Why "clean eating" is a myth

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,017 Member
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    Unless there is a reason, like "I really love Chalupas and still want to eat them regularly."

    I don't know what you are talking about, because here in Mexico Chalupas are 100% clean/natural/whole foods and that is why I enjoy them and other botanas often.....yay !
    How in the world is a chalupa a whole food? An apple is a whole food.
    This is one aspect that I think confuses people. Grind corn and toast it to make a cup then fill with ingredients of your choice, normally recognizable like pork, chicken peppers, cilantro......so the argument is because the corn was ground, normally mortar and pestle it's no longer a whole food but some concoction that is somehow less than the sum of it's parts or something to that thought process.

    I don't think most people have a problem with the process of grinding corn up and making a tortilla from it, but a tortilla is no longer a whole food. The corn is. A taco can be made from 100% natural, processed-by-hand ingredients but it's not a whole food.
    And people lean on that definition to support the fact that the food is no longer considered clean because it's been processed, therefore for the most part nothing is clean, therefore clean has no definition ad nauseam. Not saying everyone thinks this way but I see it every time a thread talks about clean.
  • jonnythan
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    Money quote:

    "What’s more, ADA research indicates that diets with more rules than a cricket match are difficult to follow on a long-term basis, which makes someone more likely to fall off the wagon and into a Roscoe’s House of Chicken ’n Waffles."

    Amusing:

    "Also, hydrocolonic therapy isn’t regulated by the Food and Drug Administration, which means that anyone with a water hose and a Dirt Devil can call themselves a “professional.” Here’s a thought: You need a license to cut hair and paint fingernails but not to Roto-Rooter someone’s rear end."
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
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    http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

    If you're really interested in the info, then read the article. If you want to debate the info, read the article first then debate the information you disagree with, BUT be sure to have a reference to support your stance.
    From what I've read and discovered from my time in the fitness industry, I find this article to be quite accurate when it comes to "clean eating" and it being a myth, especially when lots of information on eating is taken out of context.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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    I didn't even read the rest of this thread. "Make sure to have a reference to support your stance." Since you didn't write this, and it's a blog of personal opinion, YOU don't have a source. :noway: Hilarious. Go back to your first college class on writing research papers and revisit how to evaluate credible sources.
  • Ang108
    Ang108 Posts: 1,711 Member
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    Unless there is a reason, like "I really love Chalupas and still want to eat them regularly."

    I don't know what you are talking about, because here in Mexico Chalupas are 100% clean/natural/whole foods and that is why I enjoy them and other botanas often.....yay !

    I honestly didn't know chalupas were an actual thing. I figured it was some word Taco Bell made up that sounded vaguely like a Mexican food :laugh:

    You get the idea though. "I really really like a lot of foods that are not considered clean, see no reason to cut them out, and will probably have compliance issues if I try" is a good enough reason for many people not to "try" eating clean.

    Yes, I get what you are saying, but would like to add that this statement is only applicable and true as far as Taco Bell is concerned.
    Here in Mexico Chalupas are a mde-on-the-spot food and are made by grinding all natural corn that has been nixtamalized ( natural process that makes the nutrients in the corn more readily available ) and forming them and baking/toasting them on an artesanal or commericl comal/griddle. They are then stuffed with refried beans , topped with shredded lettuce, onions and salsa and topped with fresh cheese, or if people can spend more there is chicken , pork or beef between the beans and the green stuff.
    Since here in Mexico everything ( as far as Chalupas are concerned ) is freshly made from scratch I consider them to be " whole & healthy " nutritious food. I have no idea how they are made at Taco bell and what chemicals the different ingredients have to ensure a relative shelf life in a national chain restaurant, but also have no idea what the original quality of the ingredients is like. Most likely that does not play a big role for weight loss, but could make a big difference imo as far as health is concerned.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

    If you're really interested in the info, then read the article. If you want to debate the info, read the article first then debate the information you disagree with, BUT be sure to have a reference to support your stance.
    From what I've read and discovered from my time in the fitness industry, I find this article to be quite accurate when it comes to "clean eating" and it being a myth, especially when lots of information on eating is taken out of context.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    I didn't even read the rest of this thread. "Make sure to have a reference to support your stance." Since you didn't write this, and it's a blog of personal opinion, YOU don't have a source. :noway: Hilarious. Go back to your first college class on writing research papers and revisit how to evaluate credible sources.

    Wait, what? Is there something wrong with posting an opinion piece, particularly an opinion piece that has 100+ actual references?
  • Kayden1986
    Kayden1986 Posts: 189 Member
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    sheep say bahhh
  • vegankalequeen
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    Why would they try to dismay people from eating healthy foods? Sure, calorie in-calorie out for weightloss, but weight isn't the only indicator of health.
  • EvanKeel
    EvanKeel Posts: 1,904 Member
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    http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

    If you're really interested in the info, then read the article. If you want to debate the info, read the article first then debate the information you disagree with, BUT be sure to have a reference to support your stance.
    From what I've read and discovered from my time in the fitness industry, I find this article to be quite accurate when it comes to "clean eating" and it being a myth, especially when lots of information on eating is taken out of context.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    I didn't even read the rest of this thread. "Make sure to have a reference to support your stance." Since you didn't write this, and it's a blog of personal opinion, YOU don't have a source. :noway: Hilarious. Go back to your first college class on writing research papers and revisit how to evaluate credible sources.

    He doesn't need a source. The blog article cites their sources. He's simply presenting the information. In this way, the OP is nothing more than a portal for the information. And he's basically just asking people to support their criticism of the piece with their own sources, which is a reasonable request.

    If the OP was claiming the piece as his own, he'd need to cite his source. Then again, the article already has the sources. So....

    What exactly is your problem?

    And what, pray tell, is the most appropriate citation method for a blog editorial? MLA, APA, Chicago? Give me a break.
  • IronPlayground
    IronPlayground Posts: 1,594 Member
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    http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

    If you're really interested in the info, then read the article. If you want to debate the info, read the article first then debate the information you disagree with, BUT be sure to have a reference to support your stance.
    From what I've read and discovered from my time in the fitness industry, I find this article to be quite accurate when it comes to "clean eating" and it being a myth, especially when lots of information on eating is taken out of context.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    I didn't even read the rest of this thread. "Make sure to have a reference to support your stance." Since you didn't write this, and it's a blog of personal opinion, YOU don't have a source. :noway: Hilarious. Go back to your first college class on writing research papers and revisit how to evaluate credible sources.

    You should've read instead of making ridiculous statements.

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  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
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    In for discussion.
  • the_texreb
    the_texreb Posts: 138 Member
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    I LIKE GIRL SCOUT COOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Blue801
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    Unless there is a reason, like "I really love Chalupas and still want to eat them regularly."

    I don't know what you are talking about, because here in Mexico Chalupas are 100% clean/natural/whole foods and that is why I enjoy them and other botanas often.....yay !

    I honestly didn't know chalupas were an actual thing. I figured it was some word Taco Bell made up that sounded vaguely like a Mexican food :laugh:

    You get the idea though. "I really really like a lot of foods that are not considered clean, see no reason to cut them out, and will probably have compliance issues if I try" is a good enough reason for many people not to "try" eating clean.

    Yes, I get what you are saying, but would like to add that this statement is only applicable and true as far as Taco Bell is concerned.
    Here in Mexico Chalupas are a mde-on-the-spot food and are made by grinding all natural corn that has been nixtamalized ( natural process that makes the nutrients in the corn more readily available ) and forming them and baking/toasting them on an artesanal or commericl comal/griddle. They are then stuffed with refried beans , topped with shredded lettuce, onions and salsa and topped with fresh cheese, or if people can spend more there is chicken , pork or beef between the beans and the green stuff.
    Since here in Mexico everything ( as far as Chalupas are concerned ) is freshly made from scratch I consider them to be " whole & healthy " nutritious food. I have no idea how they are made at Taco bell and what chemicals the different ingredients have to ensure a relative shelf life in a national chain restaurant, but also have no idea what the original quality of the ingredients is like. Most likely that does not play a big role for weight loss, but could make a big difference imo as far as health is concerned.

    Nutritionally speaking that isn't a whole food anymore... That's why I was perplexed. I had thought you were being sarcastic at first, but now I see you were not.
    Just going to hide now.
  • fast_eddie_72
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    http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

    If you're really interested in the info, then read the article. If you want to debate the info, read the article first then debate the information you disagree with, BUT be sure to have a reference to support your stance.
    From what I've read and discovered from my time in the fitness industry, I find this article to be quite accurate when it comes to "clean eating" and it being a myth, especially when lots of information on eating is taken out of context.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    I didn't even read the rest of this thread. "Make sure to have a reference to support your stance." Since you didn't write this, and it's a blog of personal opinion, YOU don't have a source. :noway: Hilarious. Go back to your first college class on writing research papers and revisit how to evaluate credible sources.

    You should've read instead of making ridiculous statements.

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    http://evidencemag.com/clean-eating/

    If you're really interested in the info, then read the article. If you want to debate the info, read the article first then debate the information you disagree with, BUT be sure to have a reference to support your stance.
    From what I've read and discovered from my time in the fitness industry, I find this article to be quite accurate when it comes to "clean eating" and it being a myth, especially when lots of information on eating is taken out of context.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    I didn't even read the rest of this thread. "Make sure to have a reference to support your stance." Since you didn't write this, and it's a blog of personal opinion, YOU don't have a source. :noway: Hilarious. Go back to your first college class on writing research papers and revisit how to evaluate credible sources.

    You should've read instead of making ridiculous statements.

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    This was helpful.

    And way easier to read than simply pointing out that they were there...
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    What's super helpful is quoting the huge list multiple times. Well done.
  • anasantos61
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    I agree with the comment about people taking it too far. I've had so many people say if you want to fix this eat this way, or you HAVE to be gluten free to lose this etc. If one more person tells me to go gluten free because its popular right now I'm going to eat an entire loaf of white bread infront of them to shut them up. If a particular "Diet" works for one person it doesn't mean it will work for another. And every 6 months or so its try this, or try that, Its like eating has turned into fads and its so exhausting. No one ever talks about blanace anymore. You have to balance everything you consume and see what works for you. Of course limiting processed is better for you, but seriously, people go overboard and throw it in your face so much I don't even listen anymore.

    This
  • IronPlayground
    IronPlayground Posts: 1,594 Member
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    And way easier to read than simply pointing out that they were there...

    I posted the list for dramatic effect!!! :tongue:
  • anasantos61
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    Eating clean= wash your hamburgers. Hahaha. Eat, drink and be merry. Everybody really takes this **** toooo serious. Eat, train the way you like to train, look in the mirror. You like what you see ? good. You don't like what you see ? Train Harder !!!!! But the most important part is enjoy the journey, have some fun with it. Nothing bothers me more than uptight people at the gym in tight spandex shirts looking like a scarecrow giving other people advice. All of the true champions I have met in life have always been really easy going and happy. That's the whole point here boys and girls, happiness, achievement of goals = winning at life. I eat a diet I "think" is healthy what you think could and more than likely is the complete polar opposite. However, that does not mean either one of us is right or wrong.

    And this
  • geebusuk
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    That can apply to almost anything. I read these forums a lot and have heard varying definitions of Paleo, Primal, clean, whole, and even IIFYM and 'everything in moderation'.
    Agree on the the first four.

    I do tend to use the last, so of course I'll suggest otherwise for that.

    For ME, IIFYM isn't a complete diet plan to follow (although often for me it actually IS pretty much, but let's ignore that for the moment), but more for me an expression used to stop people worrying about eating some food they might enjoy...
    Question - "Can I have some chocolate cake or will the entire piece of cake get stuck in my heart causing me to die from sugar-fat-death?"
    Answer - "It's fine, IIFYM".