Why am I not losing? I want your opion!
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Isn't fruit basically sugar'd vegetable?I just know that if I chose to eat the sugar coated things, if I chose to eat the ice cream. I'm not going to lose weight
Lots of people "know" things that are in fact totally wrong. You're not alone in that regard.It's fine to ignore that what I said is right, until you find out for yourself. It figures the one line about caramelized onions would be the one everyone picks apart. lol. Love the forums.
eta.. ah and you are right.. caramelized onions have no sugar on them. So I would count them as a serving of vegetable. I was thinking more along the lines of vegetable that are actually covered in sugar or salt and cooked. Ah i mis spoke. My bad. I'm sure people will rail on that one statement forever. It's ok.
1) The idea that adding sugar to a vegetable means it doesn't "count" as a vegetable is one of the more inane, illogical, irrational things I've ever read on MFP. And I've read some doozies. That concept is so profoundly wrong that it's mind-blowing.
2) I've been eating ice cream and fast food and sugared vegetables for years, and I've been doing OK. Weight loss is about calorie balance, not whether you put sugar on your vegetables and somehow negate them.
Your view of sugar and mine are vastly different. I no longer argue the sugar point in the forums. I simply state what works *for me* and you can do what you want with it. I don't count *any* sugar coated foods as healthy and I avoid as much added sugar as I can. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and it is healthier to eat that way.
Either way. If you are hungry all the time following a particular diet, then it is not the right diet for you. More vegetables and fruit, more lean meats and less salt and sugar is the way. No diet to follow. Just healthy, preferably whole foods that you cook up yourself paired with portion control. That's the winning combo.
Deep thoughts.
:laugh: That is all.
Fruit is magical
The sugar is locked up within fiber molecules, neutralizing its ability to neutralize the vegetabley parts.
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Quasita,
There's quite a difference between hearing advice and following it.
I do want to hear (and consider) what everyone has to say.
That doesn't mean that I am going to do everything that everyone says.
I appreciate everyone's contributions, I'm sure they are coming from a place on what has worked for them, or possibly just being silly (cooked veggies aren't veggies, etc...).
That is fine and exactly what I was looking for when I made the post.
The advise is all over the board here, and lots of it is quite debatable. It would be unrealistic to run off and do everything that was suggested at once.0 -
I do want to:
Lose slowly, and lift because I know this is why my skin isn't all saggy already.
Exercise out doors in a practical fitness style.
Have a diet comprised primarily of veggies, fruit, meat, eggs, nuts, tea, coffee and dairy.
Have my vices like booze and chocolate once a week bare minimum.
Have a diet and lifestyle surrounding it that is realistic and practical that I can carry on for the long term and use forever, on that I'm satisfied and happy with, and one I feel good about, that makes me feel good.
Cook large meals that I can eat throughout the week for maximum satisfaction for my goals.
Since chocolate and alcohol are deal-breakers, I would say find a way to include them on a regular basis, while recognizing that you probably won't get to have them in the amounts you want. (Most of us cannot.
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Can you get creative with cooking desserts and making drinks? (I'm not saying cauliflower ice cream, but there are actually some recipes out there that are less binge provoking and still tasty. ChocolateCoveredKatie's garbanzo bean/white bean chocolate chip blondies is one of my favorite desserts. Most of her recipes can be made gluten free.)
And either drink one beer a day, or make a larger amount a once a week (planned and accounted for) treat. Or twice a week.
To me it really comes down to portion control, which comes down to logging. You'll be fine if you stick to a moderate deficit. (I like to calculate my range: how much to eat to lose 1 lb a week and to maintain. Anything eaten in that range will keep me working toward my goals.)0 -
The author George Blair-West in his book Weight Loss for Food Lovers (a doctor and a psychotherapist), makes some interesting points in his book. Science evidence shows 80% of people who diet after 2 years have given up and are heavier than when they start, and we know diets are one of the primary causes of eating disorders. Some of the things that from looking at how those 20% actually loose weight and keep it off for more than 2 or more years make sense. (There is published info on that group of over 20,000 subjects.) They generally eat big protein based breakfasts. They eat a LCHF diet (i.e. low carb high fat diet), they weigh themselves regularly, they eat "whole food, mostly plants, not too much". It does appear that "mini-binges" are the cause of failure. You have to have consistent calorie deficient over a week / a month. Blair-West says that if you have "high sacrifice" foods - such as chocolate, you have to make room in your eating to have those treats. If you don't your subconscious desire to have them will defeat your self-will. When you do succum, you then have what he describes as a "what the hell moment". That's the time when you choose to have 1 piece of chocolate, but devour the whole block. Self control is really good for short term stuff, like sitting exams, or doing something for a day / a week, but not a lifetime or a "lifestyle change". The consistent things in the 660 known diets include lower carb diets (e.g. down from 50% to 25% of the diet), reduction or elimination of added sugar (so that means most bread and manufactured food products get eliminated from the diet as a consequence) and higher protein. (High protein suppresses appetite),
The particular tactics of how you maintain that calorie deficient are varied, and while you can loose weight on a twinkie diet, you are most unlikely to be doing it in 2 years!0 -
I still haven't calculated my TDEE. I'll try this afternoon.0
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Double true. That's almost an entire pound.I definitely do not fall in the camp of people that believe a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. Not all calories are created equal.
Personally, I tend to feel excessively hungry after a carb binge, even if it's a natural and wholesome source of carbohydrates (fruit). I absolutely avoid empty carbs at all costs--I never cheat with wheat and most grains are out of my diet altogether. I feel like this is one of the main reasons that I've continued to see the success that I have.
I notice that your carb counts are actually pretty modest in your food diary, usually ending the day at right around 100 grams. Would you be open to cutting that goal down to 50 or 60 grams per day? That could be what you need to get you over the slump.
If you're having difficulty feeling satiated, increase your healthy, whole fat intake. Don't be afraid of dietary fat--eating fat absolutely does not make you fat. That's just science. If you do decide to drop your carb intake, don't make the mistake of increasing protein a ton to make up for the calories; your body may have the capability of turning excess protein into glucose (the science is still out on this point, but I prefer to err on the side of caution).
3000 calories over is still a complete destruction of deficit. It doesn't matter if she consumed it in crunchy health stuff or pop tarts. It still kills the deficit.0 -
For some people it is, but it has nothing to do with weight loss.Breakfast is overrated.
How do I know this? Because I LOVE breakfast, it's my biggest meal of the day, and I've lost 42 pounds.0 -
Can't we all just get along?
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Well, this is a discussion forum and not everybody will agree.Can't we all just get along?
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so wanted to do a gif comment..just dont know how...meeeow!!0
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And... I'm still trying to calculate my TDEE.0
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Ok... here is my attempt at the TDEE calculation.
I always consider myself good at math, but this gave me a headache, especially not having an adding machine where I could check for errors.
I calculated all dates from 1/31/2014 through 3/27/2014. The reason I chose these dates was that I weighed 187 on 1/31/2014 and 187.2 on 3/27/2014. For all intents and purposes, I'm going to use the weight 187 for both calculations. That should be 56 days.
Well, I couldn't get a singular answer on the calorie counts to come out, but I did get 103,845, 103,842 and 103,872. I went ahead and took the average of all those 103,853 as the magic number I would use for my TDEE calculation.
So.. 103,853 divided by 56 = 1854.517.
So my TDEE is 1854 and if I have that many calories on average every day I will not gain or lose.
To lose 1lb per week, I'd eat 1854 * 7 - 3500 divided by 7 per day, right? 1354 cal per day. Whew, that's low.
To lose 1/2 lb per week, I'd eat 1854 * 7 - 1750 divided by 7 per day? 1604. That's a little more like it.
That's a lot of freakin' math when I could have just gone with the 1600 like the guy on the first page of my thread said.
Did I even do that right?0 -
wow! thats awesome doing it manually. great job!0
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187.2 again. At this point it's almost comical.0
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187.2 again. At this point it's almost comical.
Just based on the last week, your diary looks like you are pretty perfectly keeping a maintenance between getting some low calorie days in and then days where you go over TDEE. Keep doing what you are doing if it suits you, just aim to keep the bigger days a bit smaller.0 -
Just FYI I gained 2-4 pounds every month on my period. I never weigh while on it. I always become ravished and on those days I eat more veggies and throw in a2-3 piece of dove dark chocolate at 40 calories a pop. 2 days ago I weighed 205.2 today two days into my period 207.2. I am doing everything right. It's gonna happen. You will drop back down and if like me you do everything right you will loose a pound or two right off. Don't get discouraged. You r on point. It's just water weight.0
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Thanks for all your advice everyone!
I changed my goal to 1,600. That should help me lose 1/2 lb per week, maybe more if I work out more.
Thanks!
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On my first day at 1600 I lost a pound. That is good.0
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I found it was a lot easier to stick to a calorie goal when I raised it a little bit. When I lost a few pounds over the summer, I was eating 1800 calories a day, and that was doable with a TDEE of about 2300, so I would recommend that you maybe try to shoot for 1600. When you get able to stick to that, you can consider cutting back a little bit on the days when you are less hungry, so that you can bank those calories for another day when you're extra hungry. But you can only eat extra up to the amount you've banked, of course.Yep, exactly.
I need a realistic goal. It's set at 1200 right now.
That does average to over 1,900 per day.
Tonight when I get settled I'm going to try to calculate my TDEE, then set my goal according to that.
I get caught up in this mindset "Well, my goal is 1,200, my basal rate is XXXX, so if I stay under it, my TDEE is XXXX, so I can go over my weight loss goal as long as it won't be making me gain..." And so on and so on and so on.
I think I need a really clear calorie goal, then try to force myself not to go over it.
Like we mentioned before, my calorie count is all over the freakin' place. No consistency at all.
Wait so you called me out on telling her to stick to a 1500 calorie diet but then you tell her to stick to a 1600 calorie diet...0 -
Second day at 1600 and I gained my pound back.
187.2 it's the plateau that doesn't end!
ETA: My scale was doing the April's Fool thing making me think I broke the plateau.0 -
If you are doing TDEE don't log exercise calories....log exercise but change the calories to 1...
and give it some time.
I eat on average 1700 a day, diary is set to 1600...but eh...and I lose about 3/4lb a week...
ETA: I have to say tho I am surprised by your TDEE esp considering how active you are...I expected it to be higher.0 -
You can't eat out bad drink the way you are and expect to lose weight. Keep your cals lower and cut back on restaurants fast food and alcohol0
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I can fluctuate 5 lbs in a single day, depending on a ton of factors. Do not weigh yourself every day if it's going to stress you out so much. I only worry if there is more than a 2 lb fluctuation, because weight is not a static thing by any means. You need to try your calorie level for a few weeks before you know if it's working or not - not a couple of days.0
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Dang it! I just realized I forgot to log an apple, so I actually had 1727 calories not the 1627 (which is ALREADY 27 over) I thought I had. No wonder I gained a freaking pound over night. If I had known that I wouldn't have had the stupid protein shake. Those things ALWAYS make me gain weight. But they are so good for recovery and I was hurtin' after the workout last night. DANG IT. FML. SMH.0
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Thanks you guys for all the support. I do plan on trying this at least through Sunday, however, I have to weigh myself daily because I am more capable than most of gaining drastic amounts of weight in a short period of time, so it has to be monitored for sanity. I'd much rather be upset that I gained a pound than find myself 15lb up in a week.
I am going to try to stick with this 1,600 through Sunday at least. I can't believe I forgot to log that stupid apple. It threw my whole damn day off!
I keep MFP up on my phone and work computer, how can I just sit there and scarf down an apple and not log it!
GRRRRRRR!!!
I was probably BSing in the forums while I ate it!0 -
who am i to give you advice?... nobody coz i put on weight instead of loosing it :O
but if you have up and downs in the no of calories you are stressing your body; it is learning that it is normal to have 3000 cal and when you cut back to 1600 it goes to starving mode (which is no good). Better to be consistent with no of calories, and above all realistic. If you can't follow a deficit then do what it is normal for you. It'd would be more beneficial than going up & down. (you can check a simple table here: http://www.webmd.com/diet/calories-chart ) 0 -
An apple did not cause you to gain a pound.
ETA: There are no carbs in your carnitas? I thought carnitas had peppers and onions and tomatoes in them? That should count towards carbs.0 -
I forgot to ask you a question? when do you go to sleep? what time?
Coz i see that the majority of your intake in afternoon/evening but if you don't work in a night shift... meaning if you sleep at night then that would be part of a problem?
You should try to have a hearty breakfast and an ok lunch (big if you want) and then light afternoon tea & dinner (that how we have always done in my country and we weren't having these problems
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There are lots of studies that shows that the breakfast is the most important meal (if you have a day time shift) as when you wake up your body has been fasting for the longest (in comparison with the rest of the day).
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These carnitas don't contain those ingredients, but I do add them sometimes and when I do, I alter the recipe using the tool on MFP.0
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That makes more sense.. I am looking for an easy crock pot recipe for Thursday, that kids will also eat. I think i'm gonna make a version of these. I'd just need to get wraps for the kids. I have the rest of the stuff. I'd probably stuff mine in a pepper or use a lettuce wrap..hmm.. probably a lettuce wrap since dinner will be so late that day.
I hope you find your formula to lose the weight you want.0
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