Warning! Beware of the Atkins diet

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  • SomeNights246
    SomeNights246 Posts: 807 Member
    Just live off salt tablets and water for a month.

    Ghandi did it, so can you.

    Don't be a wimp.

    You have a picture of a cute piglet. I like pigs and especially baby pigs. So, you must be right.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    Well anyways I'm not here to debate. I said what I had to say and if you want to see the references you can purchase the book from Amazon or any Barnes & Noble. It's a 400+ page book so I'm not gonna go into detail with all the references published in the nutritional journals. You want the data? Buy it. Take care.
    I see, you were expecting people to just believe you.........misinformation will always be criticized and debated, not to mention you started the thread..........chit chat is easier isn't it? Take care.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    Here's my reference... The China Study.

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    ETA: Good Lord OP, you are serious?? That 'study' has been thoroughly debunked!
  • verptwerp
    verptwerp Posts: 3,659 Member
    Bumping for later :laugh:
  • horndave
    horndave Posts: 565
    I'm here for the bro science about how you need starchy carbs to live.

    Are you referring to every carb as a starch? Fruits and veggies have COMPLEX carbs. Mr Atkins is an overweight man, I wouldn't take advice from him.

    I think he is dead?

    Sorry, was overweight and had heart disease + high blood pressure.

    On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".


    Please do some research OP.
    I fell for the troll post of the morning. Beating my head.

    Never did I say he died from his heart disease or high blood pressure.

    Oh actually you stated he was overweight. Which again there is no research to back up your claim.

    a medical report at the time of his admission to the hospital, which was later made public by his widow, states that he was 195 lbs on admission to the hospital. Six foot one and 195 is not overweight.
  • random_user75
    random_user75 Posts: 157 Member
    "Beware the Atkins Diet, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
    The frumious Bandersnatch!"

    (Lewis Carroll (modified a little))

    In for momeraths and giggles.
  • Tickateeboo
    Tickateeboo Posts: 132 Member
    One of the most popular things about people wanting to do the Atkins diet is that you see instant results - I did it for a while years ago and lost 10 pounds in the first 2 weeks. Then it dropped off. I gave up in the end because I just found it so hard to cut out carbs - bread, pasta - mmmmmmmmm.

    I think it is only effective in the short term, trying to eat a no carb or low carb diet is quite hard - the minute you are told not to eat something, you want to eat it. :wink: I've also had a look around and it's been known to have an effect on your kidneys - this maybe if you have a kidney problem to begin with, but would need more data to confirm whether long-term users of Atkins develop kidney problems.

    Plus the temptation to have fried bacon and cream in your coffee every morning must affect your cholesterol at some point!! :laugh:
  • kickassketo
    kickassketo Posts: 42 Member
    Oh yay! We have another scientist!
  • in_the_stars
    in_the_stars Posts: 1,395 Member
    "Beware the Atkins Diet, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
    The frumious Bandersnatch!"

    (Lewis Carroll (modified a little))

    In for momeraths and giggles.

    Me too. :)
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=205916 is a comparison of 4 diets. Fewer people dropped out of the Atkins arm of the trial, which achieved better results :-
    Results. Weight loss was greater for women in the Atkins diet group compared with
    the other diet groups at 12 months, and mean 12-month weight loss was significantly
    different between the Atkins and Zone diets (PϽ.05). Mean 12-month weight loss
    was as follows: Atkins, −4.7 kg (95% confidence interval [CI], −6.3 to −3.1 kg), Zone,
    −1.6 kg (95% CI, −2.8 to −0.4 kg), LEARN, −2.6 kg (−3.8 to −1.3 kg), and Ornish,
    −2.2 kg (−3.6 to −0.8 kg). Weight loss was not statistically different among the Zone,
    LEARN, and Ornish groups. At 12 months, secondary outcomes for the Atkins group
    were comparable with or more favorable than the other diet groups.

    No adverse health effects were reported that I could see.
  • abrahamsitososa
    abrahamsitososa Posts: 716 Member
    Mate, I don't know why you bother engaging in the arguments in here. This is the first time I have ever read a thread and it seems that people are not open at all to new perspectives and are quick to rubbish the opinions of others when they don't actually have a clue themselves.

    Thanks. I knew I'd get criticism since this study challenges the status quo. I did my part in posting this and maybe someone will be open minded enough to read the book. Even if they read the book to criticize I think it's a good thing.
  • craftywitch_63
    craftywitch_63 Posts: 829 Member
    I love this one! I'm a definite fan of Dwayne Johnson. :heart:

    Atkins dies at age 73 of a heart attack which was preceded by a chronic congestive heart failure. He was 258 lbs and in poor health when he died. BTW, Atkins did NO research into his own diet, he simply prescribed a high-protein, high-fat, low-carb diet for his heart patients.

    American Journal of Kidney Diseases (2002) Reddy, et. al, "Consumption of an LCHP diet for 6 weeks delivers a marked acid load to the kidney, increases the risk for stone formation, decreases estimated calcium balance, and may increase the risk for bone loss."

    British Journal, 2012, A British-sponsored study followed Swedish women for 15 years and concluded that a high protein, low carb diet significantly increased the risk of heart disease.

    A four year long study, "Effects of Dietary Composition on Energy Expenditure During Weight-Loss Maintenance" was done at Boston Children's Hospital. They found that the resting metabolism rate of males consuming a high protein diet was reduced less than with other diets (a known side effect of dieting), which would lead to greater weight loss, HOWEVER, the C-reactive protein (or CRP), a marker we use to predict future and/or current heart disease was significantly elevated.

    When someone has ketones in their urine, we usually treat them for diabetic ketoacidosis and hope they don't become comatose. Urine ketones are NOT a positive indication!!

    There's a reason dieticians refer to a "balanced" diet. Balancing complex carbs, protein and fats along with portion control seems the only sensible answer to me.

    I've been a registered nurse for 20 years. I've treated people now on hemodialysis that were on high-protein diets for years. Granted, this is not empirical evidence, it's only anecdotal and some were definitely genetically predisposed to kidney disease. The empirical evidence points to increased weight loss at a cost of cardiac and renal health.
  • danimalkeys
    danimalkeys Posts: 982 Member
    Plus the temptation to have fried bacon and cream in your coffee every morning must affect your cholesterol at some point!! :laugh:

    I just had a physical on Friday. After 6 months on low carb, my cholesterol dropped 18 points, my good cholesterol went up 6 points, and my triglycerides went down 89 points. Yes, it does affect your cholesterol- in a good way.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    I love this one! I'm a definite fan of Dwayne Johnson. :heart:

    Atkins dies at age 73 of a heart attack which was preceded by a chronic congestive heart failure. He was 258 lbs and in poor health when he died. BTW, Atkins did NO research into his own diet, he simply prescribed a high-protein, high-fat, low-carb diet for his heart patients.

    American Journal of Kidney Diseases (2002) Reddy, et. al, "Consumption of an LCHP diet for 6 weeks delivers a marked acid load to the kidney, increases the risk for stone formation, decreases estimated calcium balance, and may increase the risk for bone loss."

    British Journal, 2012, A British-sponsored study followed Swedish women for 15 years and concluded that a high protein, low carb diet significantly increased the risk of heart disease.

    A four year long study, "Effects of Dietary Composition on Energy Expenditure During Weight-Loss Maintenance" was done at Boston Children's Hospital. They found that the resting metabolism rate of males consuming a high protein diet was reduced less than with other diets (a known side effect of dieting), which would lead to greater weight loss, HOWEVER, the C-reactive protein (or CRP), a marker we use to predict future and/or current heart disease was significantly elevated.

    When someone has ketones in their urine, we usually treat them for diabetic ketoacidosis and hope they don't become comatose. Urine ketones are NOT a positive indication!!

    There's a reason dieticians refer to a "balanced" diet. Balancing complex carbs, protein and fats along with portion control seems the only sensible answer to me.

    I've been a registered nurse for 20 years. I've treated people now on hemodialysis that were on high-protein diets for years. Granted, this is not empirical evidence, it's only anecdotal and some were definitely genetically predisposed to kidney disease. The empirical evidence points to increased weight loss at a cost of cardiac and renal health.

    This is very interesting, thank you for your post.
  • kickassketo
    kickassketo Posts: 42 Member
    Yet another medical professional who doesn't know the difference between ketoacidosis and ketosis. Wonderful. I feel so safe.
  • abrahamsitososa
    abrahamsitososa Posts: 716 Member
    They also refer to other research as saying " Adverse effects of this diet in children have included calcium oxalate and urate kidney stones... vomiting, amenorrhea(when a girl misses her period) , hypercholesterolemia(high cholesterol) and vitamin deficiencies. Reference cited. Western EC, Yancy WS, Edman JS, et al. "Carbohydrate Diet Program." Am. J. Med. 113 (2002): 30-36.
  • TheRealMarsupial12
    TheRealMarsupial12 Posts: 36
    First of all, that's not true about Atkins.

    Second, most of the other 'proof' you spewed is about high protein diets, not low carb/high fat diets.

    Third, nutritional ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis aren't the same thing.
    I love this one! I'm a definite fan of Dwayne Johnson. heart

    Atkins dies at age 73 of a heart attack which was preceded by a chronic congestive heart failure. He was 258 lbs and in poor health when he died. BTW, Atkins did NO research into his own diet, he simply prescribed a high-protein, high-fat, low-carb diet for his heart patients.

    American Journal of Kidney Diseases (2002) Reddy, et. al, "Consumption of an LCHP diet for 6 weeks delivers a marked acid load to the kidney, increases the risk for stone formation, decreases estimated calcium balance, and may increase the risk for bone loss."

    British Journal, 2012, A British-sponsored study followed Swedish women for 15 years and concluded that a high protein, low carb diet significantly increased the risk of heart disease.

    A four year long study, "Effects of Dietary Composition on Energy Expenditure During Weight-Loss Maintenance" was done at Boston Children's Hospital. They found that the resting metabolism rate of males consuming a high protein diet was reduced less than with other diets (a known side effect of dieting), which would lead to greater weight loss, HOWEVER, the C-reactive protein (or CRP), a marker we use to predict future and/or current heart disease was significantly elevated.

    When someone has ketones in their urine, we usually treat them for diabetic ketoacidosis and hope they don't become comatose. Urine ketones are NOT a positive indication!!

    There's a reason dieticians refer to a "balanced" diet. Balancing complex carbs, protein and fats along with portion control seems the only sensible answer to me.

    I've been a registered nurse for 20 years. I've treated people now on hemodialysis that were on high-protein diets for years. Granted, this is not empirical evidence, it's only anecdotal and some were definitely genetically predisposed to kidney disease. The empirical evidence points to increased weight loss at a cost of cardiac and renal health.
  • TheRealMarsupial12
    TheRealMarsupial12 Posts: 36
    I suck at posting.
  • ashransaid
    ashransaid Posts: 1 Member
    carbs is bad if you can't manage the intake!

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