i dont understand what a "dirty eater" is...??

If you saw my mustache after ribs and/or wings, you'd totally understand.

Some people omit fats, others sugars, some carbs, etc, etc. Some go whole hog and just keep omitting till they are eating gum and tic tacs.

Tic Tacs have refined sugar or artificial sweetener. So, just gum then?

Seriously, there is no such thing as a dirty food unless you forget to wash it. The second you label a food and demonize it you are begging for issues with your food. I am not a "dirty" eater or a "clean" eater. I am a food eater. Hence, the need to lose weight.

Some people omit fats, others sugars, some carbs, etc, etc. Some go whole hog and just keep omitting till they are eating gum and tic tacs.

Tic Tacs have refined sugar or artificial sweetener. So, just gum then?

Seriously, there is no such thing as a dirty food unless you forget to wash it. The second you label a food and demonize it you are begging for issues with your food. I am not a "dirty" eater or a "clean" eater. I am a food eater. Hence, the need to lose weight.

I'm not advocating omitting anything. But if you think eating 3 slices of cake a day and making that a 1200 calorie diet is going to do your body any favors whatsoever then you are living in lala land.

Some people omit fats, others sugars, some carbs, etc, etc. Some go whole hog and just keep omitting till they are eating gum and tic tacs.

Tic Tacs have refined sugar or artificial sweetener. So, just gum then?

Seriously, there is no such thing as a dirty food unless you forget to wash it. The second you label a food and demonize it you are begging for issues with your food. I am not a "dirty" eater or a "clean" eater. I am a food eater. Hence, the need to lose weight.

I'm not advocating omitting anything. But if you think eating 3 slices of cake a day and making that a 1200 calorie diet is going to do your body any favors whatsoever then you are living in lala land.

Well, now that's just a lack of common sense......stupid eating perhaps.

It is definitely easier to lose weight not eating cake. However, that does not make cake a "dirty" food. It's just food.

no real value that cause you to simply crave more

How do you define the 'value' of a food?
Nice food makes me simple crave more of it .

The Dirt on Clean Eating by Alan Agaron

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

I just got a chance to read this article. This one paragraph explains the dangers of labeling foods as "dirty" very well. Eating disorders go well beyond the most famous (anorexia nervosa and bulimia). Orthorexia nervosa is an increasing problem and is commonly seen in people who put a great deal of focus on eating. From casual observation and no science to back that observation up, it seems to me that a lot of "ethical" vegans have orthorexia nervosa, since they define their values by their food.

All-or-Nothing Dieting & Eating Disorder Risk

In 1997, a general physician named Steven Bratman coined the term orthorexia nervosa [21], which he defines as, “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.” It reminds me of the counterproductive dietary perfectionism I’ve seen among many athletes, trainers, and coaches. One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food. This isn’t just an empty claim; it’s been seen in research. Smith and colleagues found that flexible dieting was associated with the absence of overeating, lower bodyweight, and the absence of depression and anxiety [22]. They also found that a strict all-or-nothing approach to dieting was associated with overeating and increased bodyweight. Similarly, Stewart and colleagues found that rigid dieting was associated with symptoms of an eating disorder, mood disturbances, and anxiety [23]. Flexible dieting was not highly correlated with these qualities. Although these are observational study designs with self-reported data, anyone who spends enough time among fitness buffs knows that these findings are not off the mark.

The Dirt on Clean Eating by Alan Agaron

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

I just got a chance to read this article. This one paragraph explains the dangers of labeling foods as "dirty" very well. Eating disorders go well beyond the most famous (anorexia nervosa and bulimia). Orthorexia nervosa is an increasing problem and is commonly seen in people who put a great deal of focus on eating. From casual observation and no science to back that observation up, it seems to me that a lot of "ethical" vegans have orthorexia nervosa, since they define their values by their food.

All-or-Nothing Dieting & Eating Disorder Risk

In 1997, a general physician named Steven Bratman coined the term orthorexia nervosa [21], which he defines as, “an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy food.” It reminds me of the counterproductive dietary perfectionism I’ve seen among many athletes, trainers, and coaches. One of the fundamental pitfalls of dichotomizing foods as good or bad, or clean or dirty, is that it can form a destructive relationship with food. This isn’t just an empty claim; it’s been seen in research. Smith and colleagues found that flexible dieting was associated with the absence of overeating, lower bodyweight, and the absence of depression and anxiety [22]. They also found that a strict all-or-nothing approach to dieting was associated with overeating and increased bodyweight. Similarly, Stewart and colleagues found that rigid dieting was associated with symptoms of an eating disorder, mood disturbances, and anxiety [23]. Flexible dieting was not highly correlated with these qualities. Although these are observational study designs with self-reported data, anyone who spends enough time among fitness buffs knows that these findings are not off the mark.

Yeah after I lost like 20lb's I was always looking for ways to lose faster scouring websites and eating what can only really be called rabbit food. Thankfully my mate woke me up and told me I was getting obsessed. Now I am quite careful not to read too much into my food. So some days my macro balance is off .. so what? So sometimes I eat chocolate or cake so what? But I can certainly see how people get trapped into this obsession with "healthy" eating. As if eating one unhealthy thing is going to befoul their temple of a body lol.

It doesn't help that the internet is literally FULL of unscientific hokey and downright unnecessary diet plans. Based on flimsy science which ... while it might have some small amount of backing. Basically advocates self torture for a diet that is like 0.3% healthier.

The fundamental truth is that doing anything eating, exercising, living places strain on our bodies and organs. Eventually even the cleanest diet will result in organ damage. Human's aren't built to last forever. You would think people would have learned that by now. All we can do is take the most practical steps to minimize the damage and enjoy the ride

I suppose I can see why people object to calling such food dirty with that in mind. It flicks the wrong kind of psychological switches. Perhaps naughty food would be better? Something fun but not to be over indulged in hehe.

She's a dirty eater

She has no chest!

So you see this girl walking down the street eating ice cream like this and all you have to say is “She has no chest!” That is the furthest thought in my mind! Furthermore, upon further examination she appears to be well enough off in that department.

Just saying.

She's a dirty eater

She has no chest!

So you see this girl walking down the street eating ice cream like this and all you have to say is “She has no chest!” That is the furthest thought in my mind! Furthermore, upon further examination she appears to be well enough off in that department.

Just saying.

You took the thoughts right out of my head!

I'm a buxom heterosexual woman . . . she does nothing for me. (She has no chest)

Yeah after I lost like 20lb's I was always looking for ways to lose faster scouring websites and eating what can only really be called rabbit food. Thankfully my mate woke me up and told me I was getting obsessed. Now I am quite careful not to read too much into my food. So some days my macro balance is off .. so what? So sometimes I eat chocolate or cake so what? But I can certainly see how people get trapped into this obsession with "healthy" eating. As if eating one unhealthy thing is going to befoul their temple of a body lol.

It doesn't help that the internet is literally FULL of unscientific hokey and downright unnecessary diet plans. Based on flimsy science which ... while it might have some small amount of backing. Basically advocates self torture for a diet that is like 0.3% healthier.

The fundamental truth is that doing anything eating, exercising, living places strain on our bodies and organs. Eventually even the cleanest diet will result in organ damage. Human's aren't built to last forever. You would think people would have learned that by now. All we can do is take the most practical steps to minimize the damage and enjoy the ride

I suppose I can see why people object to calling such food dirty with that in mind. It flicks the wrong kind of psychological switches. Perhaps naughty food would be better? Something fun but not to be over indulged in hehe.

I agree completely with what you say. And yes, I'd much rather the term "naughty" food! It implies something a little bit fun that you shouldn't get caught at, with none of the shaming aspects of the term "dirty." Great conversation, by the way!

Edited to fix code.

Aye to you too mate It's rare to find someone on teh interwebs who can have a discussion without it turning into some kind of competition.

She's a dirty eater

She has no chest!

So you see this girl walking down the street eating ice cream like this and all you have to say is “She has no chest!” That is the furthest thought in my mind! Furthermore, upon further examination she appears to be well enough off in that department.

Just saying.

You took the thoughts right out of my head!

I'm a buxom heterosexual woman . . . she does nothing for me. (She has no chest)

I'm a non-buxom heterosexual woman, and she really does nothing for me, either, but MFP has taught me to appreciate these things.

See, I don't think there's anything to appreciate. Okay, she's thin and she's eating ice cream. I just don't think she's "sexy." I don't get glamorizing her behavior. Sorry. Entirely serious here.

See, I don't think there's anything to appreciate. Okay, she's thin and she's eating ice cream. I just don't think she's "sexy." I don't get glamorizing her behavior. Sorry. Entirely serious here.

That's a shame.

Nope, not a shame at all. It's the way I am and what I believe. Don't like it? *shrugs* I don't know you and it matters not one whit to me. I just prefer to see women who have respect for themselves.

ETA: And when did this thread become a referendum on me? The whole "chest" thing was said in jest, but all of a sudden I'm under attack for not finding anything else to "appreciate?" Go ahead. Appreciate the thing for whatever reason you find the vid appealing and stop worrying about me.

See, I don't think there's anything to appreciate. Okay, she's thin and she's eating ice cream. I just don't think she's "sexy." I don't get glamorizing her behavior. Sorry. Entirely serious here.

That's a shame.

Nope, not a shame at all. It's the way I am and what I believe. Don't like it? *shrugs* I don't know you and it matters not one whit to me. I just prefer to see women who have respect for themselves.

So..... an actress playing a part in a movie where the character tries to grab a man's attention by eating ice cream in a seductive manner has no respect for themselves.

Got it.

Because you posted before I edited my post:

ETA: And when did this thread become a referendum on me? The whole "chest" thing was said in jest, but all of a sudden I'm under attack for not finding anything else to "appreciate?" Go ahead. Appreciate the thing for whatever reason you find the vid appealing and stop worrying about me.

So . . . I say to you . . . whatever. Please just stop, okay? I'd hate to have to report you (no I wouldn't).