BREAD IS BAD!!

Bread is crack! Really, really, good crack. A warm baguette is even better crack. Especially with good butter.

On the other hand, I also love toast and bacon with peanut butter for breakfast.

Sticking with Subway, that 9 grain honey oat. Man, I could eat that with about anything.

Sticking with Subway, that 9 grain honey oat. Man, I could eat that with about anything.

^^ This.

I'm gluten/wheat intolerant (or possibly more just wheat) but sometimes I throw caution to the wind and indulge in a delicious sourdough. My homemade spelt soda loaf is also pretty amazing. With bacon, cheese and some chutney. Mmmmmn. Seriously, if someone could go ahead and create gluten/wheat free bread (in the UK) that DOESNT do this when I eat it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SaUOsyJFLk

That would be amazing thank you please.

How can you 'indulge' in bread if you are gluten intolerant?

Probably in the same way I'll indulge in ice cream though I'm lactose intolerant.

Suffering the consequences.

I do remember hearing that there are different levels of intolerance in different people. I'm both gluten and dairy intolerant, and there is no level of "suffering the consequences" for me. If I consume any, I am condemned to days of suffering in a little curled up ball of pain. ( I also have IBD so trigger foods will make me suffer longer than the food is actually in my system). Jealous of those who can do it.

Oh, trust me, that's how I end up, and I'm sure the person in question does, too.

But sometimes, that frozen custard is just too.good.

:blushing: Shamefully yes, I 'suffer the consequences'. I have IBS, not coeliac, so I accept that I'm going to feel pretty rubbish, and spend a large amount of time in my bathroom whimpering.

A friend however posted this a couple of days ago
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1932817/

I live in hope.

They affect the chemical receptors in the brain the same way that cocaine does.

Yeah, Im pretty sure that this is NOT true.

They affect the chemical receptors in the brain the same way that cocaine does.

Yeah, Im pretty sure that this is NOT true.

http://www.details.com/style-advice/the-body/201103/carbs-caffeine-food-cocaine-addiction?currentPage=2

From the second page:

"In 2007, researchers at the University of Bordeaux, France, reported that when rats were allowed to choose between a calorie-free sweetener and intravenous cocaine, 94 percent preferred the sugar substitute. The researchers concluded that "intense sweetness can surpass cocaine reward. . . . The supranormal stimulation of these receptors by sugar-rich diets, such as those now widely available in modern societies, would generate a supranormal reward signal in the brain, with the potential to override self-control mechanisms and thus to lead to addiction." Nicole Avena, an expert in behavioral neuroscience at the University of Florida in Gainesville, has spent many hours analyzing the behavior of rats enticed into sucking up sugar. She says that feeding on sugar can, like snorting coke, lead to bingeing, withdrawal, and craving. It does this by lighting up the same circuitry within the brain triggered by cocaine and amphetamines, the dopamine center."

any kind you can crumble up and add to meat

I love all the breads. Especially if it's fresh out the oven... Mmmm........

They affect the chemical receptors in the brain the same way that cocaine does.

Yeah, Im pretty sure that this is NOT true.

http://www.details.com/style-advice/the-body/201103/carbs-caffeine-food-cocaine-addiction?currentPage=2

From the second page:

"In 2007, researchers at the University of Bordeaux, France, reported that when rats were allowed to choose between a calorie-free sweetener and intravenous cocaine, 94 percent preferred the sugar substitute. The researchers concluded that "intense sweetness can surpass cocaine reward. . . . The supranormal stimulation of these receptors by sugar-rich diets, such as those now widely available in modern societies, would generate a supranormal reward signal in the brain, with the potential to override self-control mechanisms and thus to lead to addiction." Nicole Avena, an expert in behavioral neuroscience at the University of Florida in Gainesville, has spent many hours analyzing the behavior of rats enticed into sucking up sugar. She says that feeding on sugar can, like snorting coke, lead to bingeing, withdrawal, and craving. It does this by lighting up the same circuitry within the brain triggered by cocaine and amphetamines, the dopamine center."

1. If youre going to provide 'scientific evidence' of something provide me with an article from a journal, not a website about 'culture and style'.

2. That is a rat study.

3. It is also about sugar, not carbohydrates.

Sugar is a carbohydrate. Try again.

my favourite bread is naan bread... my favourite naan bread is garlic naan

after that I like lebanese flat breads and similar

and a good ole British home cooked crusty loaf - but only homecooked by someone who's good at cooking that kind of bread, because if it's done wrong it goes very badly.

My least favourite bread (other than an extremely cheap white bread that tasted like flour that I'm not going to count as actual bread, which I ate once when really, really broke) is granary bread.

Also very good is the stuff they serve Ethiopian food on. Don't remember the name.

They affect the chemical receptors in the brain the same way that cocaine does.

Yeah, Im pretty sure that this is NOT true.

http://www.details.com/style-advice/the-body/201103/carbs-caffeine-food-cocaine-addiction?currentPage=2

From the second page:

"In 2007, researchers at the University of Bordeaux, France, reported that when rats were allowed to choose between a calorie-free sweetener and intravenous cocaine, 94 percent preferred the sugar substitute. The researchers concluded that "intense sweetness can surpass cocaine reward. . . . The supranormal stimulation of these receptors by sugar-rich diets, such as those now widely available in modern societies, would generate a supranormal reward signal in the brain, with the potential to override self-control mechanisms and thus to lead to addiction." Nicole Avena, an expert in behavioral neuroscience at the University of Florida in Gainesville, has spent many hours analyzing the behavior of rats enticed into sucking up sugar. She says that feeding on sugar can, like snorting coke, lead to bingeing, withdrawal, and craving. It does this by lighting up the same circuitry within the brain triggered by cocaine and amphetamines, the dopamine center."

1. If youre going to provide 'scientific evidence' of something provide me with an article from a journal, not a website about 'culture and style'.

2. That is a rat study.

3. It is also about sugar, not carbohydrates.

Sugar is a carbohydrate. Try again.

Wow, great answer.

Look, you clearly think you had an 'addiction' to carbs (specifically bread). I'm telling you that you didn't, you certainly didn't have a physiological addiction. The fact that you stopped eating bread and had no issues with that speaks for itself. You may have had a psychological addiction to the feeling you got from eating bread, which may have resulted in a surge of dopamine or stimulation of an area such as the nucleus accumbens. HOWEVER, this could be the case for a NUMBER of pleasurable activities, including engaging in sexual intercourse. Comparing sugar to cocaine is ridiculous and misleading, and only done because cocaine GENERALLY (because in rare cases it may occur) doesnt result in the same reliant dependance as an opiate, for example. Animal models of sugar bingeing cannot be DIRECTLY applied to human subjects, research suggests that under certain circumstances that rats may show 'addictive-like' behaviours to sugar, and that this MIGHT tell us something about human sugar consumption. Not does. Might.

Anyway, I didnt come here to debate behavioural neuroscience and animal models of addiction.
If people want to eat bread and are happy to do that butt out and let them. If you dont want to eat bread or other starchy carbs, dont.

I like you.

:flowerforyou:

Wow, great answer.

Look, you clearly think you had an 'addiction' to carbs (specifically bread). I'm telling you that you didn't, you certainly didn't have a physiological addiction. The fact that you stopped eating bread and had no issues with that speaks for itself. You may have had a psychological addiction to the feeling you got from eating bread, which may have resulted in a surge of dopamine or stimulation of an area such as the nucleus accumbens. HOWEVER, this could be the case for a NUMBER of pleasurable activities, including engaging in sexual intercourse. Comparing sugar to cocaine is ridiculous and misleading, and only done because cocaine GENERALLY (because in rare cases it may occur) doesnt result in the same reliant dependance as an opiate, for example. Animal models of sugar bingeing cannot be DIRECTLY applied to human subjects, research suggests that under certain circumstances that rats may show 'addictive-like' behaviours to sugar, and that this MIGHT tell us something about human sugar consumption. Not does. Might.

Anyway, I didnt come here to debate behavioural neuroscience and animal models of addiction.
If people want to eat bread and are happy to do that butt out and let them. If you dont want to eat bread or other starchy carbs, dont.

So because my opinion is different I'm just supposed to shut my mouth and not say anything? Yet you and all these other people are allowed to give their opinion without an issue? It goes both ways. If you don't want to debate it, then maybe you shouldn't have jumped into the conversation to begin with?

You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. If you use false or misleading information or logic, you will be called out on it around here.

Brioche, and Red Hen Bakery Multi-Grain Bread....

Wow, great answer.

Look, you clearly think you had an 'addiction' to carbs (specifically bread). I'm telling you that you didn't, you certainly didn't have a physiological addiction. The fact that you stopped eating bread and had no issues with that speaks for itself. You may have had a psychological addiction to the feeling you got from eating bread, which may have resulted in a surge of dopamine or stimulation of an area such as the nucleus accumbens. HOWEVER, this could be the case for a NUMBER of pleasurable activities, including engaging in sexual intercourse. Comparing sugar to cocaine is ridiculous and misleading, and only done because cocaine GENERALLY (because in rare cases it may occur) doesnt result in the same reliant dependance as an opiate, for example. Animal models of sugar bingeing cannot be DIRECTLY applied to human subjects, research suggests that under certain circumstances that rats may show 'addictive-like' behaviours to sugar, and that this MIGHT tell us something about human sugar consumption. Not does. Might.

Anyway, I didnt come here to debate behavioural neuroscience and animal models of addiction.
If people want to eat bread and are happy to do that butt out and let them. If you dont want to eat bread or other starchy carbs, dont.

So because my opinion is different I'm just supposed to shut my mouth and not say anything? Yet you and all these other people are allowed to give their opinion without an issue? It goes both ways. If you don't want to debate it, then maybe you shouldn't have jumped into the conversation to begin with?

You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. If you use false or misleading information or logic, you will be called out on it around here.

This,

and also the fact that this thread is not a 'debate', its people talking about their favourite bread. If you dont like bread, dont contribute. I wouldnt go to a thread on football just to add 'well I dont like football. I had an injury from playing football once and therefore its terrible and people should think twice'.