We don't know what constitutes a true paleo diet!
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in a similar vein, look into "nutritional stress", or how much effort your body has to put into digesting certain foods vs others, as this is a big part of the issue with gluten IMO
not saying you said this, but i'm playing joe bloe igmo right now...
so it's either too tough to digest or it's so easy it may as well be sugar...it can't be both...0 -
Look on Dr. Oz.com. One of the shows either on Thursday or Friday of last week explained the true paleo diet and what type of eater must follow the two types of diet. Also they showed the foods that constitute each diet.
Hope this helps.
Linda1163zz99
Oh lawzy... :noway:
Yep. It's gone from mildly amusing to tin foil hat.0 -
Lucky for me, I haven't been sick one time since switching to Paleo... so I have had no need for an antibiotic... but prior, I could have purchased stock and done very well in Z-pack commodities...
My doctor friended me on facebook b/c we went from seeing each other every other month to once a year. We talk about running now instead of mental health complaints, sniffles and sneezes and countless aches and pains.
Thank you REAL FOOD diet.
REAL FOOD = Paleo with a different name.
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What were you eating before you switched to a Paleo Diet?
The Standard American Diet... calories in vs calories out. Eating what I wanted as long as it fit within those all so important numbers...0 -
in a similar vein, look into "nutritional stress", or how much effort your body has to put into digesting certain foods vs others, as this is a big part of the issue with gluten IMO
not saying you said this, but i'm playing joe bloe igmo right now...
so it's either too tough to digest or it's so easy it may as well be sugar...it can't be both...
do you think there's a difference between whole grain minimally processed wheat products and refined, heavily processed, enriched white bread?0 -
This is exactly my understanding of Neandermagon's point. This is a great diet for people with sensitivities.
It has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do with what humans evolved to eat.
If the proponents of the diet framed it in a way that highlighted the benefits of the diet (nutritionally balanced way to live with food sensitivities) and didn't try to apply it to everybody else "Human evolved to eat certain things," the diet would be great and very credible.
But, the argument behind the food sensitivities is due to evolution -- that so many people are having these sensitivities now is because the diet has changed significantly -- whether in consumption of amount of grain products, content of such products (how many vegetables, fruits and grains have been engineered and aren't as nutritious as their ancestral or non-modified version), differences in omega 3-6 balance seen in grain-fed beef, etc. Now, if you don't think that's true, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
absolutely. the FOOD of today is vastly different from the food of 50 years ago and our bodies haven't had a chance to catch up, thus higher levels of food sensitivities across the board.
it's pretty simple stuff really.
That is your assumption. Is there any actual evidence that "our bodies haven't had a chance to catch up", and to what, exactly?
I mean, I could move from the USA to India and after a week or so, my body would be caught up to their food stuff.
well first of all it would probably take longer than a week to get used to their water supply.
but genetic modification has created a wheat grain that is hardier than the grain of 50 years ago so that it can withstand pests/pesticides/weather conditions better. yes it's great that it can create more abundant crops, but this hardiness makes it also more difficult to digest. as we saw with milk, it takes generations and generations of adaptation for lactase persistence to exist, and the same will be true with wheat. It will take generations for our bodies to be able to process it correctly and THAT'S why there's been a 400% increase in celiac disease over the last 50 years.
And at the rate Monsanto is going with genetic modification of food crops, we'll never catch up.
There is currently no GM wheat on the market.
But is ANYONE going to tell me all the awful things that have happened to wheat by normal breeding methods in the past 50 years that makes it so toxic now?
No GMO Wheat crop?? That's not what Oregon says: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021737989_gmowheatxml.html0 -
Apparently, it's your responsibility to prove their assertions.it's not any of our responsibility to provide proof for anything. this is a message board. it's an exchange of ideas. if anyone sees an idea they find intriguing they can research it all they want and decide what to think for themselves. This whole "prove it" mentality where anyone who makes a claim has to spend an hour pouring through websites to find the articles and studies they didn't think to bookmark when reading, JUST so that people won't flame them for posting an opinion is... just silly. lol
Except when people try to pass opinion off as fact.
Then it becomes just fear mongering.
But you already know that.
you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.
You keep trying to be funny. I do not think you know how.0 -
regardless of what you think of Dr. Oz, I researched the info and it is correct. I don't follow what I see or hear on his or any other talk show. But this is backed by medical research. Check it out.0
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Lucky for me, I haven't been sick one time since switching to Paleo... so I have had no need for an antibiotic... but prior, I could have purchased stock and done very well in Z-pack commodities...
My doctor friended me on facebook b/c we went from seeing each other every other month to once a year. We talk about running now instead of mental health complaints, sniffles and sneezes and countless aches and pains.
Thank you REAL FOOD diet.
REAL FOOD = Paleo with a different name. :flowerforyou:
What were you eating before you switched to a Paleo Diet?
The Standard American Diet... calories in vs calories out. Eating what I wanted as long as it fit within those all so important numbers...
Do you think your results would have been drastically different if you'd switched to a diet rich in natural foods without the restrictions? A diet that was rich in vegetables, fruits, lean meats, whole minimally processed grains, legumes and vegetable fats. If so, why?0 -
in a similar vein, look into "nutritional stress", or how much effort your body has to put into digesting certain foods vs others, as this is a big part of the issue with gluten IMO
not saying you said this, but i'm playing joe bloe igmo right now...
so it's either too tough to digest or it's so easy it may as well be sugar...it can't be both...
do you think there's a difference between whole grain minimally processed wheat products and refined, heavily processed, enriched white bread?
of course I do, but I'm Joe Bloe Igmo right now...
so this makes white breads a "just calories" food (actually better since they intentionally add a lot of nutrients back that have some research saying they are thus more bioavailable than the whole grain)?0 -
Why is it such a big deal that we try to eat like people did thousands of years ago, whose life expectancy was at best 30-40 years?
That may be the average due to high infant mortality, accident, etc. But there is actually considerable evidence that some of our ancestors lived considerably longer -- well into their 70s --- just not on average for other reasons.
But I don't remember where I read that, so I can't cite the book/study.
BAM!
http://www.unm.edu/~hkaplan/KaplanHillLancasterHurtado_2000_LHEvolution.pdf0 -
looks like this thread is gonna rolllllll!0
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Except when people try to pass opinion off as fact.
Then it becomes just fear mongering.
But you already know that.
you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.
You keep trying to be funny. I do not think you know how.
People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole and wholly been on your side of the fence.0 -
Except when people try to pass opinion off as fact.
Then it becomes just fear mongering.
But you already know that.
you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.
You keep trying to be funny. I do not think you know how.
People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.0 -
of course I do, but I'm Joe Bloe Igmo right now...
so this makes white breads a "just calories" food (actually better since they intentionally add a lot of nutrients back that have some research saying they are thus more bioavailable than the whole grain)?
yes actually. white bread IS more bioavailable than whole grain.0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
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how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.0 -
In because why not at this point?0
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In for the roll!!!
And to respond to this:in a similar vein, look into "nutritional stress", or how much effort your body has to put into digesting certain foods vs others, as this is a big part of the issue with gluten IMO
Nutritional stress is the stress that chronic nutrient shortage has on people. i.e. starvation and subsistence living.
Do you mean the thermic effect of food (TEF)?0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.0 -
in…for the roll, and because I find this entertaining...0
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how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?
He does often cite underlying studies, and then you can read them for yourself.0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?
Lindsey has posted some sources, Reddy has done no such thing.0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?
Lindsey has posted some sources, Reddy has done no such thing.
Do you guys have any desire to actually read any of the underlying sources or discuss the issues they present? Because so far, I haven't seen any of that, so I can understand Reddy's decision to not bother with such disingenuous requests.0 -
Except when people try to pass opinion off as fact.
Then it becomes just fear mongering.
But you already know that.
you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.
You keep trying to be funny. I do not think you know how.
People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.
Nope. I accuse people who spit out theories that foods are harmful but can't back those up with science of fear mongering.
No hyperbole whatsoever.
You definitly don't want my opinion of biologists who boast their credentials then quote blog posts as scientific evidence. You wouldn't like it.0 -
People disagree with you = fear mongering? That's all I've seen, and the hyperbole has wholly been on your side of the fence.
Nope. I accuse people who spit out theories that foods are harmful but can't back those up with science of fear mongering.
No hyperbole whatsoever.
You definitly don't want my opinion of biologists who boast their credentials then quote blog posts as scientific evidence. You wouldn't like it.
Even if those blogs and books do a decent job of gathering and citing the underlying, supporting scientific studies? No, that wouldn't make sense at all. How terribly logical and convenient.
So far, you've given me very little reason to value your opinion, so I don't really care what it is either way. And, my degrees will still be there despite your opinion of it.0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?
Lindsey has posted some sources, Reddy has done no such thing.
Do you guys have any desire to actually read any of the underlying sources or discuss the issues they present? Because so far, I haven't seen any of that, so I can understand Reddy's decision to not bother with such disingenuous requests.
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?0 -
What amuses me is the "health benefits" of a paleo diet.
http://www.paleodietevolved.com/benefits-of-the-paleo-diet.html#.Uw0oP87-nt8
This has to be my favourite...The paleo diet recognizes that the human body digests fructose differently than other carbs. It's this reason that the paleo diet suggests limiting and strategically choosing the perfect fruit for the job!
Skip the banana and eat a kiwi instead!
Unless you know what you're doing, limit yourself to 2-3 pieces of fruit per day... Max.0 -
how is this topic still going? reddy and lindsey have not gained any ground and more people have joined in against it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
have they? I don't consider your contributions "joining" anything tbh.
just the way I like since I am not trying to put out opinions as facts. Still waiting for some back up on your genetically modified meets aka the pink cow I mentioned before. And any back up about evolution that you were stating like 200 posts back.
you did not find the marks daily apple website that Lindsey cited to be a credible source?
Lindsey has posted some sources, Reddy has done no such thing.
Do you guys have any desire to actually read any of the underlying sources or discuss the issues they present? Because so far, I haven't seen any of that, so I can understand Reddy's decision to not bother with such disingenuous requests.
if you post the study, I will read it…I have nothing better to do as I am stuck home with strep throat…
Oh ok, so it is totally legit to say that Paleo is backed by nutritional science ,but then when someone requests the study, that persons request must be "disingenuous"….hmmmm interesting …
I could tell you I can change copper to gold, but you would probably want some proof of that, yes?
If actual credible source is posted that I can read and not have to go buy a text book then I will read it.0
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