Evil Subway - Read this if you eat at there!

Funny when I tried to tell people what I learned about the food from working there for 3 years I was hissed at and shunned here.

Like I get its time saving to run in a get a sandwich made...and we all eat out on occasion. But I disagree with is the advertising...its not a healthier choice. Its the lies that tick me off.

Yeah I used to work there too, gross. Like the chicken is 'chicken product' not actual pieces of chicken and at our store everything was constantly expired, just with new labels.

You know that if you worked there, and knew about these things and didn't report it or do anything about it, that makes you complicit, right?

And to offer a contending view, someone who said they were a health inspector (and I've no more reason to disbelieve that than to disbelieve you worked at Subway, before you start) has said on MFP before that Subway has the freshest produce your ever likely to find simply because of their massive turnover.

So there you have it. Two diametrically opposite view points from two sources whose credibility is impossible to verify. That got us a long way.

If not legally complicit than morally so, and yes I reported them, and lost my job there as a result, it was dumb because they only required handwritten labels on prepared food, i.e. food that was ready to be served, so the labels were up to standard when they had the surprise inspection. And when I reported to Subway I lost my job, they came back that I had not been fired, (my hours had been cut to 0 but I had not been fired) I did not want to work there and it wasn't worth my time to fight about it.

Subways produce was moderately fresh, we went through lettuce and tomatoes regularly so those were always fine, it was the mayo, lunch meats, soups etc that were expired.

That's not lying. The nutritional info is crystal clear.

Ya you guys run with that...I'm not interested in splitting hairs and talking circles. But one thing that is shady subway often will list their nutrional information with lovely little tiny print disclaimers on the bottom ...where you find out that cheese and sauce are not included (which in the picture they will show it with cheese and sauce and still right beside list the cals that don't includ items in picture) I got a coffee from mcdonalds the other day and yes there was a picture of egg mcmuffin...for a certain amount of cals...guess what it included the cheese which was shown in picture no disclaimer ...I realize they aren't the only fast food place that does this...but trust me out of alot of fast food places they are guity of it ALOT...reason is they want to be like there old moto "choose well" well ya there make sure you read the small print so you will "choose well"

When subway puts that disclaimer yes it is being deceiving. Its making them look better...they are banking on the fact that a person will see this delish sub with cheese and not notice that they are actually not getting that sandwich with cheese for that amount of cals.

OK, well someone has not yet taught you to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying.

I work at Subway and eat there as well.

I will say that we NEVER have expired product. It expires- it goes in the trash, ASAP. Labels are very important and you can be written up if you do not label things- that is the only way to know if it is expired or not...or even when it was made. If something even looks gross (a slightly mushy tomato, a green pepper with a brown spot) it goes in the trash, regardless of when the expiry date is.

Produce is brought in fresh 2x per week and does expire as well, can't really vouch for the amount of chemicals used before it is dropped off, but most of the vegetables are the same grade you could find at a grocery store.

Yep, bread is frozen... then thawed, proofed, and baked. If you note that any time you are at subway, it says 9 grain, not whole wheat. On our ptt sheets, it literally says "white" and "brown" for bread types. If anyone really thinks that we mix the ingredients, roll out the dough, and cook it in one of those stores ... you cray. Has anyone ever SEEN the prep area of a subway?!

There are lower CALORIE options at subway... are they necessarily "healthy"? No, but it is FAST FOOD. You are not going to get low carb, low sodium, low sugar, low whatever from fast food. Make it yourself if you want those things ALL the time.

I enjoy a 6" turkey sandwich a couple of times a week, no cheese, loaded up with lettuce, cucumber, a couple of pickles, and some honey mustard. I actually remove the "stuffing" inside the bread so that it is just the bun shell.

All fast food is "evil" if you really want it to be

When I smell a subway it make me nauseous. Subway=Fast food and if you're trying to live a healthier lifestyle, you should avoid it.

Riiiight. Or I could just make sure it fits into my day and load up my sammich with veggies. Or will that kill me?

Hey, DO YOU!

Your missing my point...and no they don't flash it around that its not part of the sandwich. I'm just saying that for just your regular person that isn't sitting there investigating all that information and trying to choosing what they think is a healthier choice and going merely by marketing...subway is hoping you will think they are healthier.

I just looked around their site, and the only sandwiches they show cheese on are the ones that come with it and have it included in the nutritional info.

For instance, hit the site and then go to their list of "fresh fit choices." They're all shown without cheese or dressing. If you click "all sandwiches" you'll see the only ones pictured with cheese are ones that have "cheese" or "melt" in the name.

I think you're manufacturing a controversy where none exists.

Ya you guys run with that...I'm not interested in splitting hairs and talking circles. But one thing that is shady subway often will list their nutrional information with lovely little tiny print disclaimers on the bottom ...where you find out that cheese and sauce are not included (which in the picture they will show it with cheese and sauce and still right beside list the cals that don't includ items in picture) I got a coffee from mcdonalds the other day and yes there was a picture of egg mcmuffin...for a certain amount of cals...guess what it included the cheese...I realize they aren't the only fast food place that does this...but trust me out of alot of fast food places they are guity of it ALOT...reason is they want to be like there old moto "choose well" well ya there make sure you read the small print so you will "choose well"

When subway puts that disclaimer yes it is being deceiving. Its making them look better...they are banking on the fact that a person will see this delish sub with cheese and not notice that they are actually not getting that sandwich with cheese for that amount of cals.

You know that cheese is optional on their sandwiches, right? And not standard as presented? And that it doesn't show up even in the pictures unless it's a integral part of the sandwich - in which case it's included in the nutrition information. They are required to give you the nutrition information for the sandwiches they advertise - not for every possible permutation you can think of.

It's not Subway's fault if you are unable to grasp this relatively simple premise.

Your missing my point...and no they don't flash it around that its not part of the sandwich. I'm just saying that for just your regular person that isn't sitting there investigating all that information and trying to choosing what they think is a healthier choice and going merely by marketing...subway is hoping you will think they are healthier.

What the heck would you have them do?

So we've established that they never say they are healthier. We've established that they present the nutrition information for their sandwiches precisely as they are prepared as standard. And if you ask for the sub as standard, it will be prepared without cheese or mayo.

Now apparently you want them put up signs saying By the way we aren't any healthier than McDonald's or something?

Seriously what is it that you would like Subway to change?

Ya you guys run with that...I'm not interested in splitting hairs and talking circles. But one thing that is shady subway often will list their nutrional information with lovely little tiny print disclaimers on the bottom ...where you find out that cheese and sauce are not included (which in the picture they will show it with cheese and sauce and still right beside list the cals that don't includ items in picture) I got a coffee from mcdonalds the other day and yes there was a picture of egg mcmuffin...for a certain amount of cals...guess what it included the cheese which was shown in picture no disclaimer ...I realize they aren't the only fast food place that does this...but trust me out of alot of fast food places they are guity of it ALOT...reason is they want to be like there old moto "choose well" well ya there make sure you read the small print so you will "choose well"

When subway puts that disclaimer yes it is being deceiving. Its making them look better...they are banking on the fact that a person will see this delish sub with cheese and not notice that they are actually not getting that sandwich with cheese for that amount of cals.

OK, well someone has not yet taught you to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying.

And there is it OK, well someone has not yet taught YOU to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying.

Clearly I do read the fine print. But I have empathy for those that don't...so sue me.

And there it is, the assumption that everyone else is an idiot and needs protecting.

Ya you guys run with that...I'm not interested in splitting hairs and talking circles. But one thing that is shady subway often will list their nutrional information with lovely little tiny print disclaimers on the bottom ...where you find out that cheese and sauce are not included (which in the picture they will show it with cheese and sauce and still right beside list the cals that don't includ items in picture) I got a coffee from mcdonalds the other day and yes there was a picture of egg mcmuffin...for a certain amount of cals...guess what it included the cheese which was shown in picture no disclaimer ...I realize they aren't the only fast food place that does this...but trust me out of alot of fast food places they are guity of it ALOT...reason is they want to be like there old moto "choose well" well ya there make sure you read the small print so you will "choose well"

When subway puts that disclaimer yes it is being deceiving. Its making them look better...they are banking on the fact that a person will see this delish sub with cheese and not notice that they are actually not getting that sandwich with cheese for that amount of cals.

OK, well someone has not yet taught you to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying.

And there is it OK, well someone has not yet taught YOU to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying.

Clearly I do read the fine print. But I have empathy for those that don't...so sue me.

And there it is, the assumption that everyone else is an idiot and needs protecting.

Yup! The nanny poster!

Subway is evil because it taste like poop. End of story.
I'd rather have a hunger headache.

LOL. Just because you don't agree does not mean my statement is idiotic. I could post links to reports and studies showing how bad fast food is for you. I could mention a couple of countries that REFUSE to eat McDonalds or other fast foods because the people know it isn't healthy for you in the long run, but I won't waste my time because those of you who like those types of food will defend them with your dying breath. What's idiotic, is your need to try to insult people you don't agree with. That shows a good deal about your character. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Again I say: DO YOU!

We love links to studies, actually. Many of us have bookmark folders full of links to peer-reviewed journal articles, and many of us have quite a bit of education and experience reading scientific publications.

We thrive on science. If you have links to actual studies that scientifically establish that "fast food" is bad for you, please produce them. We'd love to see them.

Ya you guys run with that...I'm not interested in splitting hairs and talking circles. But one thing that is shady subway often will list their nutrional information with lovely little tiny print disclaimers on the bottom ...where you find out that cheese and sauce are not included (which in the picture they will show it with cheese and sauce and still right beside list the cals that don't includ items in picture) I got a coffee from mcdonalds the other day and yes there was a picture of egg mcmuffin...for a certain amount of cals...guess what it included the cheese which was shown in picture no disclaimer ...I realize they aren't the only fast food place that does this...but trust me out of alot of fast food places they are guity of it ALOT...reason is they want to be like there old moto "choose well" well ya there make sure you read the small print so you will "choose well"

When subway puts that disclaimer yes it is being deceiving. Its making them look better...they are banking on the fact that a person will see this delish sub with cheese and not notice that they are actually not getting that sandwich with cheese for that amount of cals.

OK, well someone has not yet taught you to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying.

And there is it "

OK, well someone has not yet taught YOU to read the fine print. If it's in there, they aren't lying. Clearly I do read the fine print. But I have empathy for those that don't...so sue me.

Let me quote you here...

Its the lies that tick me off.

The only "lie" you could come up with was "they give the nutritional info for a sandwich with no cheese but it has cheese in the picture."

They don't do that. Seems the only person lying here is you.

yes they do...but I guess it only matters what you preceive.

Show us a Subway picture of a sub containing cheese, which then does not have cheese included in the nutrition information. We will happily wait.

By the way - I already checked the Subway website, and I go to Subway quite regularly. So you're going to have to dig a little deeper than that. But we'll wait.