Everything in moderation
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I agree with what that guy said about that thing0
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The realization that I could still eat donuts changed my life. Not even kidding, it literally altered everything I felt about food and my approach to eating/losing fat.0
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I agree with you to a certain point. I don't push my diet down peoples throats. Even though I am off carbs I am happy for people who can eat them all the time and stay small. I just feel like moderation works for some people. Everyone has a different genetic makeup. So I think if moderation works for you than great but for other people they have to restrict and I see nothing wrong with that. The purpose is to get healthy. Once I lose the weight I need to I'm going to eat what I want in moderation!0
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The realization that I could still eat donuts changed my life. Not even kidding, it literally altered everything I felt about food and my approach to eating/losing fat.
True.
Honestly, when someone (IRL) says, "you worked SO HARD to lose weight", I feel kinda bad, because most of my weight loss has just been from portion control. Sure, working out is more effort, but it's not like I've really been sacrificing.0 -
In.
Just in.
ETA: There's usually an interesting correlation between ticker marker and which side of this argument people are on. Will be interesting to see if this thread follows the same pattern.
I'm crunching numbers now.
Join dates too but that's in another chart.
lol. am interested to see where i fit in.
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Oh look, another "I found something that works for me therefore it must work for everyone else too" thread.
No.
I certainly do not define "moderation" the way the OP does, or lots of people around here. Been there, done that, and I gained 140lbs doing so.
It's taken different roads, and different methods of containment with certain trigger foods, to finally get me free. And it did NOT come in the "have two cookies a night" road at all. That's bad advice for some, because it will not work for everyone.0 -
Oh look, another "I found something that works for me therefore it must work for everyone else too" thread.
No.
I certainly do not define "moderation" the way the OP does, or lots of people around here. Been there, done that, and I gained 140lbs doing so.
It's taken different roads, and different methods of containment with certain trigger foods, to finally get me free. And it did NOT come in the "have two cookies a night" road at all. That's bad advice for some, because it will not work for everyone.
Truth. A lot of people on this site need to learn that what works for them won't work for everyone. I have gotten a lot better, but there are some things I just can't keep in the house. This is not to say that I will never eat my trigger foods again because that's really unrealistic, but I can't casually buy a 14 serving bag of baked lays or a sack of chex mix or those friggin' McCain smiles things.
Binge eating disorder is a compulsive mental condition and there are plenty of people who suffer but are undiagonosed because of shame, lack of money/insurance or whatever other reasons. It's absolutely ridiculous to tell obese people who are just starting out that they should go buy tubs of ice cream because "*I* can eat one serving and stop". Good job if you can, but for some it's honestly not a question of willpower.
Cue everyone calling me "butthurt". I'm feeling fabulous about my progress, willpower and motivation to keep on keeping on. If anyone is butthurt, it's people who think I need to do exactly what they are doing to not feel "deprived" and "miserable".0 -
great post! so true !0
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Oh look, another "I found something that works for me therefore it must work for everyone else too" thread.
No.
I certainly do not define "moderation" the way the OP does, or lots of people around here. Been there, done that, and I gained 140lbs doing so.
It's taken different roads, and different methods of containment with certain trigger foods, to finally get me free. And it did NOT come in the "have two cookies a night" road at all. That's bad advice for some, because it will not work for everyone.
I never said to eat yourself into oblivion.
I said to enjoy your food in moderation.
What you are describing is someone with emotional issues with food.
If you have an addiction, get help!
I'm sure someone who binge eats probably isn't very happy.
This post is about controlling yourself with the food you enjoy!
Its about doing what makes you happy!
Listen if you eat an Oreo cookie and it sends you into the deepest depression, causing binge eating and other issues, you've got bigger issues than just food!
Avoid it, but get help please!
If you eat an Oreo and it brings you pleasure, and a serving is enough, rock on completely!
This post comes on the heels of seeing posts made by new and old members who say "I binged!" Or "What foods can you not live without?"
What I'm saying is to not cut these foods and learn to allow yourself a serving here and there!
Gaining 140lbs isn't the foods fault! Have some accountability.0 -
Oh look, another "I found something that works for me therefore it must work for everyone else too" thread.
No.
I certainly do not define "moderation" the way the OP does, or lots of people around here. Been there, done that, and I gained 140lbs doing so.
It's taken different roads, and different methods of containment with certain trigger foods, to finally get me free. And it did NOT come in the "have two cookies a night" road at all. That's bad advice for some, because it will not work for everyone.
I never said to eat yourself into oblivion.
I said to enjoy your food in moderation.
What you are describing is someone with emotional issues with food.
If you have an addiction, get help!
I'm sure someone who binge eats probably isn't very happy.
This post is about controlling yourself with the food you enjoy!
Its about doing what makes you happy!
Listen if you eat an Oreo cookie and it sends you into the deepest depression, causing binge eating and other issues, you've got bigger issues than just food!
Avoid it, but get help please!
If you eat an Oreo and it brings you pleasure, and a serving is enough, rock on completely!
This post comes on the heels of seeing posts made by new and old members who say "I binged!" Or "What foods can you not live without?"
What I'm saying is to not cut these foods and learn to allow yourself a serving here and there!
Gaining 140lbs isn't the foods fault! Have some accountability.
You've got to be kidding me.
First off brotha, you're barking up the wrong tree. My post doesn't contain the word "binge" once. Take it up with someone who was having that debate.
You're talking to a person who doesn't associated moral concepts with food anymore. I let all that go. I don't "reward" myself with food, I don't "love" food, and I associate neither guilt nor shame with my food choices.
I simply stated that the roads I took to freedom were not traveled by your "eat one serving size a day" method of moderation. That's awful advice for me, and I'm thankful that I kept it real about my strengths, my weaknesses, and created roads that worked perfectly for me.
And where, do tell, did I "blame" food for gaining 140lbs? My *kitten* earned every pound by what I put in my mouth. You made an assumption, and picked the wrong damn man. I have NEVER had excuses about my weight, and have never been the one to blame anyone else. What I said is that I took the "everything in moderation" path that you think is the road to Glory, and I gained 140lbs on that path. It was a BAD road for me. But that doesn't excuse the fact that I took the road, that I failed at it, and that it was my choices that landed me hot water.
Perhaps if you spent a little less time being so self righteous and assumptive you'd learn something about other people, their journeys, and their successful methods.0 -
>_> Wow... I'm sure the OP didn't expect his thread to turn into a bash fest. His tone isn't even that harsh which I can't understand how some of the opposing views are so snarky. (>u> Though he does call some of these new diet plans/ways of healthy living bs... the key point about moderation seems to the stand out here... and that part isn't so bad)
I think people are looking into it far more intensely than they should.
Some foods I can have in moderation and some foods I can't. Period. Therefore, I agree to a certain degree, however, some foods I know will make me binge happy (Doritos for instance) so I don't have them. I don't even crave them anymore anyway. But even some healthier foods (Stacy's baked pita chips or Brads raw kale chips or bananas or avocados) can make me binge happy too, but at the end of the day, I say oh well and enjoy every last bite.
Oh well...let the battle rage on...
Pffft.
*grabs Stacy's baked pita chips and sits on a recliner*0 -
>_> Wow... I'm sure the OP didn't expect his thread to turn into a bash fest. His tone isn't even that harsh which I can't understand how some of the opposing views are so snarky.
My response wasn't snarky -- all I said is that moderation does not work for everyone, including myself. The strong responses may be attributable to the tone of the OP's previous posts and his profile, in which he presents himself as a lay expert and suggests that everyone else's experience -- including people who closely observe themselves -- is invalid.0 -
>_> Wow... I'm sure the OP didn't expect his thread to turn into a bash fest. His tone isn't even that harsh which I can't understand how some of the opposing views are so snarky.
My response wasn't snarky -- all I said is that moderation does not work for everyone, including myself. The strong responses may be attributable to the tone of the OP's previous posts and his profile, in which he presents himself as a lay expert and suggests that everyone else's experience -- including people who closely observe themselves -- is invalid.
I'm sorry but rules are it has to work for everyone, if it doesn't then it's not allowed.
Rules is rules.0 -
I suspect for a large proportion of people on here that is the case. In fact, I wonder how many have put on large amounts of weight WITHOUT such. Why did they do so, if so?What you are describing is someone with emotional issues with food.
If you have an addiction, get help!
Why? I can binge eat when I'm happy or unhappy. Just as I can say, go for a motorcycle ride when I am happy or unhappy. It's an activity that I enjoy, so I like to do it.I'm sure someone who binge eats probably isn't very happy.
If you can eat an oreo and "one is enough", then the reader probably doesn't need your advice anyway
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>_> Wow... I'm sure the OP didn't expect his thread to turn into a bash fest. His tone isn't even that harsh which I can't understand how some of the opposing views are so snarky.
My response wasn't snarky -- all I said is that moderation does not work for everyone, including myself. The strong responses may be attributable to the tone of the OP's previous posts and his profile, in which he presents himself as a lay expert and suggests that everyone else's experience -- including people who closely observe themselves -- is invalid.
I'm sorry but rules are it has to work for everyone, if it doesn't then it's not allowed.
Rules is rules.
EDITED TO ADD: Sorry, I think you were agreeing with me.
Maybe the "rule" is not explaining the phenomenon. As I said earlier, it's well known that eating certain foods causes cravings for some people. This is a neurochemical phenomenon. Eating in moderation will not work for them.
BBC America broadcast its documentary, "The Men Who Made Us Fat," which talks about the problem of adding High Fructose Corn Syrup to food, which is one of the causes of this problem. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QtwIwAA&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6nGlLUBkOQ&ei=bSRDU5DvEYL4yQHdkYAo&usg=AFQjCNHhWGHTVzzPx-ZPAds9WkD_dhQXDA&sig2=RO2JZrrQkLo0Nm0kdMau8g&bvm=bv.64125504,d.aWc
The problem with MFP is too many here don't understand the expression "A little learning is a dangerous thing." Not every mechanism is understood. Sometimes statements in the popular press are wrong or oversimplified. Some people have carefully watched what causes them to over-eat and that is valid information. For some, that is consuming certain "trigger" foods.0 -
I suspect for a large proportion of people on here that is the case. In fact, I wonder how many have put on large amounts of weight WITHOUT such. Why did they do so, if so?
If you have an addiction, get help!
You can find you have a tendency to over-eat certain foods. That doesn't mean that you have an addiction in the clinical sense. (If it is an addiction, it is not uncommon.) But it does mean that you are not capable of eating a small portion when left to your devices.
People who have studied the increase in obesity since the 1970s believe that the taste of fast foods are manipulated by companies to have just the right combination of sweet and salty tastes so people will eat more of them. They are betting that most people can't exercise moderation.
Again, if you find it easy to eat that way, that's great. But there are large numbers of people who can't.0 -
mmmm last night'spizza was delicious (double cardio made sure iifym)0
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I can easily overeat on 'natural' fruit.which talks about the problem of adding High Fructose Corn Syrup to food, which is one of the causes of this problem.
I blame god. Or nature.
I would blame myself, but that's looked down upon these days.
Also, that last line about 'addiction' was meant to be edited out and was from a previous poster.0 -
I can easily overeat on 'natural' fruit.which talks about the problem of adding High Fructose Corn Syrup to food, which is one of the causes of this problem.
I blame god. Or nature.
I would blame myself, but that's looked down upon these days.
Also, that last line about 'addiction' was meant to be edited out and was from a previous poster.
The fact that you might have trigger foods doesn't absolve you from responsibility. People ARE taking responsibility by recognizing that they need to avoid certain foods and by not bringing them into the house.0 -
Interesting views on this topic BTW.0
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You've got to be kidding me.
First off brotha, you're barking up the wrong tree. My post doesn't contain the word "binge" once. Take it up with someone who was having that debate.
You're talking to a person who doesn't associated moral concepts with food anymore. I let all that go. I don't "reward" myself with food, I don't "love" food, and I associate neither guilt nor shame with my food choices.
I simply stated that the roads I took to freedom were not traveled by your "eat one serving size a day" method of moderation. That's awful advice for me, and I'm thankful that I kept it real about my strengths, my weaknesses, and created roads that worked perfectly for me.
And where, do tell, did I "blame" food for gaining 140lbs? My *kitten* earned every pound by what I put in my mouth. You made an assumption, and picked the wrong damn man. I have NEVER had excuses about my weight, and have never been the one to blame anyone else. What I said is that I took the "everything in moderation" path that you think is the road to Glory, and I gained 140lbs on that path. It was a BAD road for me. But that doesn't excuse the fact that I took the road, that I failed at it, and that it was my choices that landed me hot water.
Perhaps if you spent a little less time being so self righteous and assumptive you'd learn something about other people, their journeys, and their successful methods.
Im neither self rites or assumptive, and i'm learning plenty!
This post was a test to see how many people lose their **** at the word "Moderation".
mod·er·a·tion
ˌmädəˈrāSHən/Submit
noun
1.
the avoidance of excess or extremes, esp. in one's behavior or political opinions.
"he urged the police to show moderation"
synonyms: self-restraint, restraint, self-control, self-command, self-discipline;
I have immense respect for someone who's lost any amount of weight against all odds!
Especially 130lbs! Thats almost a whole me!
But just by admitting "I certainly do not define "moderation" the way the OP does, or lots of people around here. Been there, done that, and I gained 140lbs doing so." Shows that there are underlying issues. Thats all!
People think i'm bashing them because I have Ben and Jerry's every night, or can have the 3 Oreo's.
I learned early that if I cut out whole foods i'll obsess and THAT doesn't make me happy.
Eating the food does!
In moderation.0 -
People think i'm bashing them because I have Ben and Jerry's every night, or can have the 3 Oreo's.
I learned early that if I cut out whole foods i'll obsess and THAT doesn't make me happy.
Eating the food does!
In moderation.
Pretty sure no one cares what you eat every night. People are just are saying that your advice is poor advice for them personally. When they say they don't want to incorporate a regular portion of Ben and Jerry's into their own diet, you're telling them to get help with their eating disorders. Why do you care if they eat dessert or decide to skip it? Just because they intentionally do not stock up on cookies doesn't mean they're unhappy with what they eat nor does it mean they have an eating disorder nor does it mean they "need help." It just means they don't want the temptation to snack on desserts laying around their house.
I think at the end of the day you value your oreos and other sweets more than most people, and there's nothing wrong with that, but realize that's not everyone. I haven't had an oreo since... I don't know, high school? I had Ben and Jerry's when I had my tonsils taken out in graduate school, but I don't know that I've had any since then. Is it tasty? Sure. Do I obsess when I don't eat it? Not at all. If I stocked it up in my fridge at home, would I eat it on a regular basis? Yes, I would. Do I need those empty calories in my diet? No way.
In short, you're really pushing what worked for you on other people (and telling them they need help when they disagree with you is just comical), but what worked for you is not necessarily the best route for everyone else.0 -
I wasn't trying to absolve myself from responsibility.The fact that you might have trigger foods doesn't absolve you from responsibility. People ARE taking responsibility by recognizing that they need to avoid certain foods and by not bringing them into the house.
You will note my comments are directed against HFCS as the evil bogey monster.0 -
Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.
(Stephen R. Covey).0 -
The issue is, people don't want moderation. They don't want to have the understanding that they will NOT be able to eat with reckless abandon and maintain a healthy weight. Actually, most people I see starting here are looking for the fastest way to lose weight, which leads them to demonize foods, practices, and common sense really. That is the crux of the issue.
The hardest, more cruel slap of reality is, you CANNOT just eat what you want, when you want, in any amount you want. There are rules and limits. You also can't deny that exercise improves your body, but also lets you enjoy MORE of what you want, when you want, and in bigger amounts than if you do not exercise.
THAT is the truth of it.0 -
From my point of view, it's more a case that you're offering bad advice.People think i'm bashing them because I have Ben and Jerry's every night, or can have the 3 Oreo's.
I learned early that if I cut out whole foods i'll obsess and THAT doesn't make me happy.
Eating the food does!
In moderation.
I often eat a whole tub of icecream in a night (err, ok, not having a working freezer this moment may be part of that). This is while losing 2lb/week. Soon be getting to bulk and could go for a tub of B&J every night fine then.
But that doesn't mean your advice is good for me.
As has been discussed - it's like telling a gambling addict "just gamble a LITTLE bit and you'll be happy".
Can't see that sort of advice going down well, really.0 -
But just by admitting "I certainly do not define "moderation" the way the OP does, or lots of people around here. Been there, done that, and I gained 140lbs doing so." Shows that there are underlying issues. Thats all!
So basically we're back at square one.
You believe that if people don't practice "moderation" in the way you do, they have "underlying issues".
Nobody is debating with you because you believe in having 3 oreos or a single serving of B&J a night. Nobody on this board cares what you put down your gullet.
They're after you because you have the audacity to speak for other people's relationship with food, and frankly have no idea what the hell you're talking about.I learned early that if I cut out whole foods i'll obsess and THAT doesn't make me happy.
Eating the food does!
In moderation.
I don't "obsess" over food. I haven't had that kind of unfortunate relationship with food in years.
But yes, you, who needs to eat 3 oreos a night in order to not "obsess" over food feels worthy to diagnose other people over the internet.
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Chiming in although quite late and just highlighting my experience. I've always been an "all or nothing" kind of person until recently. For whatever reason, having gallbladder removal surgery (plus the pain that led to it, etc) really threw me for a loop (I'm still in the adjustment period as the surgery was only two weeks ago). I'm definitely one of those type people that if I deny myself (or am told I must deny myself) then all I think about is that food. For example: After surgery, somehow I got it in my head from being told to watch the fat content of what I eat for the next few weeks that I could not have a Hot Dog. The craving kicked in about 4 days after the surgery. I wanted nothing more than a stupid Hot Dog. Finally broke down and got a hot dog at Costco Food Court (I figured if I didn't finish it I wasn't wasting too much money) yesterday. Ate between 1/2 to 3/4 of that hot dog, no ill effects and honestly no desire to have another Hot Dog anytime in the near future.
Same with Soda, Ice Cream, Pizza, Zeppoles, etc. If I say "I can't have", then I want like there is no tomorrow. I also agree with some of the other posts, there are certain foods that if I'm going to have, I need to buy in an amount that allows for moderation. So Peanut Butter Cups must be a single serving package or I'll eat all of them. Ben and Jerry's is a treat and often I'll go get a cone (or a cup) instead of getting the pint at the store.
It is about moderation, about allowing for the occasional "cheat" if the "cheat" isn't an addiction. That should cover the diabetic that will not cut out the sugar (which can be deadly to the diabetic) or the alcoholic that won't cut out the alcohol. If it's such a trigger that it could severely hurt you, then there is no choice but to cut it out.0 -
I wasn't trying to absolve myself from responsibility.The fact that you might have trigger foods doesn't absolve you from responsibility. People ARE taking responsibility by recognizing that they need to avoid certain foods and by not bringing them into the house.
You will note my comments are directed against HFCS as the evil bogey monster.
I thought you were taking about the attitude of people in general. My comment wasn't directed at you personally. I'm sorry if you received that impression.0
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