Paleo = dying young?
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I'm glad you established the exact value of what a 'cheat' is.
Thanks! I can see some folks are really struggling with this, so I'm glad I could help!
:drinker:
It must be terribly fun to live in a world of absolutes.
Absolutely!0 -
Sigh. Do whatever freaking works for you. I know many people who personally feel better now than they ever have because of switching to a Paleo lifestyle. All you have to do is Google and you will see a score of people who are now ailment-free because of ditching grains, gluten, dairy, etc. You really think all these people are making it up? Sorry, I don't.
Aren't anecdotes awesome?!
Absolutely, they are. When a friend tells me how great they feel, sorry if I don't feel the urge to tell them 'Nope, sorry, don't believe you. I need science.'
You probably should.
But since you don't can I sell you some Snakeology? It worked great for me! Lost all the weight and cleared up my skin and grew hair on my head. How big an order can I put you down for?
Being skeptical about claims, ESPECIALLY when it comes to weight loss, is crucial. There are a million people trying to sell you some crap that won't work.
It would be fun to do a google search like this:
site:myfitnesspal.com "feel great"
to see what comes up. People report "feeling great" on all manner of crazy unhealthy trash, like juice cleanses, lemon water detoxes, HCG diets, <900 calorie diets, etc etc. It's also easy to find many reports online from former vegans who for years proclaimed they "never felt better" until they finally gave in and realized their bodies were in terrible shape and they had been fooling themselves all these years.
"Feels great" is meaningless. People who buy into a fad diet invariably "feel great" because they want to. No one wants to believe they bought into and followed some stupid idea for months or years.
I watched Jack Lemmon in the Great Race the other day and I personally felt great; I also walked passed a lemon as I drank my coffee and felt even better!0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist0 -
K8 --
I'm not sure I'd saying killing us. But there are a lot of people that have issues with components in grains -- whether that's gluten or otherwise. And we are eating them (along with sugar and processed foods) in far higher proportion than we ever have before the last 100 years or so.
Is it correlation or causation? Hard to say at this point, but many people are having success when eliminating or reducing them from their diet.
That is a whole different ball game... it's one thing if you have an autoimmune disorder (such as diabetes, celiac's, etc) where eating things like grains, could quite literally kill you... or at the very least make you feel like you are dying.... but for many people that don't have these disease's and disorders (and believing you do based on a google search and not an actual diagnoses doesn't count as having the disease)... it's kind of a moot point.0 -
It can be low-carb or it can be quite heavy on the carbs depending on the person's goals -- but what they have in common is the type of carbs, protein and fat. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the subject matter at hand before you rile against it.
I. Never. Mentioned. Macros.
I give up - have fun storming the castle!
:drinker:
Then what in the heck was this "If someone is eating 40/40/20 during their "paleo" phase and then 0/0/20 during their "20%" phase, they're basically right back to SAD" suppose to mean?0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist
Oh, really? Have you read either Deep Nutrition or Good Calories Bad Calories, or any of the studies cited therein? Oh, and what is your background to evaluate those studies? I have a science degree from one of the top research universities in the world. I've read quite a bit about it -- enough so, that I was willing to give it a try myself.
The research is in its infancy, but it is increasing. Where is your counter? Other than just conclusory statements...0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist
Oh, really? Have you read either Deep Nutrition or Good Calories Bad Calories, or any of the studies cited therein? Oh, and what is your background to evaluate those studies? I have a science degree from one of the top research universities in the world. I've read quite a bit about it -- enough so, that I was willing to give it a try myself.
The research is in its infancy, but it is increasing. Where is your counter? Other than just conclusory statements...
I have read GCBC and Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and a a few other pseudoscience books. Hey remember when Taubes completely made up most of the books he wrote? Or Dr Davis totally made up conclusions and cited studies that said the exact opposite of what he was saying? Or how about when Cordain was anti saturated fat till all the other paleo and low carb gurus jumped on him to switch his stance? Or when Cordain purposely left out mostly plant based diet hunter gatherers in his Paleolithic diet recreation?
I also have a science degree
What counter?0 -
K8 --
I'm not sure I'd saying killing us. But there are a lot of people that have issues with components in grains -- whether that's gluten or otherwise. And we are eating them (along with sugar and processed foods) in far higher proportion than we ever have before the last 100 years or so.
Is it correlation or causation? Hard to say at this point, but many people are having success when eliminating or reducing them from their diet.
That is a whole different ball game... it's one thing if you have an autoimmune disorder (such as diabetes, celiac's, etc) where eating things like grains, could quite literally kill you... or at the very least make you feel like you are dying.... but for many people that don't have these disease's and disorders (and believing you do based on a google search and not an actual diagnoses doesn't count as having the disease)... it's kind of a moot point.
It is and it isn't. Many diseases, syndromes and disorders lie on a spectrum -- and have no definitive tests, but can only be diagnosed/treated clinically (i.e. by symptoms). Someone can have Hashi's, but their reaction can range from mild to severe, so their tolerance of those triggers varies -- from virtually no response to an extreme response. Same with insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes, diabetes, celiac, gluten sensitivity, and many others. For some people, they have no reaction or don't have the disorder/disease. Oftentimes, much of our western medicine only sees the most extreme cases. So if you're not super sick, you often won't get treatment although you're far from optimal. We're starting to see this in thyroid disorders and gluten sensitivity in particular. Same with diabetes and prediabetes -- doctors are seeing the signs earlier and trying to prevent or reverse them when possible.
So, yeah, if you have no issues, you're in the clear. If you're on the other extreme, you probably already know about it. But if you're in the middle and I'd guess a lot of people are, they are impacted but not to such a degree to get caught by our western medicine. Then they change their diet and they feel a whole lot better. They had a milder presentation.0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist
Oh, really? Have you read either Deep Nutrition or Good Calories Bad Calories, or any of the studies cited therein? Oh, and what is your background to evaluate those studies? I have a science degree from one of the top research universities in the world. I've read quite a bit about it -- enough so, that I was willing to give it a try myself.
The research is in its infancy, but it is increasing. Where is your counter? Other than just conclusory statements...
I have read GCBC and Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and a a few other pseudoscience books. Hey remember when Taubes completely made up most of the books he wrote? Or Dr Davis totally made up conclusions and cited studies that said the exact opposite of what he was saying? Or how about when Cordain was anti saturated fat till all the other paleo and low carb gurus jumped on him to switch his stance? Or when Cordain purposely left out mostly plant based diet hunter gatherers in his Paleolithic diet recreation?
I also have a science degree
What counter?
So what is the counter -- that you just don't believe some of the underlying studies? Or because some made false claims or linked bad research, that it all gets thrown out the window? Do the proposed physiological theories just not make sense to you? I can't say with certainty that they're correct, but they do look plausible.
And there are a lot of people that have found relief and excellent results through their personal experience. They may be linking the wrong things, sure, but do you think it's really all coincidental and/or anecdotal?0 -
I have never seen any shredded cavemen. Maybe 10% minimum BF. The only ones that were lower than that were dying of starvation. Must have been on less than 1200.0
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I have friends that do the Paleo and gluten free thing (I understand they aren't mutually inclusive). My problem with the it and the 80/20 thing is that my friends make it a big deal, condescendingly informing us about what they can't eat, oh I can't eat your yummy homemade granola because it has oats in it, or I can't eat lentils (what's the matter with lentils?) But craft beer or margaritas are okay for some reason. Did your imagined wheat allergy get too drunk to remember to bother you? :huh:0
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the paleo diet is based upon everyday, modern foods that mimic the food groups of our pre-agricultural, hunter-gatherer ancestors. The following seven fundamental characteristics of hunter-gatherer diets will help to optimize your health, minimize your risk of chronic disease, and lose weight.
I think this is one of the better diets out there because it strays people away from eating processed foods/ unnatural foods. I do, however, still eat carbs. I believing in implement healthy carbs into my diet and eating organic meats (rather than meat stuffed with hormones) but honestly eating healthy in general should not be a "diet", it should be lifestyle change.0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist
Oh, really? Have you read either Deep Nutrition or Good Calories Bad Calories, or any of the studies cited therein? Oh, and what is your background to evaluate those studies? I have a science degree from one of the top research universities in the world. I've read quite a bit about it -- enough so, that I was willing to give it a try myself.
The research is in its infancy, but it is increasing. Where is your counter? Other than just conclusory statements...
I have read GCBC and Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and a a few other pseudoscience books. Hey remember when Taubes completely made up most of the books he wrote? Or Dr Davis totally made up conclusions and cited studies that said the exact opposite of what he was saying? Or how about when Cordain was anti saturated fat till all the other paleo and low carb gurus jumped on him to switch his stance? Or when Cordain purposely left out mostly plant based diet hunter gatherers in his Paleolithic diet recreation?
I also have a science degree
What counter?
So what is the counter -- that you just don't believe some of the underlying studies? Or because some made false claims or linked bad research, that it all gets thrown out the window? Do the proposed physiological theories just not make sense to you? I can't say with certainty that they're correct, but they do look plausible.
And there are a lot of people that have found relief and excellent results through their personal experience. They may be linking the wrong things, sure, but do you think it's really all coincidental and/or anecdotal?
It's not that I don't believe the underlying studies, they are cherry picked to fit a hypothesis. Which by the way is the exact thing Taubes criticized others for. Taubes found a study that showed the obese at as much or less than the lean and then said well it can't be about calories then, it has to be something else and pointed the finger at carbs and insulin. But as we know that study was based off self reported intake and we know how accurate that is, particularly when dealing with the obese.
It looks plausible that carbs and only carbs cause insulin secretion as Taubes theorizes? Or that obesity causes overeating and not the other way around as Taubes also theorizes? Gooby pls0 -
How I eat is probably loosely considered paleo. I use butter which I believe is a big no no for them and I tolerate white potatoes just fine and have been eating them a bit (sweet potatoes are a big no! Instant pain). I'm doing it because I have terrible IBS that has only been helped by eating a careful diet. As far as diets go I do not think Paleo is worthy of all the flack it gets.
Grains don't work for me and I imagine the same is true for many others. Whether it is recent changes that have been done to our wheat supply or something else, I don't know. In my opinion if you have health problems that might be helped by diet change, give it a try. Paleo or paleo-ish diets do not mean you need to eat nothing but red, fatty meats. You can eat veggies, fruit and lean meats exclusively if you want.0 -
I'm glad you established the exact value of what a 'cheat' is.
Thanks! I can see some folks are really struggling with this, so I'm glad I could help!
:drinker:
It must be terribly fun to live in a world of absolutes.
Absolutely!
Okay, that was pretty good.:smokin:0 -
Eat like the cave men huh? Conflicted I Be!
Some say its healthy cause you leave out all the grains that were not a part of that diet, but some believe cavemen didnt live long because of all the high fatty meats they ate caused early deaths because of the cholesterol.
I think it be another fad. Look at Atkins....sure it helped, but was it a healthy life style change? Leaning more towards NO!
Eat what makes you feel fit, energetic, nourished and healthy. If that is the paleo lifestyle, so be it. if not, then find something that fits for you.
The mentality toward "diets" on this forum (on the part of some, not all) is akin to religion where some people want their God and their path to be the only truth. It's silly.0 -
Can I ask how paleo is unhealthy? Comparing that to shakeology or HCG isn't apples to apples. I see paleo as more as someone choosing to eat vegetarian.
From the first page:
"Paleo is a gimmick and there's nothing inherently healthier about it."
I suppose I should add this addendum:
"unless you have some medical condition that precludes you from consuming some subset of foods that happen to coincide with the subset of foods paleo prohibits, even though paleo was not designed with those medical conditions in mind."
that is what I was thinking of saying...0 -
slight de-rail….This thread is now about keto and low carb diets for terminally ill cancer patients.0 -
When I did a full year of strict paleo in 2012, I felt great. Lots of energy, good body composition, put on 20 pounds while maintaining BF% by eating at a surplus.
And in 2013, when I ate whatever I wanted (while still hitting my macros as in reaching my protein and fat targets), I felt great. Lots of energy, good body composition, made decent progress in the gym and on the trail.
I do keep trying to add in more of the nutrient-dense foods into my diet (and especially now since I'm early in a cut).
Conclusion? There is none. I just wanted in this thread.0 -
I have friends that do the Paleo and gluten free thing (I understand they aren't mutually inclusive). My problem with the it and the 80/20 thing is that my friends make it a big deal, condescendingly informing us about what they can't eat, oh I can't eat your yummy homemade granola because it has oats in it, or I can't eat lentils (what's the matter with lentils?) But craft beer or margaritas are okay for some reason. Did your imagined wheat allergy get too drunk to remember to bother you? :huh:
Yeah, that would stink. Anyone that acts condescending or holier than thou is super off-putting - -whether it's food, politics, religion, etc. -- your friends aren't cool in that regard at all. As far as the lentils go, it's a lechtin thing.0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist
Oh, really? Have you read either Deep Nutrition or Good Calories Bad Calories, or any of the studies cited therein? Oh, and what is your background to evaluate those studies? I have a science degree from one of the top research universities in the world. I've read quite a bit about it -- enough so, that I was willing to give it a try myself.
The research is in its infancy, but it is increasing. Where is your counter? Other than just conclusory statements...
I have read GCBC and Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and a a few other pseudoscience books. Hey remember when Taubes completely made up most of the books he wrote? Or Dr Davis totally made up conclusions and cited studies that said the exact opposite of what he was saying? Or how about when Cordain was anti saturated fat till all the other paleo and low carb gurus jumped on him to switch his stance? Or when Cordain purposely left out mostly plant based diet hunter gatherers in his Paleolithic diet recreation?
I also have a science degree
What counter?
So what is the counter -- that you just don't believe some of the underlying studies? Or because some made false claims or linked bad research, that it all gets thrown out the window? Do the proposed physiological theories just not make sense to you? I can't say with certainty that they're correct, but they do look plausible.
And there are a lot of people that have found relief and excellent results through their personal experience. They may be linking the wrong things, sure, but do you think it's really all coincidental and/or anecdotal?
It's not that I don't believe the underlying studies, they are cherry picked to fit a hypothesis. Which by the way is the exact thing Taubes criticized others for. Taubes found a study that showed the obese at as much or less than the lean and then said well it can't be about calories then, it has to be something else and pointed the finger at carbs and insulin. But as we know that study was based off self reported intake and we know how accurate that is, particularly when dealing with the obese.
It looks plausible that carbs and only carbs cause insulin secretion as Taubes theorizes? Or that obesity causes overeating and not the other way around as Taubes also theorizes? Gooby pls
I wouldn't go as far to say that only carbs causes insulin secretion as the endrocrine system is fairly complex and we're still learning about the various interactions with glands, organs and organ systems. But, there is a notable increase in insulin secretion after ingesting carbs, which is especially important for those with insulin regulation and metabolism problems -- whether it's diabetes, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, etc. And we do know that people (at least in the US) are eating far more carbs in the forms of processed grains and sugar (or their derivatives) compared with even 50-100 years ago and that we have a much higher incidence of obesity through the nation. Could that be just a coincidence? Seems unlikely, even if we aren't sure of the exact mechanism(s).0 -
How I eat is probably loosely considered paleo. I use butter which I believe is a big no no for them and I tolerate white potatoes just fine and have been eating them a bit (sweet potatoes are a big no! Instant pain). I'm doing it because I have terrible IBS that has only been helped by eating a careful diet. As far as diets go I do not think Paleo is worthy of all the flack it gets.
Grains don't work for me and I imagine the same is true for many others. Whether it is recent changes that have been done to our wheat supply or something else, I don't know. In my opinion if you have health problems that might be helped by diet change, give it a try. Paleo or paleo-ish diets do not mean you need to eat nothing but red, fatty meats. You can eat veggies, fruit and lean meats exclusively if you want.
Actually butter is totally fine in Primal (not sure about all Paleo variations as some strict Paleo says no dairy whatsoever) -- just look for pasture-raised or grass-fed butter like Kerrygold.0 -
How I eat is probably loosely considered paleo. I use butter which I believe is a big no no for them and I tolerate white potatoes just fine and have been eating them a bit (sweet potatoes are a big no! Instant pain). I'm doing it because I have terrible IBS that has only been helped by eating a careful diet. As far as diets go I do not think Paleo is worthy of all the flack it gets.
Grains don't work for me and I imagine the same is true for many others. Whether it is recent changes that have been done to our wheat supply or something else, I don't know. In my opinion if you have health problems that might be helped by diet change, give it a try. Paleo or paleo-ish diets do not mean you need to eat nothing but red, fatty meats. You can eat veggies, fruit and lean meats exclusively if you want.
Actually butter is totally fine in Primal (not sure about all Paleo variations as some strict Paleo says no dairy whatsoever) -- just look for pasture-raised or grass-fed butter like Kerrygold.
One of the things that carried over for me beyond 2012 is Kerrygold butter...
...because it is delicious.0 -
I wouldn't mind Paleo so much if you didn't have to spend twice as much on food or have to go slaughter the animals yourself because you can't find it in the grocery store... Or that they like to base their belief on the idea that agriculture is what is making us fat... depsite the fact that society has used and depended on agriculture for 10,000 years and only the last 30 is how long we have been battling obesity.
Coinciding with PE and recess disappearing from schools, parents not allowing their children to just go outside and play all day, the Internet and more time spent in front of video games.
But it must be the wheat. ;-)0 -
I wouldn't mind Paleo so much if you didn't have to spend twice as much on food or have to go slaughter the animals yourself because you can't find it in the grocery store... Or that they like to base their belief on the idea that agriculture is what is making us fat... depsite the fact that society has used and depended on agriculture for 10,000 years and only the last 30 is how long we have been battling obesity.
Coinciding with PE and recess disappearing from schools, parents not allowing their children to just go outside and play all day, the Internet and more time spent in front of video games.
But it must be the wheat. ;-)
It has nothing to do with increasingly sedentary jobs and lifestyles and greater availability and decreasing price of high-calorie foods.
It's just that people stopped eating Paleo since 1980.0 -
How I eat is probably loosely considered paleo. I use butter which I believe is a big no no for them and I tolerate white potatoes just fine and have been eating them a bit (sweet potatoes are a big no! Instant pain). I'm doing it because I have terrible IBS that has only been helped by eating a careful diet. As far as diets go I do not think Paleo is worthy of all the flack it gets.
Grains don't work for me and I imagine the same is true for many others. Whether it is recent changes that have been done to our wheat supply or something else, I don't know. In my opinion if you have health problems that might be helped by diet change, give it a try. Paleo or paleo-ish diets do not mean you need to eat nothing but red, fatty meats. You can eat veggies, fruit and lean meats exclusively if you want.
Actually butter is totally fine in Primal (not sure about all Paleo variations as some strict Paleo says no dairy whatsoever) -- just look for pasture-raised or grass-fed butter like Kerrygold.
LOL because we all know cavemen had butter churns in their caves….0 -
Acg67--
I don't think it's demonizing, it's taking a reasoned position. If you read more of the science behind it, perhaps you'd understand it. But, since you haven't, I suppose it's easier to just scoff at that which you don't understand.
I'm familiar with the science behind it or should we say lackthereof. Since we're jumping to conclusions, I'm going to say I've done much more research on the Paleo diet than you have. Hey remember that study that controlled cals and macros and one group ate a paleo diet and the other ate evil non paleo and paleo foods and the paleo diet group had much better blood markers of health, weight loss and fat loss? Oh yeah, that doesn't exist
Oh, really? Have you read either Deep Nutrition or Good Calories Bad Calories, or any of the studies cited therein? Oh, and what is your background to evaluate those studies? I have a science degree from one of the top research universities in the world. I've read quite a bit about it -- enough so, that I was willing to give it a try myself.
The research is in its infancy, but it is increasing. Where is your counter? Other than just conclusory statements...
I have read GCBC and Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and a a few other pseudoscience books. Hey remember when Taubes completely made up most of the books he wrote? Or Dr Davis totally made up conclusions and cited studies that said the exact opposite of what he was saying? Or how about when Cordain was anti saturated fat till all the other paleo and low carb gurus jumped on him to switch his stance? Or when Cordain purposely left out mostly plant based diet hunter gatherers in his Paleolithic diet recreation?
I also have a science degree
What counter?
So what is the counter -- that you just don't believe some of the underlying studies? Or because some made false claims or linked bad research, that it all gets thrown out the window? Do the proposed physiological theories just not make sense to you? I can't say with certainty that they're correct, but they do look plausible.
And there are a lot of people that have found relief and excellent results through their personal experience. They may be linking the wrong things, sure, but do you think it's really all coincidental and/or anecdotal?
It's not that I don't believe the underlying studies, they are cherry picked to fit a hypothesis. Which by the way is the exact thing Taubes criticized others for. Taubes found a study that showed the obese at as much or less than the lean and then said well it can't be about calories then, it has to be something else and pointed the finger at carbs and insulin. But as we know that study was based off self reported intake and we know how accurate that is, particularly when dealing with the obese.
It looks plausible that carbs and only carbs cause insulin secretion as Taubes theorizes? Or that obesity causes overeating and not the other way around as Taubes also theorizes? Gooby pls
I wouldn't go as far to say that only carbs causes insulin secretion as the endrocrine system is fairly complex and we're still learning about the various interactions with glands, organs and organ systems. But, there is a notable increase in insulin secretion after ingesting carbs, which is especially important for those with insulin regulation and metabolism problems -- whether it's diabetes, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, etc. And we do know that people (at least in the US) are eating far more carbs in the forms of processed grains and sugar (or their derivatives) compared with even 50-100 years ago and that we have a much higher incidence of obesity through the nation. Could that be just a coincidence? Seems unlikely, even if we aren't sure of the exact mechanism(s).
IMO, carbs go hand in hand with activity level. Carbs, more or less are just an energy nutrient. If your are active (which you should be) your carb needs increase. Activity also makes you insulin sensitive, which IMO, negates the issues with carbs raising insulin. Now if you are sedentary and or overweight, you probably should not go to town on carbs. Get the majority of your carbs form fruits and vegetables–sprinkle in some grains, starches and sweets for variety and pleasure.0 -
Eat like the cave men huh? Conflicted I Be!
Some say its healthy cause you leave out all the grains that were not a part of that diet, but some believe cavemen didnt live long because of all the high fatty meats they ate caused early deaths because of the cholesterol.
I think it be another fad. Look at Atkins....sure it helped, but was it a healthy life style change? Leaning more towards NO!
Everything in moderation.0 -
i agree with this
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