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Am I the only one who is actually angered by posts like this one?*

These posts imply that it's possible to achieve meaningful weight loss in a short amount of time, and the only thing stopping someone from doing it is either knowledge or commitment. This is remarkably insulting to those who work for months and months (and years) to achieve results as if they are either lacking some readily available information or they lack the commitment or dedication to do what needs to be done. (There were even some posts earlier in this thread that didn't just imply it, but actually said it.)




* I'm not meaning to pick on OP specifically, because she isn't alone in these kinds of posts that seemingly show up at least daily, but my admonishment applies nonetheless.

Not to be rude, but all of this seems like a lot of investment in someone else's perception/misperceptions. If the OP takes the good advice in the thread, she could be on her way to sexypants. If she decides to crash diet, she could be setting herself up for weight gain and health problems. Nothing about either choice invalidates anyone else's experience.

If someone chooses to make his or her life harder by ignoring what they know to be true, why not consider the source and move on? Ultimately it is her body, her perception and her choice.

This thread has zero impact on my own personal situation. And I don't really care what OP does. She's just one person. However, I *do* care about the message it sends to the millions of other MFPers who aren't OP, some of whom are on my FL...enough that I decided to address it.

Similarly, I don't really care what *you* think about my post either. *shrug*

Then why respond at all except for an investment in the negative? Ultimately everyone has to make their own choices. People new to the site and people who have been around for a while all have personal choices to make. If it has zero impact on your situation, then there is very little to be angry about. The OP asked a question, to which she knew the answer. If someone who is new to the site comes along and reads the thread, they have access to all of the reasonable advice given to the OP and they can see for themselves that the OP was willing to make an unhealthy choice.

Everyone is going to make his or her own choices based on their perceptions. People who are ready to face reality and make changes will take the useful information on board, do their investigations and have positive results. No one is required to take good advice. People who want to move on will take good advice. And like clockwork someone will start a similar thread tomorrow or the day after.

He's responding for the same reason you are responding -- it touches a nerve. You could do the same you're saying Jof should do -- you could just ignore what he is saying and move on. The difference is his is constructive criticism of a real problem with people who REALLY do think that 'fast and easy' is the way to go instead of moderate to slow. Your criticism of his take on it is just that -- criticism.

Am I the only one who is actually angered by posts like this one?*

These posts imply that it's possible to achieve meaningful weight loss in a short amount of time, and the only thing stopping someone from doing it is either knowledge or commitment. This is remarkably insulting to those who work for months and months (and years) to achieve results as if they are either lacking some readily available information or they lack the commitment or dedication to do what needs to be done. (There were even some posts earlier in this thread that didn't just imply it, but actually said it.)




* I'm not meaning to pick on OP specifically, because she isn't alone in these kinds of posts that seemingly show up at least daily, but my admonishment applies nonetheless.

Not to be rude, but all of this seems like a lot of investment in someone else's perception/misperceptions. If the OP takes the good advice in the thread, she could be on her way to sexypants. If she decides to crash diet, she could be setting herself up for weight gain and health problems. Nothing about either choice invalidates anyone else's experience.

If someone chooses to make his or her life harder by ignoring what they know to be true, why not consider the source and move on? Ultimately it is her body, her perception and her choice.

This thread has zero impact on my own personal situation. And I don't really care what OP does. She's just one person. However, I *do* care about the message it sends to the millions of other MFPers who aren't OP, some of whom are on my FL...enough that I decided to address it.

Similarly, I don't really care what *you* think about my post either. *shrug*

Then why respond at all except for an investment in the negative? Ultimately everyone has to make their own choices. People new to the site and people who have been around for a while all have personal choices to make. If it has zero impact on your situation, then there is very little to be angry about. The OP asked a question, to which she knew the answer. If someone who is new to the site comes along and reads the thread, they have access to all of the reasonable advice given to the OP and they can see for themselves that the OP was willing to make an unhealthy choice.

Everyone is going to make his or her own choices based on their perceptions. People who are ready to face reality and make changes will take the useful information on board, do their investigations and have positive results. No one is required to take good advice. People who want to move on will take good advice. And like clockwork someone will start a similar thread tomorrow or the day after.

He's responding for the same reason you are responding -- it touches a nerve. You could do the same you're saying Jof should do -- you could just ignore what he is saying and move on. The difference is his is constructive criticism of a real problem with people who REALLY do think that 'fast and easy' is the way to go instead of moderate to slow. Your criticism of his take on it is just that -- criticism.

The head weighs about 10lbs. Get rid of that for a great start.

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You're a personal/fitness trainer and that is your best answer?

I think many people on mfp forget that they were once new here, that they all had different motivations for joining, or starting their weight loss journey. The OP joined in March and has lost 4lbs. She may not realize that slow and steady is the best way. Giving her sarcastic answers isn't really helping. She may not realize that a 2lb per week weight loss is already a great thing. How about some actual good advice for someone who is asking for help.

OP, my advice is, Log all your food. Stay below your calorie goals, and work out for 30 minutes, 5 times a week. No, it's not going to get you shredded, but I guarantee after 5 weeks you will be feeling a lot better about yourself, whether you've lost 5 or 10 pounds. That was my plan when I first started. 5 weeks later, I just felt plain good. The working out is a must though! And 30 minutes a day is totally doable! Baby steps. You can do this!!

Am I the only one who is actually angered by posts like this one?*

These posts imply that it's possible to achieve meaningful weight loss in a short amount of time, and the only thing stopping someone from doing it is either knowledge or commitment. This is remarkably insulting to those who work for months and months (and years) to achieve results as if they are either lacking some readily available information or they lack the commitment or dedication to do what needs to be done. (There were even some posts earlier in this thread that didn't just imply it, but actually said it.)




* I'm not meaning to pick on OP specifically, because she isn't alone in these kinds of posts that seemingly show up at least daily, but my admonishment applies nonetheless.

Not to be rude, but all of this seems like a lot of investment in someone else's perception/misperceptions. If the OP takes the good advice in the thread, she could be on her way to sexypants. If she decides to crash diet, she could be setting herself up for weight gain and health problems. Nothing about either choice invalidates anyone else's experience.

If someone chooses to make his or her life harder by ignoring what they know to be true, why not consider the source and move on? Ultimately it is her body, her perception and her choice.

This thread has zero impact on my own personal situation. And I don't really care what OP does. She's just one person. However, I *do* care about the message it sends to the millions of other MFPers who aren't OP, some of whom are on my FL...enough that I decided to address it.

Similarly, I don't really care what *you* think about my post either. *shrug*

Then why respond at all except for an investment in the negative? Ultimately everyone has to make their own choices. People new to the site and people who have been around for a while all have personal choices to make. If it has zero impact on your situation, then there is very little to be angry about. The OP asked a question, to which she knew the answer. If someone who is new to the site comes along and reads the thread, they have access to all of the reasonable advice given to the OP and they can see for themselves that the OP was willing to make an unhealthy choice.

Everyone is going to make his or her own choices based on their perceptions. People who are ready to face reality and make changes will take the useful information on board, do their investigations and have positive results. No one is required to take good advice. People who want to move on will take good advice. And like clockwork someone will start a similar thread tomorrow or the day after.

He's responding for the same reason you are responding -- it touches a nerve. You could do the same you're saying Jof should do -- you could just ignore what he is saying and move on. The difference is his is constructive criticism of a real problem with people who REALLY do think that 'fast and easy' is the way to go instead of moderate to slow. Your criticism of his take on it is just that -- criticism.

I chose to respond and will not pretend not to care while still responding. There is a quite a bit of information in this thread that could be useful to people, despite the fact that the OP started off looking for a solution that is not optimal.

At no point did I say that anyone should or should not respond. What I said was that there seemed to be a lot of investment in perception that is not necessarily based on the OP's thoughts or intentions. She did not speak about anyone else's experience. She put herself and her reasoning right out there. She did not imply that anyone else's experience was invalid. That line of thinking was projected into the thread.

And again people who are looking for solid information, can find it in this thread. People who are not ready to look honestly at what they need to do individually to make changes will have a variety of outcomes.

Am I the only one who is actually angered by posts like this one?*

These posts imply that it's possible to achieve meaningful weight loss in a short amount of time, and the only thing stopping someone from doing it is either knowledge or commitment. This is remarkably insulting to those who work for months and months (and years) to achieve results as if they are either lacking some readily available information or they lack the commitment or dedication to do what needs to be done. (There were even some posts earlier in this thread that didn't just imply it, but actually said it.)




* I'm not meaning to pick on OP specifically, because she isn't alone in these kinds of posts that seemingly show up at least daily, but my admonishment applies nonetheless.

Not to be rude, but all of this seems like a lot of investment in someone else's perception/misperceptions. If the OP takes the good advice in the thread, she could be on her way to sexypants. If she decides to crash diet, she could be setting herself up for weight gain and health problems. Nothing about either choice invalidates anyone else's experience.

If someone chooses to make his or her life harder by ignoring what they know to be true, why not consider the source and move on? Ultimately it is her body, her perception and her choice.

This thread has zero impact on my own personal situation. And I don't really care what OP does. She's just one person. However, I *do* care about the message it sends to the millions of other MFPers who aren't OP, some of whom are on my FL...enough that I decided to address it.

Similarly, I don't really care what *you* think about my post either. *shrug*

Then why respond at all except for an investment in the negative? Ultimately everyone has to make their own choices. People new to the site and people who have been around for a while all have personal choices to make. If it has zero impact on your situation, then there is very little to be angry about. The OP asked a question, to which she knew the answer. If someone who is new to the site comes along and reads the thread, they have access to all of the reasonable advice given to the OP and they can see for themselves that the OP was willing to make an unhealthy choice.

Everyone is going to make his or her own choices based on their perceptions. People who are ready to face reality and make changes will take the useful information on board, do their investigations and have positive results. No one is required to take good advice. People who want to move on will take good advice. And like clockwork someone will start a similar thread tomorrow or the day after.

He's responding for the same reason you are responding -- it touches a nerve. You could do the same you're saying Jof should do -- you could just ignore what he is saying and move on. The difference is his is constructive criticism of a real problem with people who REALLY do think that 'fast and easy' is the way to go instead of moderate to slow. Your criticism of his take on it is just that -- criticism.

You know what? I changed my mind. The "loose weight quick" mindset has no impact on me

I'm going to go google "safe effective weight loss" and read all the well-written articles offering practical advice based on peer reviewed literature.

NO. WAY. Get off of here with your logic, common sense, and grown up behavior!

Unfortunately, all I could find is 28-day-fixes and 8 foods to demonize.

So...I'm back.

I lose 4kg in 5 days in a row ....



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Am I the only one who is actually angered by posts like this one?*

These posts imply that it's possible to achieve meaningful weight loss in a short amount of time, and the only thing stopping someone from doing it is either knowledge or commitment. This is remarkably insulting to those who work for months and months (and years) to achieve results as if they are either lacking some readily available information or they lack the commitment or dedication to do what needs to be done. (There were even some posts earlier in this thread that didn't just imply it, but actually said it.)




* I'm not meaning to pick on OP specifically, because she isn't alone in these kinds of posts that seemingly show up at least daily, but my admonishment applies nonetheless.

Not to be rude, but all of this seems like a lot of investment in someone else's perception/misperceptions. If the OP takes the good advice in the thread, she could be on her way to sexypants. If she decides to crash diet, she could be setting herself up for weight gain and health problems. Nothing about either choice invalidates anyone else's experience.

If someone chooses to make his or her life harder by ignoring what they know to be true, why not consider the source and move on? Ultimately it is her body, her perception and her choice.

This thread has zero impact on my own personal situation. And I don't really care what OP does. She's just one person. However, I *do* care about the message it sends to the millions of other MFPers who aren't OP, some of whom are on my FL...enough that I decided to address it.

Similarly, I don't really care what *you* think about my post either. *shrug*

Then why respond at all except for an investment in the negative? Ultimately everyone has to make their own choices. People new to the site and people who have been around for a while all have personal choices to make. If it has zero impact on your situation, then there is very little to be angry about. The OP asked a question, to which she knew the answer. If someone who is new to the site comes along and reads the thread, they have access to all of the reasonable advice given to the OP and they can see for themselves that the OP was willing to make an unhealthy choice.

Everyone is going to make his or her own choices based on their perceptions. People who are ready to face reality and make changes will take the useful information on board, do their investigations and have positive results. No one is required to take good advice. People who want to move on will take good advice. And like clockwork someone will start a similar thread tomorrow or the day after.

He's responding for the same reason you are responding -- it touches a nerve. You could do the same you're saying Jof should do -- you could just ignore what he is saying and move on. The difference is his is constructive criticism of a real problem with people who REALLY do think that 'fast and easy' is the way to go instead of moderate to slow. Your criticism of his take on it is just that -- criticism.

I chose to respond and will not pretend not to care while still responding. There is a quite a bit of information in this thread that could be useful to people, despite the fact that the OP started off looking for a solution that is not optimal.

At no point did I say that anyone should or should not respond. What I said was that there seemed to be a lot of investment in perception that is not necessarily based on the OP's thoughts or intentions. She did not speak about anyone else's experience. She put herself and her reasoning right out there. She did not imply that anyone else's experience was invalid. That line of thinking was projected into the thread.

And again people who are looking for solid information, can find it in this thread. People who are not ready to look honestly at what they need to do individually to make changes will have a variety of outcomes.

Actually, yes, yes you did. You flat out said if he was going to be negative then he shouldn't respond. However, HE said in his original post that his irritation wasn't aimed at OP, but rather the implication from others on this very thread that you CAN drop weight super fast and others just choose to ignore it. The problem with these threads is multi-fold with just a few right off the top of my head that they imply that you should do something that isn't healthy (she said she didn't want to hear that), that people here will help and encourage it (some folks sure did), and that the rules of MFP don't apply. So, while I get your point to some degree, your perception in this case is skewed quite wonky, too.

As I previously said I didnt realize it was unhealthy, its what Im doing & its only 200 less calories then what mfp recommends so I thought it was fine.. simply saying ya know I think your doing things all wrong & are uninformed would have been sufficient.

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As I previously said I didnt realize it was unhealthy, its what Im doing & its only 200 less calories then what mfp recommends so I thought it was fine.. simply saying ya know I think your doing things all wrong & are uninformed would have been sufficient.

I call BS. MFP tells you that you are undereating if you close out your diary with fewer than 1200 calories.

I didn't know that so tried it and you're right.

However, in huge writing it says a pretty attractive "If every day were like today you would weigh..... IN LARGE BOLDED RED TEXT! Pretty appealing

Then tucked away in small print is the warning of which you spoke



I'm pretty sure I would have missed that if I hadn't been looking - really wouldn't have taken much notice

As I previously said I didnt realize it was unhealthy, its what Im doing & its only 200 less calories then what mfp recommends so I thought it was fine.. simply saying ya know I think your doing things all wrong & are uninformed would have been sufficient.

I call BS. MFP tells you that you are undereating if you close out your diary with fewer than 1200 calories.

I didn't know that so tried it and you're right.

However, in huge writing it says a pretty attractive "If every day were like today you would weigh..... IN LARGE BOLDED RED TEXT! Pretty appealing

Then tucked away in small print is the warning of which you spoke



I'm pretty sure I would have missed that if I hadn't been looking - really wouldn't have taken much notice

Tucked away? That's a whole paragraph, with red lettering in it....

You CAN absolutely lose 15pds in 5 weeks, is it healthy? prob not & it will be hard work but it is possible. You'll need to cut all fried foods, white carbs & sugar & limit your calorie intake to 800-1000 a day (you will be hungry) Your also need to work out 7 days a week for at least a hr..maybe get 30 day shred or t25 & do that for 30 mins & then do the treadmill for another 30.

7 pounds of it will be fat and the rest will be lean mass. But we don't want to hear how unhealthy this is for you....

This the Op's question not mine, She asked if it was possible & I answered. She already knows its not a healthy way to go,,but maybe losing weight quicky will be a jumpstart for her to lose more in the long run.

So you know and assume the OP knows it's not healthy, but went ahead and advised her how to do it?

*smh*

Am I the only one who sees what's wrong with this? I thought this was My FITNESS Pal? If it is going to be unhealthy, why would you advise it on a Fitness site whose goal for people (regardless if they are here to lose, maintain, or gain) is to be "fit/healthy"?

Do u read her original post? she said she wanted advice on quick weight loss & didnt want to hear responses like its unhealthy dont do it so yes Id assume she knows it may not be the best way to go. I really dont know how healthy or unhealthy it is as Im new to this board myself. But I know its possible & thats what she asked so I answered. Why is everyone so negative.

I'm enjoying reading the shenanigans in this threads and was mulling over a witty reply for the end but after reading this comment above I will say something now.

First off this is the internet, a public forum. Every single one of us chooses to be here for one reason or another. How vocal an individual is in the community is up to that person. You can like or dislike what someone says but just because you dislike something doesn't make it a rude comment. We could also argue some people are just way to sensitive. As it was stated on the previous page their are a lot of new, easily influenced people on this board every day and other members spreading misconceptions or giving out bad or sometimes just down right terrible advice is not going to serve those new people well. It may look like people gang up on one person when they say something that makes no sense but in reality it's not. It's a bunch of individuals with the same thought process responding similarly but it by no means is an orchestrated attack.

Now the person feeling attacked has options:
1. Defend their thought process with actual facts and bring forth a meaningful debate.

2. Cry about how everyone is a bully and thank only the ones that support their bad ideas resulting in the inability to learn valuable information due to stubbornness.

3. Get upset and say the won't post again and actually follow through with that threat. Which actually might benefit the new people because they won't have to worry about other members giving them so much bad advice like what happens here daily.

Now to address you directly. You said you assume the OP knows something is bad. Don't assume, some people are smarter than they look and some are not. You said you are not sure if it's healthy or not as you are new to this board yourself. So if you don't know the right approach, why give any advice on the subject at all? It's the blind leading the blind. Don't worry yourself about who's rude and who's not. Toughen up if you're going to come play in the sandbox but gather your thought before hand because it can get rough and mom's not here to put a bandaid on the wound.

You CAN absolutely lose 15pds in 5 weeks, is it healthy? prob not & it will be hard work but it is possible. You'll need to cut all fried foods, white carbs & sugar & limit your calorie intake to 800-1000 a day (you will be hungry) Your also need to work out 7 days a week for at least a hr..maybe get 30 day shred or t25 & do that for 30 mins & then do the treadmill for another 30.

7 pounds of it will be fat and the rest will be lean mass. But we don't want to hear how unhealthy this is for you....

This the Op's question not mine, She asked if it was possible & I answered. She already knows its not a healthy way to go,,but maybe losing weight quicky will be a jumpstart for her to lose more in the long run.

So you know and assume the OP knows it's not healthy, but went ahead and advised her how to do it?

*smh*

Am I the only one who sees what's wrong with this? I thought this was My FITNESS Pal? If it is going to be unhealthy, why would you advise it on a Fitness site whose goal for people (regardless if they are here to lose, maintain, or gain) is to be "fit/healthy"?

Do u read her original post? she said she wanted advice on quick weight loss & didnt want to hear responses like its unhealthy dont do it so yes Id assume she knows it may not be the best way to go. I really dont know how healthy or unhealthy it is as Im new to this board myself. But I know its possible & thats what she asked so I answered. Why is everyone so negative.

I'm enjoying reading the shenanigans in this threads and was mulling over a witty reply for the end but after reading this comment above I will say something now.

First off this is the internet, a public forum. Every single one of us chooses to be here for one reason or another. How vocal an individual is in the community is up to that person. You can like or dislike what someone says but just because you dislike something doesn't make it a rude comment. We could also argue some people are just way to sensitive. As it was stated on the previous page their are a lot of new, easily influenced people on this board every day and other members spreading misconceptions or giving out bad or sometimes just down right terrible advice is not going to serve those new people well. It may look like people gang up on one person when they say something that makes no sense but in reality it's not. It's a bunch of individuals with the same thought process responding similarly but it by no means is an orchestrated attack.

Now the person feeling attacked has options:
1. Defend their thought process with actual facts and bring forth a meaningful debate.

2. Cry about how everyone is a bully and thank only the ones that support their bad ideas resulting in the inability to learn valuable information due to stubbornness.

3. Get upset and say the won't post again and actually follow through with that threat. Which actually might benefit the new people because they won't have to worry about other members giving them so much bad advice like what happens here daily.

Now to address you directly. You said you assume the OP knows something is bad. Don't assume, some people are smarter than they look and some are not. You said you are not sure if it's healthy or not as you are new to this board yourself. So if you don't know the right approach, why give any advice on the subject at all? It's the blind leading the blind. Don't worry yourself about who's rude and who's not. Toughen up if you're going to come play in the sandbox but gather your thought before hand because it can get rough and mom's not here to put a bandaid on the wound.

To tell the truth, I probably would have eliminated the second part of my reply (the part about not caring how healthy something was) if we weren't already four pages in with increasing levels of advice about how misguided the question was. That's on me.

However, there WERE four pages of advice - if you are new to a site and aren't really experienced, it's probably a good idea to get a feel for some of the other responses before jumping in.

Additionally, you can't say that losing 15 pounds is "probably not healthy" and then defend yourself by saying that you are new and don't know what is healthy or not in the same thread. It just looks stupid. Especially since MFP provides warnings when you attempt to lose more than 2 pounds a week and if you enter fewer than 1200 calories a day. If you are going to lose weight, and especially if you are going to provide advice to others, it behooves you to find out how to do it safely.

I have given incorrect information on MFP in the past. When I've been told (bluntly) that it is incorrect, I try to verify it and acknowledge my mistake.

Once again, I apologize for the shortness of my response to this particular poster. However, I hope she chooses to learn from the exchange (and doesn't post another bully thread).

I agree with you. I'm not sure if my reply showed it but I was directing towards Trishylocks.