Everything in moderation
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If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity0 -
Do you have a problem eating sugar?It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
What are your fitness goals?
What are your body composition goals?
Are you distinguishing between different types of sugar?0 -
To hazelclark, I have seen and read articles that suggest our predeliction for sugar, simple carbs and fat is because we are hungry for protein which, apart from protein-rich animal products is often found in conjunction with carbs (e.g. grain products and carbs) and/or sugar and fat (vegies, fruit and nuts) in smaller concentrations.
The theory is that the body wants to eat enough of these to get the protein it needs, which is why we have the drive to continue to eat the carb and fat-rich food in such quantities.
Eat more lean/ good protein people with moderate carbs and fat - works for me - 24kg lost!
My experience, though, is when I am hungry and over my calories it's because I'm out of balance with either my carbs or my fat. I generally get more than enough protein for my needs as a part of my unconscious diet choices.0 -
I have come to realize that most people in this thread are not even addressing the issue at all in any way shape or form.
What the OP is trying to say is that it's OK to have any food you want in your house. Just eat it moderately. To which some of us do not have that self-control required to do that. to which the OP then calls people alcoholics and eating disordered. Funny that that issue isn't being addressed. Dan is a black and white person with no grey at all. I realize that he is perfect. And, some of you are also perfect. Some day I hope I can be like you and eliminate my alcoholic eating disordered ways. But, for now, I'll just continue grocery shopping for food I enjoy eating, I'll leave out the Reeses and peanut butter ice cream, and just do that, BECAUSE IT FREAKING WORKS.
I was just talking to someone that was laughing that I count calories and said they can't be bothered. Of course, they are fat. So, yeah.
I can't be perfect, so I'll just eliminate things that create my disorder. Enjoy your perfect existences. It must be awesome to be you.
You, like other posters, have family members / kids.
Do your children or family members get to possess your "trigger" foods, or do they all have to live without because of your lack of self-control?
If they have to do without: Is that fair? I mean, what if they can enjoy snacks in moderation, but you aren't allowing them to? Are you making them do without for your own benefit?
If they ARE allowed snacks, but you choose not to eat them, aren't you actually using self-control when it comes to what's theirs and what's yours? How come what's "yours" can't be just one package, cup, whatever?0 -
If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity
However much you enjoy eating as long as you are meeting the rest of your macro and micro nutrient needs within your calorie goals.0 -
SMH
Now another person new to the forums is going to run to the market and stock up on cookies, icecream, soda and chips, all because they were told they could and SHOULD eat them in moderation.
2 months from now they are going to be just as frustrated as they were the day they started MFP.
Some people have to learn new behaviors and get their weight and body fat down to a point that they understand what will happen to them if they binge and know it is not worth it.
Until that day comes, they need to cut the foods out of their life they are incapable of moderating.
To shame people that can not moderate food is bullying them.......period.........some of us have things we are incapable of moderating, and we have to abstain from them. I have not died yet from not having a drink of alcohol in 6 years or a bag of Costco cashew pumpkin clusters.....cant moderate them....and I am not ashamed of that fact.
I think some people over indulge in vanity.0 -
Oh wow, I was being BULLIED.
Missed that.
For what it's worth, I do often eat entire tubs of icecream and so on - but make sure I've burnt the calories before they go in my mouth.0 -
Do you have a problem eating sugar?It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
What are your fitness goals?
What are your body composition goals?
Are you distinguishing between different types of sugar?
I am referring to moderation... what is considered moderation? What would he recommend as moderation for sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity Group0 -
If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity
However much you enjoy eating as long as you are meeting the rest of your macro and micro nutrient needs within your calorie goals.
So, as long as one eats the proper amount of protein, carbohydrates and fats,(macros) and also the micros, one could drink as much coca cola as they wish? as much sugar as they wish....?????
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity Group0 -
If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity
However much you enjoy eating as long as you are meeting the rest of your macro and micro nutrient needs within your calorie goals.
So, as long as one eats the proper amount of protein, carbohydrates and fats,(macros) and also the micros, one could drink as much coca cola as they wish? as much sugar as they wish....?????
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity Group
Very cult like views.
My post isn't about gluttony.
Its about moderation.
Drinking A coke is far different from drinking 2 liters of coke.0 -
Can't find any info on Joanne Moniz except her affiliation with Mark Sisson.0
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within their calorie goals. YES.If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity
However much you enjoy eating as long as you are meeting the rest of your macro and micro nutrient needs within your calorie goals.
So, as long as one eats the proper amount of protein, carbohydrates and fats,(macros) and also the micros, one could drink as much coca cola as they wish? as much sugar as they wish....?????
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity Group0 -
Can't find any info on Joanne Moniz except her affiliation with Mark Sisson.
oh, but didn't you know? She has a "skinny on obesity" group.0 -
Can't find any info on Joanne Moniz except her affiliation with Mark Sisson.
oh, but didn't you know? She has a "skinny on obesity" group.
What does skinny have to do with eating responsibly?
Trick question BTW!0 -
within their calorie goals. YES.If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity
However much you enjoy eating as long as you are meeting the rest of your macro and micro nutrient needs within your calorie goals.
So, as long as one eats the proper amount of protein, carbohydrates and fats,(macros) and also the micros, one could drink as much coca cola as they wish? as much sugar as they wish....?????
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity Group
Meow!
Miss you Crankster0 -
:yawn:
this is just like the "addiction" threads dressed up under another name.0 -
Can't find any info on Joanne Moniz except her affiliation with Mark Sisson.
oh, but didn't you know? She has a "skinny on obesity" group.
What does skinny have to do with eating responsibly?
Trick question BTW!
nothing. she just likes to spam for her group0 -
Im going for tiger tail ice cream tonight! 0
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Lots of excuse making going on in here.0
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If you know someone who says "I can't eat XYZ food because I cannot control myself when I eat it." They need to add this food to their week.
Why?
Because if you believe the 1 food you love so much is making you fat because you binge eat it, that's because you're trying to completely eliminate it. Eat the ****ing food and enjoy it in moderation! Fit it into your macros! The psychological anguish you have thinking about this food you love is far far worse than simply having a serving of it every few nights. Especially on lifting days.
This type of mentality should be used in just about everything you do!
Except of course the love you have for your family and friends! ;D
Seriously though.
All over this forum I see people demonizing food and activities.
Sugar causes diabetes so I cannot have any sugar at all.
Saturated fat causes heart disease so I cannot have saturated fat at all.
When I go bowling, I drink beer. I cannot bowl ever again.
Paleo is the only way to live.
Ketogenic diets are the only diets that work.
Strong Lifts 5x5 is the only way to lift weights.
Calisthenics rule and if you want to be lean, only do calisthenics.
All of that is total Bull****!
Do the things that make you happy in moderation!
If you restrict too much, you'll surely fail and binge on what you think is causing the issue.
If you don't try new things, you'll never know what really works and what doesn't.
Relax and live!
It would be helpful, I think, to members if you could define moderation... for example on a 1500 calorie diet how much sugar?
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity
However much you enjoy eating as long as you are meeting the rest of your macro and micro nutrient needs within your calorie goals.
So, as long as one eats the proper amount of protein, carbohydrates and fats,(macros) and also the micros, one could drink as much coca cola as they wish? as much sugar as they wish....?????
Joanne Moniz
The Skinny on Obesity Group
Yes. Because it is their body and they dictate what goes into it and how much. It is up to the individual to determine what portion sizes and frequency fit their definition of moderation for their personal diet and lifestyle. No one else gets a say in what moderation is for someone else.0 -
Yeah, ice cream and peanut butter are probably my biggest weaknesses. I've eaten entire half-gallon tubs of ice cream in one sitting, which is why I don't buy it anymore. I'll still have it once in a while, but it'll be at an ice cream shop or restaurant. I agree with those that say once you start, it's hard to stop. So I only eat ice cream on my cheat day if at all, but as far as the peanut butter...well, I'm still working on that...0
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I completely agree with you! I need this type of mentality in my life. Yes, there are foods that I have struggled with in the past and still struggle with, but it's getting easier because I'm no longer telling myself that those foods are forbidden unless I'm having a bad day. I can eat those food when I'm happy or sad in moderation and no longer feel nearly as anxious about them. I enjoy sweets. I really do. I would sincerely miss them and would never be able to stay on a healthy lifestyle track if I tried to cut them out completely. I do try to stick to one serving a day though. Everything in moderation is practically my mantra for life. I believe in it 100%. 0
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ETA: There's usually an interesting correlation between ticker marker and which side of this argument people are on. Will be interesting to see if this thread follows the same pattern.
I'm crunching numbers now.
Join dates too but that's in another chart.0 -
I have come to realize that most people in this thread are not even addressing the issue at all in any way shape or form.
What the OP is trying to say is that it's OK to have any food you want in your house. Just eat it moderately. To which some of us do not have that self-control required to do that. to which the OP then calls people alcoholics and eating disordered. Funny that that issue isn't being addressed. Dan is a black and white person with no grey at all. I realize that he is perfect. And, some of you are also perfect. Some day I hope I can be like you and eliminate my alcoholic eating disordered ways. But, for now, I'll just continue grocery shopping for food I enjoy eating, I'll leave out the Reeses and peanut butter ice cream, and just do that, BECAUSE IT FREAKING WORKS.
I was just talking to someone that was laughing that I count calories and said they can't be bothered. Of course, they are fat. So, yeah.
I can't be perfect, so I'll just eliminate things that create my disorder. Enjoy your perfect existences. It must be awesome to be you.
Once you have this whole food thing tackled...
...I suggest you work on your passive-aggressive posting disorder next.0 -
OP - For what it's worth, I agree with you. I live by the everything in moderation philosophy and it works really well for me too.
Apparently not for others, but to each his own.0 -
Definitely moderation however when it comes to trigger foods that people have it's best just to not have them around. I don't think everyone has them but I see certain ice creams being posted by many. My trigger food is a "healthy" food (cashews) but certainly doesn't mean that the amount I typically consume is a healthy amount. So I don't buy them often and if I do I get the smaller amount as I know I'll eat em all. It's just the way it is :laugh:
I suppose the issue would be if I had multiple "trigger" foods and then had to cut out quite a variety of foods in order to stick to my macro targets. That is when I would say there isn't a great relationship with food in general and the practice of moderation needs to be relearned with those foods.0 -
In.
Just in.
ETA: There's usually an interesting correlation between ticker marker and which side of this argument people are on. Will be interesting to see if this thread follows the same pattern.
I'm crunching numbers now.
Join dates too but that's in another chart.
lol. am interested to see where i fit in.0 -
Better enable my ticker, then :P.
I'm crunching numbers now.
Join dates too but that's in another chart.0 -
All of that sounds lovely and I wish I were able to do it...
There are certain things I just cannot have in my house, ice cream being one of them. I bought frozen yogurt this week and the gallon was gone in 4 days.
Some people are seemingly unable to control themselves when it comes to certain "trigger foods". In theory everything in moderation sounds fabulous, but in practice it's not always best for everyone.
You wouldn't tell an alcoholic to enjoy a couple beers in moderation, would you? I'd hope not...
THIS THIS THIS
i am completely against villifying certain foods and i don't like the term 'junk' food.i will not categorize foods as good or bad.
but i know if i want ice cream it has to be when i go out to an ice cream place with my friends.i cannotttttttt keep it in the house i eat all of it.i eat it for every meal and snack and feel so out of control.and then sick.
i always tell myself it's no big deal, i'm allowed to eat whatever i want, it's just food, it has no power.but then it just happens over and over.
but i am also a recovering alcoholic, so like, yeah some of us have underlying issues and just willing ourselves to be more moderate won't work with certain things.0
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