Vegetarians found more unhealthy. Interesting article.

I understand that there is a disagreement here, but this is just being a bully.

How so? When vegans preach about everyone dying of cancer and crap becuase they eat meat and dairy isn't?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There are advocates on this site for every diet, some more extreme then others. But using your own picture to body shame someone is just wrong, under any circumstance.

How so? When vegans preach about everyone dying of cancer and crap becuase they eat meat and dairy isn't?

You have obviously had success in bodybuilding, and i commend you. If you are posting this picture saying that i need to lift more, than the point is taken, and i agree. I wonder how far you can ride a bike in a day?

When i talk about the link between cancer and poor diet, that has nothing to do with body composition or endurance, though. That has everything to do with nutrition.

Just one study, ya'll. Let's not get crazy.

Also, they don't factor in genetics to this.

But I will say that I found it most interesting about Mental Health. My sister was diagnosed bipolar & she was told to basically eat clean.

While some people with mild forms of a specific diagnosis can improve symptoms with dietary changes and other lifestyle changes (increased exercise), many times those changes will not help someone with a more severe diagnosis. (think situational depression versus schizophrenia) I just wanted to point that out because many times people will be given the false hope of making dietary changes and expecting symptoms to disappear, when medication is sometimes truly needed for a person to see a decrease in symptoms.

Interesting how one article
Can fuel a fire

Anecdotal.....but when I became vegetarian I had to try A LOT of things to prevent boredom. I had to try new vegetables, new beans, crazy sounding recipes, different ethnic restaurants so I could actually eat out and not just have a salad. I'd say I eat a far more varied and balanced diet now than when I ate meat. And I was fairly healthy, lots of lean meats, whole grains, and vegetable stir fries and such. Even before I joined MFP to focus on weight loss, I was hitting the 46g protein recommendation for maintenance of a female with the beans and veggie intake. I did know a girl in high school that was vegetarian who just ate pasta and Taco Bell every day. You're going to find a lot of variation between individuals, whatever the diet restrictions they adopt.

I wish vegetarians could talk to omnivores without either side getting SUPER defensive :-(

How so? When vegans preach about everyone dying of cancer and crap becuase they eat meat and dairy isn't?

You have obviously had success in bodybuilding, and i commend you. If you are posting this picture saying that i need to lift more, than the point is taken, and i agree. I wonder how far you can ride a bike in a day?

When i talk about the link between cancer and poor diet, that has nothing to do with body composition or endurance, though. That has everything to do with nutrition.

I apologize..........i didn't put it up to body shame.........just to illustrate that the way I eat is not detrimental or unhealthy. You have made incredible progess and should be proud, not everyone can make that kind of progress.

Thank you. I see your point. You certainly look healthy. Many on this site have tried to use the fact that i am not built as an excuse that my diet is lacking something. The reason i am not built is because i did not put in the work. You didn't develop pecs like that without a push up or two in your past somewhere. My quads look pretty neat, though. People can stack on muscle with no animal products in the diet, if they put in the work at the gym, and pay attention to get the plants with the most protein.



Also check out Robert Cheeke.

Sorry if i seem judgemental. I was a meat eater a lot longer than i was a vegan, and i don't mean to come off judgey.

I want to lighten the mood and point out that you are sitting next to Colonel Sanders?! Maybe it has just been a long day at work...but that makes me laugh!

That's at the original Kentucky Fried Chicken in Corbin, KY.

I got all my health problems as a meat/dairy etc eater.
Lost about 30kg on a vegetarian, then vegan diet.
Have had no problems with my health since, have a lot better skin, my hair is shiny..
And im just an a lot happier person.

I'm in :drinker:

Science FTW
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I'll bet Nigella uses a lot of sunblock that keeps her skin looking younger and healthier.

I do find it weird that the article referred to vegetarianism as a "fad"...I don't think it classifies as a fad. I know people who have been vegetarian for 20, 30 years.

My 3rd GG was vegetarian in the early 1900's so I wouldn't consider that style of eating a fad.

Well, it's certainly not difficult to have more trouble getting the appropriate nutrients when you cut stuff out of your diet, so I'm not very surprised. Vegetarians have to work harder at balanced meals, and there are tons of vegetarians who seem to subsist on fries and white bread (especially young ones and those who are vegetarian for ethical reasons rather than health ones.) There's also a pretty substantial number of people with eating disorders who become "vegetarian" so it's easier to restrict food in public.

Ideally, everyone should be paying attention to their macro and micro nutrient intake and getting everything their bodies need, but vegetarians and other people who restrict their diets (paleo etc) need to be extra careful, obviously.

No need to throw paleo in with that. When you are eating an abundance of protein, fats, vegetables, fruit, nuts and seeds it is not hard at all to meet both your micronutrient and macronutrient needs.

One main reason my Doctor recommends the Paleo Lifestyle to his patients to get them off medications and just eating real food.

I should have known I'd get the paleo police on my case here...they're like Betelgeuse except you only have to say the word once for them to appear.

Yes, whole foods are good. Restricting your diet from a huge number of foods can be bad if you're not careful.

To be fair, you'd have to be pretty darn negligent on a Paleo diet to end up deficient in just about anything, assuming 100% (or very nearly) compliance. That's not to say that such things don't happen ever, but it's actually quite difficult if you put even a modicum of effort into variety. Cutting out grains, beans, and dairy doesn't really remove any nutrients that aren't found in equal if not better quality, more biologically available, and higher quantity in meats, fruits, and vegetables.

In contrast, veg*ns have to supplement or otherwise go out of their way to obtain B-12, and have to make sure they get the right variety of foods to make sure they're getting all of the amino acids required to make complete protein. It's possible, of course, but quite a bit harder than just eating a steak.

There are many more university and hospital studies that say the opposite. Plus, you have to find out who funds that magazine and who funds the person or organization that wrote the article. There's a lot of money spent every DAY by the cattle and dairy industries to discredit people who promote not eating their products. It usually comes down to economics. And big corporate concerns don't want you messing with their profit whether it's animal products or other consumer goods.

The study was not from that magazine the study was out of Austria which I don't think has a big corporate meat industry.

Scientific journals can have backers that want to promote certain studies over others, and meat can be imported, so it makes sense to look at where the funding came from.