All calories ARE NOT created equal !!!
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See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
There's no such thing as a bad carb. Carbs can make you retain water, though. How many calories are you eating, and what are your workouts? How long have you not been losing? I noticed you don't have a lot of weight to lose.
Hi Holly; I just started insanity last week, so I'm on about day 7. I burn about 400 calories per workout. Before then, I was doing the 30ds and zumba and burning about the same amount. I try to take in 1600 calories when I do the workouts and 1400 when I don't. I've been stalled for about a month; or gaining water weight (it has to be water weight). I didn't know that carbs made you retain water. Decreasing them sounds like a good idea. At this point i don't know what else to do; almost makes me want to try a fad diet but I don't want to put on 100lbs after i'm done with it lol
to parkscs; I already use a scale.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread but these type of posts really confuse an already easily confused person lol:embarassed:
Yes, agree with the person that said you may have a sensitivity to certain carbs. Water weight can have several different sources, like excess carbs, a new exercise routine, or TOM for example. Just be aware that if you cut out a lot of carbs, the second you add them back in, there will be some water retention again. Please don't try a fad diet!
I won't
I just feel so desparate sometimes. I feel like I could be fitter, but I am slowwwwwllllyy losing inches so that's probably about the only thing keeping me going right now. At least it lets me know that i'm doing something right :indifferent: I just never knew it would be this hard. I'll try to cut back on the carbs a little and see if that helps with the water retention. 0 -
Did I call them "bad" carbs?And certain carbs can cause some folks to feel more hungry. Some folks find it's easier to eat at a deficit without those carb sources.
That doesn't make them bad carbs. If a particular food doesn't satisfy you or makes it harder for you personally to meet your goals, then don't eat it. Simple as that.
Saying that the food is "bad" just obscures the issue.
Granted, I don't care if others call them "bad". They can call food whatever they want.0 -
Don't get hung up on semantics over "good" or "bad" carbs. You need to find what works for you. Some people may do poorly eating certain types of carbs and that leads them to refer to them as "bad" carbs, other people may find they do much better eating a relatively low amount of carbs (say 100g or less per day), but that doesn't mean they're "bad" for everyone. Provided you keep your calories at the same point, I see no harm in experimenting a bit with your macros.0
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Calories in VS. Calories out is not TRUE! :noway: I was staying under calories (strictly) & working out hard (whats considered hard for me. lol.), but eating whatever I wanted. That didn't work. I was losing really slowly and weight would fluctuate like crazy. ie, gain few lbs, lose them back, then lose half a lb from where i started. It was crazy. I was also crazy hungry all the time. :explode: Ok, cut down a little on the carbs, now I am back on track. :drinker: I am not even working out as hard and still losing more weight :laugh: . Now that I have cut the carbs down to one carb- enriched meal per day, for the last week or so, the weight loss is more steady and consistent. Everyone's body is different. Some people do well eating lots of carbs, and still lose, as long as they stay under their calories. Not me! Some have Weight/ Bloating issues eating a lot of meat, protein, or consuming a lot of sodium.
Considering I am a controlled diabetic (I don't take meds b/c my blood sugar is regulated now that I have lost weight.) my body still does not like a lot of carbohydrates (sugar). It does not process and break them down well. Carbs turn straight to stored fat in our bodies. Our bodies burn a protein for fuel before it will chooses a carb for fuel. It will just store the carb as fat. Now I am consuming more protein. I am not on any low carb plan, I am just eating what for one meal per day, then the other meals are mainly, meat & low carb veggies.
So find out what your body's glitch is. If you are struggling with the scale and you seem to be doing everything right, do a process of elimination to your diet. Not cutting things out, but decreasing your consumption of that particular culprit, whether it be protein (meat), carbs (bread, pasta, rice, wheat, potatoes, corn, sweets, sugar, milk, peas), gassy veggies, etc.
A few things... You have no open diary, and if I'm willing to bet... its because you don't track accurately. Beyond that, I'm fairly certain the reason you're now seeing weightloss is because you created a larger deficit via the eliminations of carbs and not replacing those calories under other macros.
ding ding ding...we have a winner...
I would also add that since OP is diabetic he/she obviously has a medical condition that would make them sensitive carbs; hence, cutting back on carbs would make sense...
but at the end of the day, a calorie is a unit of energy.0 -
OP, I'm happy you found what works for you. Don't let the low-carb criticizers get to you. They do this to everyone who eats low carb. Personally, I feel way better eating low carb and high fat. The weight and fat loss is an added bonus!
the only thing the "low carb critics" are saying is that low carb is not some magical idea that leads to faster weight loss...it is the calorie deficit that low carb creates that leads to said weight loss...0 -
Have not read the responses as I am sure it will be pretty predicable. However, from the OP...<snip> Now that I have cut the carbs down to one carb- enriched meal per day, for the last week or so, the weight loss is more steady and consistent. <snip>
Was the fact that the OP had only dropped her carbs for a week raised? Dropping carbs = less water weight. One week is far too early for any change in diet to make such a sweeping 'conclusion'.
How can you even determine weight loss is more steady and consistent in a week?0 -
See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
If you have very little weight to lose it WILL come off extremely slowly. Take heart, you're doing it right. Now keep on doing what you're doing, maybe add in some weightlifting, rely on the measuring tape more than the scale and see the magic happen.0 -
See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
There's no such thing as a bad carb. Carbs can make you retain water, though. How many calories are you eating, and what are your workouts? How long have you not been losing? I noticed you don't have a lot of weight to lose.
When I mean bad carb I talk about those that are high on glucose, which at the same time is not good for weight loss purposes. Carbs are important in your diet if you are exercising. You should eat carbs but the "good" ones such as whole wheat, for example. That's what I mean with good - bad carbs. They all do the same thing, of course.
Why is glucose worse for weight loss than say fructose? Are you saying you should not eat fruit?0 -
Agreed. Low carbs for some people (my wife) leads to a higher level of satiety and minimizes cravings for carbs allowing a deficit to be more manageable. Personally I've reduced my carbs as well for the last 5 years and represents about 25% of my consumption, which is around 200g's of carbs a day, and I must admit that it also has similar effects based on periodic nom noms of refined carbs. As far as the EBE is concerned, no, there is no magic.OP, I'm happy you found what works for you. Don't let the low-carb criticizers get to you. They do this to everyone who eats low carb. Personally, I feel way better eating low carb and high fat. The weight and fat loss is an added bonus!
the only thing the "low carb critics" are saying is that low carb is not some magical idea that leads to faster weight loss...it is the calorie deficit that low carb creates that leads to said weight loss...0 -
Very nicely stated.
Agreed. Low carbs for some people (my wife) leads to a higher level of satiety and minimizes cravings for carbs allowing a deficit to be more manageable. Personally I've reduced my carbs as well for the last 5 years and represents about 25% of my consumption, which is around 200g's of carbs a day, and I must admit that it also has similar effects based on periodic nom noms of refined carbs. As far as the EBE is concerned, no, there is no magic.OP, I'm happy you found what works for you. Don't let the low-carb criticizers get to you. They do this to everyone who eats low carb. Personally, I feel way better eating low carb and high fat. The weight and fat loss is an added bonus!
the only thing the "low carb critics" are saying is that low carb is not some magical idea that leads to faster weight loss...it is the calorie deficit that low carb creates that leads to said weight loss...0 -
Have not read the responses as I am sure it will be pretty predicable. However, from the OP...<snip> Now that I have cut the carbs down to one carb- enriched meal per day, for the last week or so, the weight loss is more steady and consistent. <snip>
Was the fact that the OP had only dropped her carbs for a week raised? Dropping carbs = less water weight. One week is far too early for any change in diet to make such a sweeping 'conclusion'.
How can you even determine weight loss is more steady and consistent in a week?
Hehe, yeah, someone brought that up. In fact, I think all bases have been covered on this thread. The OP cannot be convinced though.0 -
I'm reading a book called 'Wheat Belly". You might be interested in it. It also talks a bit about diabetes and how wheat reacts to that situation.
Good book...
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Except he said that replacing the carbs from wheat to other carb sources would not do any good.........sounds like he's trying to sell a low carb diet with a popular and current misinterpreted evil doer as his front man.
I'm reading a book called 'Wheat Belly". You might be interested in it. It also talks a bit about diabetes and how wheat reacts to that situation.
Good book...
Chad0 -
There are no "bad" carbs.See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
There's no such thing as a bad carb. Carbs can make you retain water, though. How many calories are you eating, and what are your workouts? How long have you not been losing? I noticed you don't have a lot of weight to lose.
When I mean bad carb I talk about those that are high on glucose, which at the same time is not good for weight loss purposes. Carbs are important in your diet if you are exercising. You should eat carbs but the "good" ones such as whole wheat, for example. That's what I mean with good - bad carbs. They all do the same thing, of course.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html
I've never really had a problem with the good carb / bad carb labels. But, sematics aside, some carbs are healthier (better nutrition package, less association with disease) than others.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/0 -
*sits down with Popcorn and M&M's and a diet coke to watch*
when will people learn??? seriously.0 -
True with any macro, not just carbs.......there's always a hierarchy in all food products regarding nutrition. Context and dosage and a diversity is key to any diet.
There are no "bad" carbs.See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
There's no such thing as a bad carb. Carbs can make you retain water, though. How many calories are you eating, and what are your workouts? How long have you not been losing? I noticed you don't have a lot of weight to lose.
When I mean bad carb I talk about those that are high on glucose, which at the same time is not good for weight loss purposes. Carbs are important in your diet if you are exercising. You should eat carbs but the "good" ones such as whole wheat, for example. That's what I mean with good - bad carbs. They all do the same thing, of course.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html
I've never really had a problem with the good carb / bad carb labels. But, sematics aside, some carbs are healthier (better nutrition package, less association with disease) than others.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/0 -
tl;dr.
This again? A calorie is a unit of measure. Smh.
so, ok....you found it too long and you didnt read it...so why bother commenting??...(just interested, you understand!!)
Because I find a giant wall of text difficult to read. And I commented because this is about the fifth thread I've seen with this title in 2014, and I'm not even on here that often! I could care less about how a person loses weight, low carb, high protein, or whatever. But to say a calorie ISN'T just a calorie is silly.
noone is asking you to reply...so why bother??
I bolded the part where it says why I replied. That's why I bothered.
yes, I did see that bit...and to ge honest..if I felt as cross/frustrated as you OBVIOUSLY do....even more reason why I would have moved on without responding :-)
then thats what you would have done, not her so............0 -
I know people like to think that McDonald's calories are the same as whole foods calories, but I've also found that this isn't true. Everyone hates hearing it, but when I switched from strict calorie counting to eating whole foods with limited wheat and dairy the pounds finally started coming off. The belly is FINALLY getting flatter after years of trying different tactics! Honestly I may be an exception and have some sort of wheat, dairy, and additive sensitivities. I'm just saying if what you're doing isn't working, try something else!
I hated the paleo promoters for ever (was vegan for 3 years)! But after years of hearing about the success of people eating this way, I've given it a try and it's working for me. As much as I hated to admit it at first, eating (mostly) paleo has worked almost effortlessly. I don't even follow all the rules all the time! Just doing clean eating most of the time with very little wheat or dairy has my body changing shape. Don't knock it until you've tried it I suppose...
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Not think, we know.
Because a calorie is a calorie.
Oh for crying out loud. You recently found what works for YOU (because you've obviously struggled) and therefore you KNOW all the answers? What? Since when? A year ago?
<----Actually, been a member since 2010, see?
And I do not claim to know all the answers, but I do know this: A calorie IS a calorie, regardless of what food it comes from.
Crud. I've been gaining and losing weight for almost 30 years. I'm sort of good at both. Listen. I'm not downing the calorie thing. I pretty much subscribe. But I'm not convinced that simple carbs don't cause inflammation. Is that fair? Science evolves...
Wow, this thread took an interesting turn after I left work yesterday.
In response to this, I agree that carbs cause water retention and some weight gain. However, that is not what the OP is saying. There's a difference between saying "Low carb works for me" and "I can eat whatever I want as long as it's not carbs, and I don't have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight."
No one is debating the fact that eating a diet of all carbs will have different results than a diet of all protein (or at least they shouldn't be debating it). The main sticking point with this thread is that the OP thinks calories don't matter as long as you limit the carbs.
ok, to all of you debaters, I am not saying calories don't matter, everyone knows a calorie is a calorie. come on. It was a play on my own words. Calories do matter. gosh. but MY body does not respond well to in-taking half of my calories in carbs vs. protein. Really, come on, this was not to be taken Literally. I know what works for me 1200 cals of lower carb options Vs. 1200 cal of high carb. My goodness. 10+ pages wow, seems like some live to argue. ok it's ok. all of you are apparently right, in your own way. have a nice rest of your life losing weight :flowerforyou:0 -
I know people like to think that McDonald's calories are the same as whole foods calories, but I've also found that this isn't true. Everyone hates hearing it, but when I switched from strict calorie counting to eating whole foods with limited wheat and dairy the pounds finally started coming off. The belly is FINALLY getting flatter after years of trying different tactics! Honestly I may be an exception and have some sort of wheat, dairy, and additive sensitivities. I'm just saying if what you're doing isn't working, try something else!
I hated the paleo promoters for ever (was vegan for 3 years)! But after years of hearing about the success of people eating this way, I've given it a try and it's working for me. As much as I hated to admit it at first, eating (mostly) paleo has worked almost effortlessly. I don't even follow all the rules all the time! Just doing clean eating most of the time with very little wheat or dairy has my body changing shape. Don't knock it until you've tried it I suppose...
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Not think, we know.
Because a calorie is a calorie.
Try eating all the calories you want as fiber and see how long you can live on that. A calorie is a calorie is a myth that needs to be weeded out. The different macro's doesn't make your body react the same.
Eating tons of fructose causes leptin resistance (the body's signal to the brain saying we got plenty of fat in store). So instead of burning the carb intake, it stores it, cause it thinks the fat stores are empty/low.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18703413
Tell me how a study where they feed rodents a diet with SIXTY PERCENT of calories coming from sugar is relevant to this discussion in any way, shape, or form.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
It shows that a calorie is not a calorie. Isn't that very obvious?
so... if a calorie is not a calorie....im confused now becasue I thought I was eating calories this whole time at a deficit to lose these 46lbs I lost last year. ????? So what is a calorie then?? can somebody answer this please and let me know what calorie I should be eating?0 -
We get it, but we like to argue,k.:happy:I know people like to think that McDonald's calories are the same as whole foods calories, but I've also found that this isn't true. Everyone hates hearing it, but when I switched from strict calorie counting to eating whole foods with limited wheat and dairy the pounds finally started coming off. The belly is FINALLY getting flatter after years of trying different tactics! Honestly I may be an exception and have some sort of wheat, dairy, and additive sensitivities. I'm just saying if what you're doing isn't working, try something else!
I hated the paleo promoters for ever (was vegan for 3 years)! But after years of hearing about the success of people eating this way, I've given it a try and it's working for me. As much as I hated to admit it at first, eating (mostly) paleo has worked almost effortlessly. I don't even follow all the rules all the time! Just doing clean eating most of the time with very little wheat or dairy has my body changing shape. Don't knock it until you've tried it I suppose...
:laugh:
Not think, we know.
Because a calorie is a calorie.
Oh for crying out loud. You recently found what works for YOU (because you've obviously struggled) and therefore you KNOW all the answers? What? Since when? A year ago?
<----Actually, been a member since 2010, see?
And I do not claim to know all the answers, but I do know this: A calorie IS a calorie, regardless of what food it comes from.
Crud. I've been gaining and losing weight for almost 30 years. I'm sort of good at both. Listen. I'm not downing the calorie thing. I pretty much subscribe. But I'm not convinced that simple carbs don't cause inflammation. Is that fair? Science evolves...
Wow, this thread took an interesting turn after I left work yesterday.
In response to this, I agree that carbs cause water retention and some weight gain. However, that is not what the OP is saying. There's a difference between saying "Low carb works for me" and "I can eat whatever I want as long as it's not carbs, and I don't have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight."
No one is debating the fact that eating a diet of all carbs will have different results than a diet of all protein (or at least they shouldn't be debating it). The main sticking point with this thread is that the OP thinks calories don't matter as long as you limit the carbs.
ok, to all of you debaters, I am not saying calories don't matter, everyone knows a calorie is a calorie. come on. It was a play on my own words. Calories do matter. gosh. but MY body does not respond well to in-taking half of my calories in carbs vs. protein. Really, come on, this was not to be taken Literally. I know what works for me 1200 cals of lower carb options Vs. 1200 cal of high carb. My goodness. 10+ pages wow, seems like some live to argue. ok it's ok. all of you are apparently right, in your own way. have a nice rest of your life losing weight :flowerforyou:0 -
True with any macro, not just carbs.......there's always a hierarchy in all food products regarding nutrition. Context and dosage and a diversity is key to any diet.
There are no "bad" carbs.See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
There's no such thing as a bad carb. Carbs can make you retain water, though. How many calories are you eating, and what are your workouts? How long have you not been losing? I noticed you don't have a lot of weight to lose.
When I mean bad carb I talk about those that are high on glucose, which at the same time is not good for weight loss purposes. Carbs are important in your diet if you are exercising. You should eat carbs but the "good" ones such as whole wheat, for example. That's what I mean with good - bad carbs. They all do the same thing, of course.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html
I've never really had a problem with the good carb / bad carb labels. But, sematics aside, some carbs are healthier (better nutrition package, less association with disease) than others.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Yes, quite true. Balance.0 -
Why people find this elusive is mind blowing.
True with any macro, not just carbs.......there's always a hierarchy in all food products regarding nutrition. Context and dosage and a diversity is key to any diet.
There are no "bad" carbs.See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
There's no such thing as a bad carb. Carbs can make you retain water, though. How many calories are you eating, and what are your workouts? How long have you not been losing? I noticed you don't have a lot of weight to lose.
When I mean bad carb I talk about those that are high on glucose, which at the same time is not good for weight loss purposes. Carbs are important in your diet if you are exercising. You should eat carbs but the "good" ones such as whole wheat, for example. That's what I mean with good - bad carbs. They all do the same thing, of course.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-science-of-nutrition-is-a-carb-a-carb.html
I've never really had a problem with the good carb / bad carb labels. But, sematics aside, some carbs are healthier (better nutrition package, less association with disease) than others.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Yes, quite true. Balance.0 -
Because people come on forums like this and start spouting off nonsense.0
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See, this is the kind of stuff that confuses me. I was under the impression that it didn't really matter WHAT you ate, as long as you stayed in a deficit, you would lose weight? Then I see posts like this and it makes me think I'm doing something wrong. I have very little weight to lose in the first place and since it's coming off so slow (5lbs in 3 months) this post makes me think i'm doing something wrong
It depends. People who struggle with losing weight may have other issues. For example, I had trouble losing weight because my insulin was incredibly high, and for some *insert magic here* reasons I was "unable" to lose weight. I don't know - but the calorie thing now works for me as long as I don't eat many bad carbs because my body as a reflect produces a lot of insulin when I eat carbs. A calorie is a calorie, but there are other things that could interfere with burning such calories I guess!
what the heck is a bad carb? Are there foods I should be avoiding? I'm asking because I have been creating a deficit and working out and I am still not losing. I am constantly bloated and retaining water. It makes me think the food I'm eating is backfiring on me. I don't eat a lot of junk, but I don't eat clean either. Posts like this make me feel bad for eating fast food on occasion even though i'm still creating a deficit. ughhh. I log every single thing that goes in my mouth and a lot of times I try to OVERESTIMATE to give myself some leeway just in case I am wrong. I am in the green everyday and I am still either putting on water weight, or staying the same. I'm just so frustrated, I don't even know what to do anymore. It makes me want to give up but i know if I do that I won't get anywhere for sure:frown:
See, that's where I was at!!!! I have 10 more lbs to go til i hit my goal weight. There is a such thing as a bad carb. I try to limit those and fast foods to one meal per day. then for the other meals I eat Lower, notice I said LOWER carb. I have not gone fully low carb, but I recognize my body not losing(i even used tape measure, not just scale) and not changing when I ate under my goal, workout, and eat more carbs. I am not an advocate for low carb. but U have to KNOW your own body. Figure out what your body processes well. FOR ME, I can eat under calories and be more satisfied with more protein, than more carbs and still lose weight. like some of the users before mentioned, macros.... how your body processes the things you eat.0 -
See, that's where I was at!!!! I have 10 more lbs to go til i hit my goal weight. There is a such thing as a bad carb. I try to limit those and fast foods to one meal per day. then for the other meals I eat Lower, notice I said LOWER carb. I have not gone fully low carb, but I recognize my body not losing(i even used tape measure, not just scale) and not changing when I ate under my goal, workout, and eat more carbs. I am not an advocate for low carb. but U have to KNOW your own body. Figure out what your body processes well. FOR ME, I can eat under calories and be more satisfied with more protein, than more carbs and still lose weight. like some of the users before mentioned, macros.... how your body processes the things you eat.
Open your diary and point out these periods where you didn't lose weight even with a calorie deficit.
My diary is open. Why isn't yours?0 -
Thats funny.. I've lost weight and maintained eating whatever I wanted with my specific calorie goal. I try to keep calories between 1100-1400 a day and I workout along with that. I lost 100 lbs in 14 months and then gained 10 back and struggled for a few months and now I'm at 98.2 lbs lost again (started my weight loss in March 2012, got down 100 lbs by may 23 2013, and as of today am back to 98.2 lbs lost..). Open diary to friends only, but a lot of times my breakfast is anything from fruit loops, jolly ranchers, of vanilla frosting... I eat a lot of sweets and hardly any fruits/vegetables. My blood pressure, glucose, cholesterol are normal.. measurements are 32x26.5x32 and I'm 5'4" 136 lbs.
So i'd have to say that all calories are equal just in my almost last 2 years of experience being on MFP.0 -
ok, to all of you debaters, I am not saying calories don't matter, everyone knows a calorie is a calorie. come on. It was a play on my own words. Calories do matter. gosh. but MY body does not respond well to in-taking half of my calories in carbs vs. protein. Really, come on, this was not to be taken Literally. I know what works for me 1200 cals of lower carb options Vs. 1200 cal of high carb. My goodness. 10+ pages wow, seems like some live to argue. ok it's ok. all of you are apparently right, in your own way. have a nice rest of your life losing weight :flowerforyou:
Actually that's exactly what you said knowing full well that people who know better would debate it.
Then that brings in others who agree with your "statement" to back you up and then the debate continues.
If you didn't want this you would have titled this thread "What worked for me" or "How I feel about carbs because of my issues"
There is no "sarcasm" font or "Please don't take this literally font" so you have to mean what you say and say what you mean otherwise people see what you type and take it that's what you meant.
btw my brother is a diabetic and has been for over 40 years and he eats his good amount of carbs and protien etc and guess what he's not fat...never has been so being a diabetic and not being able to eat carbs are not exclusive to each other...
Over eating carbs causes weight gain not carbs in diabetics.0 -
My diary is open. Why isn't yours?
Probably because you are so superior to her in every possible way. Why else?
was JUST about to jump in with a "how rude of you comment"...when I suddenly thought a bit of irony might be rearing it's head!!!0 -
I love these threads... especially when we talk about 1200 calories of cookies and ice cream (delicious) vs broccoli (smelly), because everyone eats like that. I would suggest instead of putting blinders on and trying to correlate a portion of the diet to a cause of weight gain or causing a plateau, that we actually take a holistic view towards nutrition. How long have you tried a method? Is a food scale used? How are your calculating your total calorie need as well as your TDEE? And how do medical conditions effect your outcomes. It's well known that many diabetics have to watch carbs, as do women with PCOS (with insulin resistance) but because 10% of this community has medical issues (to include my wife who has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome which comes with a gluten intolerance) does NOT mean you can apply that to a community at large. For 90% of us, macronutrient management is for performance and composition. Outside of that, we all follow the law of thermodynamics. The biggest issue is understanding where the starting point is (BMR) and maintenance calories are (TDEE); this is where it takes time (many months) of data to conclude.0
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Calories in VS. Calories out is not TRUE! :noway: I was staying under calories (strictly) & working out hard (whats considered hard for me. lol.), but eating whatever I wanted. That didn't work. I was losing really slowly and weight would fluctuate like crazy. ie, gain few lbs, lose them back, then lose half a lb from where i started. It was crazy. I was also crazy hungry all the time. :explode: Ok, cut down a little on the carbs, now I am back on track. :drinker: I am not even working out as hard and still losing more weight :laugh: . Now that I have cut the carbs down to one carb- enriched meal per day, for the last week or so, the weight loss is more steady and consistent. Everyone's body is different. Some people do well eating lots of carbs, and still lose, as long as they stay under their calories. Not me! Some have Weight/ Bloating issues eating a lot of meat, protein, or consuming a lot of sodium.
Considering I am a controlled diabetic (I don't take meds b/c my blood sugar is regulated now that I have lost weight.) my body still does not like a lot of carbohydrates (sugar). It does not process and break them down well. Carbs turn straight to stored fat in our bodies. Our bodies burn a protein for fuel before it will chooses a carb for fuel. It will just store the carb as fat. Now I am consuming more protein. I am not on any low carb plan, I am just eating what for one meal per day, then the other meals are mainly, meat & low carb veggies.
So find out what your body's glitch is. If you are struggling with the scale and you seem to be doing everything right, do a process of elimination to your diet. Not cutting things out, but decreasing your consumption of that particular culprit, whether it be protein (meat), carbs (bread, pasta, rice, wheat, potatoes, corn, sweets, sugar, milk, peas), gassy veggies, etc.
A few things... You have no open diary, and if I'm willing to bet... its because you don't track accurately. Beyond that, I'm fairly certain the reason you're now seeing weightloss is because you created a larger deficit via the eliminations of carbs and not replacing those calories under other macros.
ding ding ding...we have a winner...
I would also add that since OP is diabetic he/she obviously has a medical condition that would make them sensitive carbs; hence, cutting back on carbs would make sense...
but at the end of the day, a calorie is a unit of energy.
Yes, that was the purpose of the subject. Not necessarily that a calorie is not a calorie. just that i don't process and burn calories the same as the next man would. My calories look different than your calories b/c of the way my body produces insulin, which by the way if an insulin sensitive person eats too much carb/sugar/glucose, their body will secret more insulin, which encourages fat storage!!!0
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