Large amounts of meat, cheese deadly as smoking

Not surprising. It has been known for a long time that high levels of protein is harmful to human kidneys, IN GENERAL. This is not intended to say that every person who eats a lot of protein is going to end up in kidney failure, just that they are increasing the risk.

Where does this tendency to make fun of everything you don't agree with come from? (This is the general you, not a specific you.)

Not surprising. It has been known for a long time that high levels of protein is harmful to human kidneys, IN GENERAL. This is not intended to say that every person who eats a lot of protein is going to end up in kidney failure, just that they are increasing the risk.

Where does this tendency to make fun of everything you don't agree with come from? (This is the general you, not a specific you.)

That is very outdated information.

http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/7/7/1103.abstract

Conclusions In healthy obese individuals, a low-carbohydrate high-protein weight-loss diet over 2 years was not associated with noticeably harmful effects on GFR, albuminuria, or fluid and electrolyte balance compared with a low-fat diet. Further follow-up is needed to determine even longer-term effects on kidney function.

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

In "The China Study", T. Colin Campbell cites his work, and how he came to his conclusions over his 40+ years of working in nutritional science, and references almost 750 different professional sources. The food industry can try to discredit his work all they want, but the truth is blatantly evident to anyone with even the mildest familiarity of epidemiology .

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Back in those days people were dropping dead left and right from heart attacks and the government needed a scapegoat. The reality is that smoking was probably the culprit, but big tobacco was still giving too much money to politicians back then. Then came along came the vegan Campbell with his highly cherry picked epidemiology study. The government jumped on it and made sat fat the scapegoat. Funny how the China study also showed that eating wheat was associated with higher mortality, but that somehow never made it into Campbell's conclusions . . . so strange!

Well, most modern foods are totally unhealthy, from the raising down to the processing. Eat local, know your farmer and his farming practices. I am very thankful that my family and I are able to raise most of our own food with a focus on natural husbandry. In other words, no factory farmed animals or conventionally raised produce.

There is great wisdom here:

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”
― Hippocrates

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You have to take in consideration other factors; daily lifestyle and genetics being two other big factors. A common theme with many long living cultures is they are very active (jobs and walking everywhere to their destinations. Then further complicate it with genetics and you are talking a different ball game. How many diseases/cancers are augmented by ones genetics/family history? It is obtuse of any one person or industry to think following one specific diet will automatically make you live longer without considering the other factors. While you can't change genetics, you can create a more active lifestyle. Heck, the number one reason for death in the US is heart disease.... and whats the common themes, over weight and extreme sedentary. So the bigger questions should be... are life spams shorten from consuming meat or being obese and non active?

You do not nead to read China Study or any other studies to find out the truth. Maybe, we should stay quiet, without arguing how much protein should we eat and just look around and notice what makes the majority sick and overweight? What about common sence, it is far more experienced that modern sciense.
We are all going to die anyway, no matter how many apples with broccoli or cheese we consume. It just makes a difference if you are living your full of value life or taking 10 pills to ease non-stopping pain.

I stopped reading at Fox News. ommmmmmmmmggg really.?

I think they may have been the last news organization to pick this story up. I saw it on Huffington Post and CNN as well as MSNBC.

It's still bunk though. There's another study with even more peer review than this one that indicates that having a protein-rich diet significantly reduces the risk of stroke.

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Haha You didn't read the book. He does not advocate eating oils or margarine; nothing could be farther from the truth. Campbell advocates eating whole, natural, unprocessed plant foods.

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You have to take in consideration other factors; daily lifestyle and genetics being two other big factors. A common theme with many long living cultures is they are very active (jobs and walking everywhere to their destinations. Then further complicate it with genetics and you are talking a different ball game. How many diseases/cancers are augmented by ones genetics/family history? It is obtuse of any one person or industry to think following one specific diet will automatically make you live longer without considering the other factors. While you can't change genetics, you can create a more active lifestyle. Heck, the number one reason for death in the US is heart disease.... and whats the common themes, over weight and extreme sedentary. So the bigger questions should be... are life spams shorten from consuming meat or being obese and non active?

I'll agree that non-activity is an issue, however there are very many active people in this country who have a weight problem. I think the problem is MOSTLY on the input side of the equation.

A quick note about genetics: people who migrate to America from other cultures often times get fat and sick, just like Americans. Their genetics doesn't change, but the food changes.

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Haha You didn't read the book. He does not advocate eating oils or margarine; nothing could be farther from the truth. Campbell advocates eating whole, natural, unprocessed plant foods.

Those are plant based foods......Are you saying that not all plant foods are healthy and could have a link to disease?

Haha, good point.

The China Study's main conclusions, or at least the ones that the government began to parrot were not in regard to eating whole unprocessed food. The take home points that got the most publicity and that Campbell is still happy to endorse to this day is that we should avoid whole fat dairy and meat because of saturated fat. Of course there is now tons of both prospective and observational data that completely refutes that conclusion, but Campbell still argues his vegan propaganda anyway. You can look at the data in the China study and draw any conclusion you want (e.g., wheat is bad for you).

But the government and campbell used the China study to make saturated fat a scapegoat, when in reality smoking was the main cause of all the heart attacks back then. As a result a lot of people began eating in ways that made them less healthy. That is, high processed carbs, low protein, and low fat.