How do you keep your food intake "Clean"?
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There is no need to be so condescending.
Can you help me understand how I was being "so condescending"? I specifically noted that educational systems have really failed to help the average individual get a good grasp on science, i.e. what's worth being cautious about and what is a healthy substance with a scary-sounding name. Science education really is a tremendous issue throughout the world. To condescend means to patronize and act superior; I'm not superior, I'm LUCKY that I had the opportunity to learn about science, and I wish you had been afforded the same opportunity.
My point was not that processed foods are the same as unprocessed foods, but simply that if you're going to use chemical names on labels as a metric, you do need to exercise a certain amount of caution. A lot of those scary-sounding names simply represent healthy and necessary nutrients that are also found in unprocessed foods, and it would be a damn shame if someone lived in fear of food labels because they don't realize that the scary-looking name is actually a necessary micronutrient.
Education is empowerment. If you want to avoid certain preservatives in your food, go for it! Just don't shoot yourself in the foot by running away from vitamins.0 -
That's insanely self-explanitory. What compirises an apple makes an apple. If there is an added chemical, then that IS the added chemical.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to accomplish by belittling someone's way of eating. You're grasping at straws with your "arguments" and basically trying to push your views on others. Seriously, that is all I see on websites like this. "NO, OUR WAY IS BETTER, F YOU". Knock it off. Accept and move on.0 -
I try and follow as close to Paleo nutrition as possible = try and eat as little or no processed food as possible. Paleo = if a caveman was alive how or what would he eat. No grocery store bag food etc. I too have had great success with this down 40 pounds and 25 inches. I also watch my carb intake, but with working out we still need 150g minimum or so porbably more for a guy. Good Luck on continued sucess!!! You got this! Read the websit "Mark's Daily Apple".Lol, cavemen drank untreated water and sucked marrow out of bones.
AND had a life expectancy of about 40 years...
Common misconception.
In reality, the "life expectancy" of prehistoric men was artificially low because of infant morality and accidental death due to injury. For the most part people who avoided dying of a minor disease while an infant, or breaking their leg on a hunt and being left behind, lived well into their 60s, 70s, and 80s.0 -
That's insanely self-explanitory. What compirises an apple makes an apple. If there is an added chemical, then that IS the added chemical.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to accomplish by belittling someone's way of eating. You're grasping at straws with your "arguments" and basically trying to push your views on others. Seriously, that is all I see on websites like this. "NO, OUR WAY IS BETTER, F YOU". Knock it off. Accept and move on.
The point those posters are trying to make is that statements like "I won't eat it if there are unpronounceable chemicals in it" is silly, because everything has unpronounceable chemicals in it.0 -
There is no need to be so condescending.
Can you help me understand how I was being "so condescending"? I specifically noted that educational systems have really failed to help the average individual get a good grasp on science, i.e. what's worth being cautious about and what is a healthy substance with a scary-sounding name. Science education really is a tremendous issue throughout the world. To condescend means to patronize and act superior; I'm not superior, I'm LUCKY that I had the opportunity to learn about science, and I wish you had been afforded the same opportunity.
My point was not that processed foods are the same as unprocessed foods, but simply that if you're going to use chemical names on labels as a metric, you do need to exercise a certain amount of caution. A lot of those scary-sounding names simply represent healthy and necessary nutrients that are also found in unprocessed foods, and it would be a damn shame if someone lived in fear of food labels because they don't realize that the scary-looking name is actually a necessary micronutrient.
You were being condescending by assuming that everyone that chooses to avoid man-made additives is doing so because they aren't educated enough to know what those additives are. That they needed you to educate them.
No science degree is needed to Google an additive.0 -
For me ........ ingesting as few "chemicals" as possible ...... not easy, but I try :drinker:
Best wishes & enjoy your journey !0 -
That's insanely self-explanitory. What compirises an apple makes an apple. If there is an added chemical, then that IS the added chemical.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to accomplish by belittling someone's way of eating. You're grasping at straws with your "arguments" and basically trying to push your views on others. Seriously, that is all I see on websites like this. "NO, OUR WAY IS BETTER, F YOU". Knock it off. Accept and move on.
The point those posters are trying to make is that statements like "I won't eat it if there are unpronounceable chemicals in it" is silly, because everything has unpronounceable chemicals in it.
Wasn't the statement "unpronounceable chemicals on the label"?0 -
No more (or minimalize) processed crap! If you cant pronounce the names of the ingredients or the list takes up half the label, you shouldn't be putting it in your body.
I think if you're going to evaluate foods in that manner, then you do need to know what you're talking about to an extent. Your average person will look at pyridoxal phosphate and think it's an evil preservative when, in fact, it's vitamin B6, which is incredibly important for multiple reactions in amino acid metabolism. Likewise, tocopheryl acetate? That's vitamin E, folks.
Realize that the entire world is made up of chemicals. You're eating a whole fruit, almond milk, or a plain steak? Entirely composed of chemicals - while some chemical compounds are naturally occurring and others are synthesized (sometimes a chemical is naturally occurring, but industrial synthesis is actually less expensive), that's what things are made of. Chemicals don't HAVE to be evil and scary, but unfortunately, to many people they are due to school systems falling short in science education.
I personally prefer to cook with things that don't come out of boxes, but realize that even the foods you consider "clean" are still composed of chemicals.
There is no need to be so condescending.
The chemicals in the natural foods will not be listed on any label. If I buy a bag of quinoa, the label will say "quinoa" not all the chemicals that make up the quinoa. Chemicals on a label are typically added by man. Vitamins or stabilizers or whatever, some people like to avoid those.
LOL, the people in this thread touting the God made chemicals are only amusing to each other. Dont let these people get to you. There is a time that we say what we honestly believe to be true and back out and let them gang up and bully people.
Oh yea, to further blow peoples minds, I believe in God too. :flowerforyou:
not really blowing peoples mind with the believing in god thing0 -
That's insanely self-explanitory. What compirises an apple makes an apple. If there is an added chemical, then that IS the added chemical.
I'm not sure what you guys are trying to accomplish by belittling someone's way of eating. You're grasping at straws with your "arguments" and basically trying to push your views on others. Seriously, that is all I see on websites like this. "NO, OUR WAY IS BETTER, F YOU". Knock it off. Accept and move on.
calm thy jimmies0 -
If you want to avoid certain preservatives in your food, go for it! Just don't shoot yourself in the foot by running away from vitamins.
Natural food has all the vitamins we need. If not, the human race would have died out long ago.0 -
You were being condescending by assuming that everyone that chooses to avoid man-made additives is doing so because they aren't educated enough to know what those additives are. That they needed you to educate them.
No science degree is needed to Google an additive.
I'm not under the impression that I'm educating anyone here. That would require people being willing to consider other viewpoints.
Of course a science degree isn't required to look up an additive - once again, I was simply addressing one user's system of not ingesting anything which has an ingredient he or she can't pronounce. That is a very different story from a person such as yourself who has chosen to avoid a handful of specific additives.
And regarding your comment that nature has all of the vitamins every single person needs, that simply isn't true in every case. For example, vitamin B2 (aka riboflavin) supplementation is a very common part of treatment protocols for migraine sufferers. While many foods are indeed rich in vitamin B2, the amount of those foods you'd need to eat in order to achieve clinical efficacy just isn't feasible. For the average person with no health issues though, yes, whole foods do contain what you need, and taking supplements beyond that is just making expensive pee.0 -
Also, the people who think natural = better are deluding themselves. Everything in nature has well-developed defense mechanisms. Surviving in nature is a constant arms race. Nature doesn't exist for our benefit. The history of organisms is a history of species taking advantage of one another, developing defenses against each other, and evolving new ways to get past those defenses and continue taking advantage of one another.
We exist because we evolved to survive despite other organisms' best efforts to screw us over. We evolved to be able to TOLERATE things in nature. They didn't evolve for OUR benefit.0 -
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Real food is clean food. making things from scratch. For example if you want chicken nuggets and French fries for dinner. Buy the chicken and bread them yourself. some might even say make your own bread crumbs and make your own French fries. sweet potato fries are so yummy with olive oil and some seasoning. Trying to keep the chemicals out of it, the less hands it touches the less processed it is.
If someone else makes it, it isn't clean anymore?0 -
And here's how this plays out...each and every time.
Person(s) A: I want to eat clean.
Person(s) B: What you mean?
Person(s) A: No processed food! No junk! No chemicals!
Person(s) B: Everything is made of chemicals. What do you mean by junk? What processes are referring to specifically?
Person(s) A: I meant artificial chemicals. And by junk I mean that the food has no nutritional value. I can't actually specify the processing I'm talking about in an articulate way, but basically mean anything that's packaged in a box and stored with artificial preservatives.
Person(s) B: Do you have some compelling evidence that these "artificial" chemicals have adverse reactions to humans that's based in credible, peer-reviewed science? Also, anything with either a macro or micronutrient has nutritional value; for that matter, water has neither, but we still need it. Again, what's your problem with packaged items and their preservatives.
And here's what never ever happens, but I really want it to.
Person(s) A: This is a faith-based nutritional initiative that I attempt to support with unconvincing evidence, but when that falls through I retreat into a "All I'm saying is that this works for me" stance--even though, I've been speaking in general terms about everything up until now, indicating that it should work for most everyone. And in two seconds, I'll attempt to deflect from the actual conversation (because I have nothing to add) by commenting about how mean and unsupportive people are. I may also talk about some sort of lifestyle change and journey because I need to reify this whole philosophy at this point.
EDIT: there may or may not be a side debate on what constitutes compelling evidence.
I was driving to work the other day and came to an interesting realization that paleo/clean is like the christianity of food.
It's a loose analogy I freely admit- but it made me smile and chuckle on my way to work.
Ultimately it makes them feel better- gives people a leg to stand on (shakey and hypothetical but a 'leg' I guess none the less) and "it works" for them. Which is great- I'm all about doing what works for you.
They also tend to be exceptionally judgey about other peoples decisions with food. There are many "sects" if you will and often none of them agree with each other.
anyway- it was amusing to me- take it as far or as short as you like- and it isn't a judgement on either types- it's mostly an observation of steryeotypes that I made while driving to work. I don't hold anyone's belief's or choices against them as long as they are educated and understanding what they are doing. I dont' expect a full scientific break down of christianity- much like I don't expect any sort of scientific break down on paleo and why it works. It works- and it makes them happy.
well that's going to be an awfully short life- how do do it with the breathing of the H2O? I mean that right there violates your basic premise!!For me ........ ingesting as few "chemicals" as possible ...... not easy, but I try drinker
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You were being condescending by assuming that everyone that chooses to avoid man-made additives is doing so because they aren't educated enough to know what those additives are. That they needed you to educate them.
No science degree is needed to Google an additive.
I'm not under the impression that I'm educating anyone here. That would require people being willing to consider other viewpoints.
Of course a science degree isn't required to look up an additive - once again, I was simply addressing one user's system of not ingesting anything which has an ingredient he or she can't pronounce. That is a very different story from a person such as yourself who has chosen to avoid a handful of specific additives.
And regarding your comment that nature has all of the vitamins every single person needs, that simply isn't true in every case. For example, vitamin B2 (aka riboflavin) supplementation is a very common part of treatment protocols for migraine sufferers. While many foods are indeed rich in vitamin B2, the amount of those foods you'd need to eat in order to achieve clinical efficacy just isn't feasible. For the average person with no health issues though, yes, whole foods do contain what you need, and taking supplements beyond that is just making expensive pee.
*sigh* Now you are just being silly.
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Personally I try to avoid process food, I eat a lot of fruit and veg grown on my allotment when its available or I go to our local indoor market, I find supermarket shopping is a nightmare there just seems to be isles of processed crap, ready meals full of sugar (who adds sugar to spag boll?) I do eat a lot of chicken which seems to be creping up in price all the time. I hate takeaways especially burgers (apparently if there was no lettuce in a big mac it would be classed as a desert wtf? )
I like to roast my vegetables in a little olive oil which helps your body absorb the vitamins, my biggest problem is the amount of coffee I seem to consume which is one of the only things I get in a supermarket.0 -
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Now there are going to be dozens of people that are things like gym teachers, stay at home dads and car sales men that are going to come into this thread and tout that "science" does not suggest that eating kale is better than eating doritos and that will fight tooth and nail that a cheeseburger from 5 guys is just as healthy as a spinach salad. I laugh and move on.
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I was waiting for someone to mention this
Heh - the "Miracle Diet" ... You can only have Fish Sandwiches and Wine.0 -
Now there are going to be dozens of people that are things like gym teachers, stay at home dads and car sales men that are going to come into this thread and tout that "science" does not suggest that eating kale is better than eating doritos and that will fight tooth and nail that a cheeseburger from 5 guys is just as healthy as a spinach salad. I laugh and move on.
What does this even mean?
considering kale is absolutely the most disgusting thing pushed on us by the "health food" guru's I'm all about dorito's and bugers.
*kitten* eating kale. that *kitten* is nasty.0 -
Now there are going to be dozens of people that are things like gym teachers, stay at home dads and car sales men that are going to come into this thread and tout that "science" does not suggest that eating kale is better than eating doritos and that will fight tooth and nail that a cheeseburger from 5 guys is just as healthy as a spinach salad. I laugh and move on.
What does this even mean?
That she believes that the only people who make posts referring to science are know-nothings. Oh, and that context (as far as your overall diet and needs) does not matter when considering which food is a better choice.
Whatever. Perhaps she does not realize that there are plenty of people on here who have science careers. And that there are plenty of people who simply enjoy science and know what they're talking about, degree or no.0 -
I was waiting for someone to mention this
Is this the "Fishes and Loaves" diet? Cause i eat a whole whitefish fillet and 2 slices of 12 grain bread (yes 12 as in the appossels (typo likely sue me) - 3-4 times a week....Im down for it
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I've always enjoyed nutrient dense foods over those of less nutritional density, but I've never really considered myself a "clean eater". I don't kick myself for enjoying a couple beers a night or for the weekly "dirty" burger and fries. To each their own, I suppose.0
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If you cant pronounce the names of the ingredients or the list takes up half the label, you shouldn't be putting it in your body.
Then what do you eat??? Even fruits and veggies are made up of things I can't pronounce....
Wow, where do you shop? I have yet to see the ingredient list of chemicals on the side of an apple.
here you go...
Alpha-Linolenic-Acid, Asparagine, D-Categin, Isoqurctrin, Hyperoside, Ferulic-Acid, Farnesene, Neoxathin, Phosphatidyl-Choline, Reynoutrin, Sinapic-Acid, Caffeic-Acid, Chlorogenic-Acid, P-Hydroxy-Benzoic-Acid, P-Coumaric-Acid, Avicularin, Lutein, Quercitin, Rutin, Ursolic-Acid, Protocatechuic-Acid, and Silver, Vitamin A, B1, B2, and B6, Niacin, Pantothenic acid, Folic acid, Vitamin C and Vitamin E, Calcium, Copper, Iron, Magnesium, Manganese, Phosphorus, Pottassium, Selenium, Sodium, and Zinc, Tryptophan, Threonine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lycine, Methionine, Cystine, Phenylalanine, Tyrosine, Valine, Argenine, Histidine, Alanine, Aspartic Acid, Glutamic Acid, Glycine, Proline, and Serine and Trace amounts of Boron and Cobalt
I'd suggest steering clear of you apple until you figure out what all of these things are...
What stores show this on their labels?
Love this view on things, so if the food industry comes up with nice, easily pronounceable names for everything on the box then hey presto, its clean?
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Also, the people who think natural = better are deluding themselves. Everything in nature has well-developed defense mechanisms. Surviving in nature is a constant arms race. Nature doesn't exist for our benefit. The history of organisms is a history of species taking advantage of one another, developing defenses against each other, and evolving new ways to get past those defenses and continue taking advantage of one another.
We exist because we evolved to survive despite other organisms' best efforts to screw us over. We evolved to be able to TOLERATE things in nature. They didn't evolve for OUR benefit.
No, no, NO!
We are the center of the universe. Everything was created to serve us! Isn't it obvious!? That's why there's nothing natural that can harm us in any way!!!
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