast and I've gotten sunburn. Explain to me how this is possible if, according to you, it's cold out and the UV rays are being blocked by clouds.

MissingMinnesota · January 2014

they had 2 hour delays in Charlotte, Nc this morning because it was in the single digits. While I live in Charlotte, I'm from Central PA so this 2 hour delay deal confused me. I posed it on FB and the main reason, it seems, is that they were uncertain if the buses would start. In the mountains they cancelled schools completely.

I put it out on facebook because the buses never seemed to have a problem starting up when I was a kid. I don't know how legit it is but one of my friends said that the northern buses have some sort of an engine block heater.

Another friend said that the greatest concern is really for the kids standing out at the bus stops or walking to school because most people just aren't properly prepared for cold weather. This isn't just a matter of choosing when purchasing winter gear, but also what's available in stores. My 4 year old has to be layered because not only is a puffy coat impractical down here 363 days a year, they're difficult to find in stores (along with mittens thicker than paper, snow boots . . . what's snow?, and an actually warm hat).

This. I live in the county south of charlotte and they didn't delay the schools and someone I know said that she was waiting with her son in her car at the bus stop and after the bus was late by 5 minutes she called the schools and they had a hard time starting so the busses were running a hour late. They were going to let the kids stand outside in 8 degree (-5 with windchill) weather for over an hour waiting for the bus. She ended up having them all call their parents to let them know she was taking them to school instead of them waiting for the bus.

rml_16 · January 2014

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In the Antarctic you are pretty much walking on a mirror that isn't absorbing as much of the UV rays and reflecting them back up.

Right there you just knocked your position, that likely hood of sunburn has to do with high temperatures, right out of the water. :huh:

Do you know what my position is?

You have stated several times that the hotter it is, the stronger the sun is.

Well, let me tell you about New York state, where in the summer, one day it can be 100 degrees and the next, it's 30. And the sun can be out both days.

You're telling me that in the course of 24 hours, the sun's intensity has decreased so much that the temperatures dropped 70 degrees? Oh, and on day 3, it might be back up to 100. The earth is doing some serious acrobatics on its journey through space, I guess.

You were trying to point out that temperature has nothing to do with using sunscreen and I was saying it was a decent indicator to help you determine if you might need it or not. The hotter it is mean chances are less UV rays are being blocked which means your skin will need extra protection vs when it is cooler weather. Hence, the cooler term is relative to where you live, which in part affects when you apply sunscreen if at all.

When I lived in NY and it was 90, I could get away with SPF 15. At that same time of my life, I went to the Bahamas and it was 90 and I burned through SPF 45.

Same temperature, but the sun in the Bahamas was stronger than in NY.

Do I agree that the sun in stronger in certain parts of the world? Sure. And I also agree that when you live in those places, your skin becomes more accustomed to it.

But temperature has nothing to do with it and people (even dark-skinned people) still need sunscreen to avoid burning.

As for your earlier comment about tan vs. burn, you certainly feel better with a tan, but the sun damage is the same.

ElliottTN · January 2014

It was 10 when I got moving this morning. Schools in Memphis are closed. Cities like ours are not prepared to deal with that low of a temperature. Most of the inner city school kids do not have proper clothes in a normal winter for us, make it actually really cold around here and it could be a dangerous situation for ten just waiting on the school buses.

Btw, screw this crap, this is why I could never live up north. I also never understood the appeal of those bragging about how miserably cold it is where they live like its a badge of honor.

"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

Serah87 · January 2014

Im in Ga. It was 3* this morning in my little town. It was 19 in Anchorage AK. We are not equiped for this type of weather. Seems like I remember a bunch of Northeners having heat strokes a few years back when their temps got up in the 90's and low 100's. People grow accustom to their environment. It doesn't make us silly, it makes us adaptable.

Yep. This. :happy:

Followingsea · January 2014

Hot temperatures are correlated with sunburns more than cold temperatures because in hot temperatures you're less likely to be bundled up (especially at the beach) and you're more likely to be spending extended time out-of-doors in the daytime. They are not causative.

MissingMinnesota · January 2014

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As far as witnessing someone get picked on for doing this, yes. I remember 3 instances and one of them I felt really bad because I partook in the making fun of the person for applying sunscreen in Jamaica on a day I thought was pleasant (it was mid 80s) . It was my roommate at the time and he is from Irish decent and even with the sunscreen and the sun being not very hot, he was bright red by the end of the day and it made the rest of his trip a little bit rough. Also had it happen at Cape Town, our tour guide explicitly laughed and said put that away you don't need it today in such a beautiful day (it was high 90s). Last and most recent time was in Kenya when I was there for work and I put some on my face and neck got questioned about why did I need it (it was over 100).

So people who don't understand how the sun works were making fun of people who do.

Gotcha.

The same way someone from Iowa doesn't understand what a little cold can do to someone in Florida. Glad we made a full circle to the original point...

Seriously though. Explain to me again how the "temperature" determines whether or not someone gets sunburn.

Several people (including myself) have pointed out the flaws in your argument.

Hotter temperature tend to happen when a lot of UV rays are getting to your location on the planet, the more UV rays hitting your skin the more likely you will get burned by those rays. I've been saying this all along temperature is a good indicator.

You have never been sunburned while sking before then I take it.

rml_16 · January 2014

"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

rml_16 · January 2014

Hot temperatures are correlated with sunburns more than cold temperatures because in hot temperatures you're less likely to be bundled up (especially at the beach) and you're more likely to be spending extended time out-of-doors in the daytime. They are not causative.

Begone with your logic!

just_Jennie1 · January 2014

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"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

Ever heard of the Penguin Plunge? I've seen people jump into lakes when it's way colder than that.

Insane if you ask me!

vtmoon · January 2014

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In the Antarctic you are pretty much walking on a mirror that isn't absorbing as much of the UV rays and reflecting them back up.

Right there you just knocked your position, that likely hood of sunburn has to do with high temperatures, right out of the water. :huh:

Do you know what my position is?

You have stated several times that the hotter it is, the stronger the sun is.

Well, let me tell you about New York state, where in the summer, one day it can be 100 degrees and the next, it's 30. And the sun can be out both days.

You're telling me that in the course of 24 hours, the sun's intensity has decreased so much that the temperatures dropped 70 degrees? Oh, and on day 3, it might be back up to 100. The earth is doing some serious acrobatics on its journey through space, I guess.

You were trying to point out that temperature has nothing to do with using sunscreen and I was saying it was a decent indicator to help you determine if you might need it or not. The hotter it is mean chances are less UV rays are being blocked which means your skin will need extra protection vs when it is cooler weather. Hence, the cooler term is relative to where you live, which in part affects when you apply sunscreen if at all.

Okay. Given the above statement then explain to me how people get sunburned when it's overcast out and the sun isn't shining? I have been on the beach when it is chilly out and it is overcast and I've gotten sunburn. Explain to me how this is possible if, according to you, it's cold out and the UV rays are being blocked by clouds.

Actually, the clouds are said to make it worse compared to a clear sky due to UV-B bouncing around and causing refraction ( instead just the sun UV-B rays hitting you, the whole clouded area is bouncing some towards you). As far as your question goes, the clouds are water they don't stop UV rays, you are still getting hit by those rays, and if enough hit your skin, again it will cause a sunburn.

The original point that started all this was, higher temperature is a good indicator of needing to use sunscreen in warm parts of the world because they tend to not need to use sunscreen when it is cooler because their skin is used to it. So when someone uses sunscreen at the weather they are used to, to them that is considered odd because it is out of the ordinary.

Followingsea · January 2014

It was 10 when I got moving this morning. Schools in Memphis are closed. Cities like ours are not prepared to deal with that low of a temperature. Most of the inner city school kids do not have proper clothes in a normal winter for us, make it actually really cold around here and it could be a dangerous situation for ten just waiting on the school buses.

Btw, screw this crap, this is why I could never live up north. I also never understood the appeal of those bragging about how miserably cold it is where they live like its a badge of honor.

"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

Not just kids waiting for school buses, but black ice/minor snowfall is a HUGE concern for communities that don't regularly get that kind of weather. I live in CT and we got a couple inches randomly this morning, and I still was out and about in the least snow-friendly vehicle ever, because the plows and salt/sand trucks had been out and done a few passes. They did this because we allot $30 million a year on our snow removal budget. We do this because we have to.

For Atlanta or Memphis or Gainesville or whatever to do this would be so fiscally irresponsible it would be downright criminal. If you don't have the need to spend thirty million on snow removal, you DON'T, because you won't use it. A fully outfitted plow truck is somewhere around $150 thousand. If you don't get snow, you use that money elsewhere.

BamaBreezeNSaltAire · January 2014

It was 10 when I got moving this morning. Schools in Memphis are closed. Cities like ours are not prepared to deal with that low of a temperature. Most of the inner city school kids do not have proper clothes in a normal winter for us, make it actually really cold around here and it could be a dangerous situation for ten just waiting on the school buses.

Btw, screw this crap, this is why I could never live up north. I also never understood the appeal of those bragging about how miserably cold it is where they live like its a badge of honor.

"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

:flowerforyou: Always love what you have to say Elliot!

rml_16 · January 2014

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"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

Ever heard of the Penguin Plunge? I've seen people jump into lakes when it's way colder than that.

Insane if you ask me!

Well, yeah (though I've always heard it called a polar bear plunge), but it's not like people are regularly hanging around the pool sipping mai tais and relaxing in those temps. And the plunge is a quick in and out. Otherwise, they'd all die!

JoRocka · January 2014

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"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

When my best friend from the was deployed- she came back and froze her *kitten* off in 60* weather. Even 70 was cold for her.

Like someone else said- it doesn't make them silly- it' makes us adaptable. We get used to our environment.

rml_16 · January 2014

The original point that started all this was, higher temperature is a good indicator of needing to use sunscreen in warm parts of the world because they tend to not need to use sunscreen when it is cooler because their skin is used to it.

And not one word of that is correct,

rml_16 · January 2014

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"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

When my best friend from the was deployed- she came back and froze her *kitten* off in 60* weather. Even 70 was cold for her.

Like someone else said- it doesn't make them silly- it' makes us adaptable. We get used to our environment.

I have lived in a tropical climate for nine years. Someone who is cold enough in 70 degrees to wear a winter coat should have her thyroid checked.

vtmoon · January 2014

Hot temperatures are correlated with sunburns more than cold temperatures because in hot temperatures you're less likely to be bundled up (especially at the beach) and you're more likely to be spending extended time out-of-doors in the daytime. They are not causative.

Everyone is missing the point where I say hot temperature is a good indicator for people in warm weather to use sunscreen...

You get burned due to UV rays hitting your skin, in Antarctica like people pointed out your face is getting burned because it is the most exposed to those rays. In the beach you are getting burned because your body is less clothed and more exposed to the UV rays.

In a warm weather area go and spend a full day during the winter naked on a beach all day and let me know how bad was your sunburn. I think at this point I might as well just throw my hands up because I seem to be saying the world is round to the wrong crowd.:explode:

just_Jennie1 · January 2014

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

In Mexico when it gets down into the 80's and it's breezy they are bundling up with jackets. I've seen some people wearing winter coats when it dips below 80.

I'm always freezing in any temperature below 75.

vtmoon · January 2014

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The original point that started all this was, higher temperature is a good indicator of needing to use sunscreen in warm parts of the world because they tend to not need to use sunscreen when it is cooler because their skin is used to it.

And not one word of that is correct,

lol, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.

just_Jennie1 · January 2014

In a warm weather area go and spend a full day during the winter naked on a beach all day and let me know how bad was your sunburn. I think at this point I might as well just throw my hands up because I seem to be saying the world is round to the wrong crowd

Been there, done that. Didn't get burned.

Jersey_Devil · January 2014

this explains why florida has a hanging chad problem.

Followingsea · January 2014

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"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

When my best friend from the was deployed- she came back and froze her *kitten* off in 60* weather. Even 70 was cold for her.

Like someone else said- it doesn't make them silly- it' makes us adaptable. We get used to our environment.

I have lived in a tropical climate for nine years. Someone who is cold enough in 70 degrees to wear a winter coat should have her thyroid checked.

You adapt back fast, but that happened to a friend. He was deployed to an area where the daily average temp was over 115 for weeks at a time. Then one night a weird cold front rolled in and the temp dropped down to 80. His squad was FREEZING, he said they all were huddled together for warmth.

rml_16 · January 2014

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In a warm weather area go and spend a full day during the winter naked on a beach all day and let me know how bad was your sunburn. I think at this point I might as well just throw my hands up because I seem to be saying the world is round to the wrong crowd

Been there, done that. Didn't get burned.

Nothing about temperature: http://www2.epa.gov/sunwise/calculating-uv-index
http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/uvradiation.pdf

"The sun’s angle varies with the seasons, causing the intensity of UV rays to change. UV intensity tends to be highest in the summer."

Danny_Boy13 · January 2014

30 deg is below freezing and with that part of the country having more moisture then most others ice will be a big factor. People in the south do not know how to deal with ice on the roads.

So I think it was more from a stand point about ice on the road over just cold

vtmoon · January 2014

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In a warm weather area go and spend a full day during the winter naked on a beach all day and let me know how bad was your sunburn. I think at this point I might as well just throw my hands up because I seem to be saying the world is round to the wrong crowd

Been there, done that. Didn't get burned.

Yet you aren't following my point?

rml_16 · January 2014

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"Hehehe...dumb rednecks think 23 is cold. It was -45 here yesterday and my eye balls froze open when I stepped outside. They don't know anything about the cold. I go swimming when its 23 out." <-- like WTF is that? That sounds miserable, you need to stop bragging and move somewhere that your balls won't instantly freeze off if your pants accidentally fall down.

No one goes swimming when it's 23. Those people are idiots.

I do laugh at Floridians in their winter coats and scarves when it's 70 out. I mean, seriously???

But 23 is cold. I don't care where you live.

When my best friend from the was deployed- she came back and froze her *kitten* off in 60* weather. Even 70 was cold for her.

Like someone else said- it doesn't make them silly- it' makes us adaptable. We get used to our environment.

I have lived in a tropical climate for nine years. Someone who is cold enough in 70 degrees to wear a winter coat should have her thyroid checked.

You adapt back fast, but that happened to a friend. He was deployed to an area where the daily average temp was over 115 for weeks at a time. Then one night a weird cold front rolled in and the temp dropped down to 80. His squad was FREEZING, he said they all were huddled together for warmth.

Humidity has a lot to do with it, too. A dry 80 is cooler than a humid 80. But in all the years I've lived in FL, if it's 80, there is a lot more humidity than in the desert.

comrade_questions · January 2014

Military training day canceled a bit ago in TX because it was 28

Shoot, in Maine, we had to wait until it was at least -20!

I heard they cancelled school in Florida today

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