Cows milk vs almond milk

There is no propaganda about cow's milk. No animal other than humans consume milk after infancy.

what about cats? growing up on a farm, we gave cow's milk to our barn cats every night. they loved it.

okay, not the point of the post.

I raise one meat pig each year. I feed them goats milk (from a neighbor's dairy goats). Prior to butchering, they are in excellent health and LOVE when it's milk time.

Best pork, hands down.

I'd guess adult pigs are lactose intolerant as well. That said lactose intolerance isn't exactly fatal if you injest lactose, at worst it makes you a bit gassy really. Just because an animal will drink milk doesn't mean that it can digest lactose.

You can extend the period that an animal creates lactase if there's never a cessation of lactose intake. Also, you butcher most meat hogs long before they reach full maturity.

There is no propaganda about cow's milk. No animal other than humans consume milk after infancy.

what about cats? growing up on a farm, we gave cow's milk to our barn cats every night. they loved it.

okay, not the point of the post.

I raise one meat pig each year. I feed them goats milk (from a neighbor's dairy goats). Prior to butchering, they are in excellent health and LOVE when it's milk time.

Best pork, hands down.

I'd guess adult pigs are lactose intolerant as well. That said lactose intolerance isn't exactly fatal if you injest lactose, at worst it makes you a bit gassy really. Just because an animal will drink milk doesn't mean that it can digest lactose.

true, a lot of those cats did die.

lol. Sorry, I love cats too so I have no idea why that made me laugh out loud but it did.

Humans weren't ment to consume dairy after a certain age or from another animal. So cutting it out will solve some other issues you probably didn't notice before (like skin issues or digestive issues). So I would stick with almond milk, or any other options like coconut and rice

Exactly! Thank you!

When you say "meant" who exactly is doing the intending in this scenario? What do you mean that we aren't "meant" to drink something? Do you mean that our bodies did not evolve to digest milk? Well in the case of the lactose tolerant that is not true is it.

"meant" is just a wierd word to use in this context, as if there is intent where there is none.

I go with almond or soy milk now, because I have started reading 801010 and it made a great point.

Humans are the only animals in nature who will, on their own, seek out the milk of another animal to drink, which is true. Other people have made posts about how they fed cows milk to cats, or goats milk to pigs; but in nature that wouldn't happen. A cat wouldn't go and suckle a cow, and a pig wouldn't suckle a goat. We are the only species that chose to do so.
Other species know that the best milk they can receive is from their mothers, as it is designed to provide them with all the nutrients that they need; hence the benefits of breast feeding a child until a certain stage in development.

Why?
Why would we willingly seek out something designed by animals to feed their young?

Why? Because adult mammals are lactose intolerant unlike the majority of humans who have developed a mutation that allows the continued production of the enzyme lactase into adulthood.

Does that answer your question?

While you are contemplating that enjoy this picture of kittens suckling from a dog.



Or this pig suckling a dog



I don't know what gave you the impression that one animal would NEVER suckle from another animal, apparently a blog article.

There are entire internet forums devoted to people trying to figure out how to get their kittens to stop suckling from their dog lol.

I go with almond or soy milk now, because I have started reading 801010 and it made a great point.

Humans are the only animals in nature who will, on their own, seek out the milk of another animal to drink, which is true. Other people have made posts about how they fed cows milk to cats, or goats milk to pigs; but in nature that wouldn't happen. A cat wouldn't go and suckle a cow, and a pig wouldn't suckle a goat. We are the only species that choose to do so.
Other species know that the best milk they can receive is from their mothers, as it is designed to provide them with all the nutrients that they need; hence the benefits of breast feeding a child until a certain stage in development.

Why?
Why would we willingly seek out something designed by animals to feed their young?

Why would you eat something designed by animals to move it from one place to another (muscles/meat).

we weren't "meant" to eat fresh fruits and vegetables that are native to different continents and ripe in different seasons in the same meals either....

we weren't "meant" to eat fresh fruits and vegetables that are native to different continents and ripe in different seasons in the same meals either....

In the same logic I don't think we were "meant" to use machinery to press almonds into milk either.

I do have a question for the "dairy industry is evil" crowd. Why do you assume that all milk production facilities are the same and we, as consumers, don't have control of our milk supply?

Yeah, this drives me crazy too. People who eat dairy also may have thought about these issues and come to a way of dealing with them that we think is ethical based on our evaluation of the evidence. I don't assume that other people have failed to do that, so I don't understand why others would assume that, with no information.

Cows milk actually increases the risk of developing osteoporosis.

Studies show that foods originating from animal sources make the blood acidic. When this occurs, the blood leeches calcium from the bones to increase alkalinity. While this works wonders for the pH balance of your blood, it sets your bones up for osteoporosis because your bones are depleted of calcium during the process.

Which study? How would milk, a pH neutral liquid, make your blood (a pH buffered solution) more acidic?

I tried to find where this got started and apparently some blog that wanted it to be true plastered it all over the Internet in the mid 2000's. I feel like I'm hunting Bigfoot trying to find any mention (other than a review totally debunking the "acid ash" hypothesis) of it in mainstream peer reviewed literature.

I'm curious as to why the original poster thought this was at all plausible.

Seriously, how does a pH neutral solution passed through your stomach acid result in modification of your bloods pH despite the fact that it is heavily buffered?

Pretty sure you can drink a bottle of straight-up lemon juice and not alter your bloods pH so what would possibly make you think milk would?

"Cows milk actually increases the risk of developing osteoporosis. So I'd go with almond or coconut milk instead.

Studies show that foods originating from animal sources make the blood acidic. When this occurs, the blood leeches calcium from the bones to increase alkalinity. While this works wonders for the pH balance of your blood, it sets your bones up for osteoporosis because your bones are depleted of calcium during the process.

From: http://www.osteopenia3.com/Milk-Osteoporosis.html

First, there is genetic inheritance. Every study related to body shape concludes the body type greatly affects the rate at which people develop Osteopenia and Osteoporosis. People of Mexico and Polynesia tend to be short and heavy boned while the United States and Sweden have many people born with long, thin bones. Inheritated body type should be included in any cross cultural statements about Osteoporosis.

Second,there is a geographical factor that those making these claims about Milk and Osteoporosis seem to ignore. Mexico and Polynesia are near the equator and so inhabitants are exposed to more sunlight inducing Vitamin D. Much of the United States and Sweden are above the 41st parallel and studies show that inhabitants do not get sufficient sun exposure during late Fall and winter for optimal Vitamin D production.

Third, there is a difference in life style that affects bone making. People in Mexico and Polynesia have been far less sedentary than those in the United States and Sweden. Not only do they walk more but many are employed in very physical jobs and their recreation is different. In Mexico, for example, Sunday aftenoons are likely to be filled with playing soccer or family walks outdoors rather than watching sports on T.V.

Also, it is not just a non-dairy diet typifies Mexico and Polynesia. Residents eat more fuits and vegetables, less soda pop and far less highly processed foods. So a scientific argument drawing comparisons between cultures needs to consider ALL relevant factors and not just pull one characterisitic and then claim it explains everything.

As for the acid/base arguement. There is much to support the notion that a highly acidic diet is a cause of bone loss. But milk is not just protein. It has carbohydrates and fats too. Also, most people do not just drink milk. Eating a peice of fruit with a glass of milk or drinking milk with a meal that includes fruit or salad, more than takes care of evening out the base/acid ratio. There is probably more damage done from drinking soda pop with its high phosophorous and caffeine content than could ever be done from a glass of milk.

And finally, there are a number of studies of adolescence that show that those who drink milk, tend to have greater bone density than those who do not. So, it appears that the recent rash of "milk causes of Osteoporosis" claims are very short on accurate scientific reasoning. I, for one, shall continue to eat yogurt, cheese, milk and other dairy products as a way to ensure I have enough calcium in my diet."

I go with almond or soy milk now, because I have started reading 801010 and it made a great point.

Humans are the only animals in nature who will, on their own, seek out the milk of another animal to drink, which is true. Other people have made posts about how they fed cows milk to cats, or goats milk to pigs; but in nature that wouldn't happen. A cat wouldn't go and suckle a cow, and a pig wouldn't suckle a goat. We are the only species that choose to do so.
Other species know that the best milk they can receive is from their mothers, as it is designed to provide them with all the nutrients that they need; hence the benefits of breast feeding a child until a certain stage in development.

Why?
Why would we willingly seek out something designed by animals to feed their young?

Why would you eat something designed by animals to move it from one place to another (muscles/meat).

I don't any more.

Oh and humans aren't carnivores based on their basic design, and which parts of other animals we eat/how we eat them.

Humans are the only animals in nature who will, on their own, seek out the milk of another animal to drink, which is true. Other people have made posts about how they fed cows milk to cats, or goats milk to pigs; but in nature that wouldn't happen. A cat wouldn't go and suckle a cow, and a pig wouldn't suckle a goat. We are the only species that choose to do so.
Other species know that the best milk they can receive is from their mothers, as it is designed to provide them with all the nutrients that they need; hence the benefits of breast feeding a child until a certain stage in development.

I don't actually understand why this is supposed to matter, in that humans do lots of things that other animals do not, but it's not true. To go back to the cat example, adult cats are lactose intolerant, if they drink milk they will (IME) vomit, but they definitely try to. I keep milk away from my cat because it's not good for him, plus I hate cleaning up cat vomit, but if I didn't he'd drink it. Sure, in nature it might be harder to find a glass of milk, but I really don't think my cat is thinking cat's milk or go home.

Plus, in one of the other threads like this people had plenty of examples of animals nursing from other species.

But those examples aren't basic nature.

Those animals are in different environments to that which they originated from. Cats and dogs living together, dogs living with pigs etc.

I'm talking basic nature, not habitats and environments designed, and controlled, by humans.

Humans weren't ment to consume dairy after a certain age or from another animal. So cutting it out will solve some other issues you probably didn't notice before (like skin issues or digestive issues). So I would stick with almond milk, or any other options like coconut and rice

Exactly! Thank you!

Humans were not meant to eat cooked food.
Humans were not meant to farm.
Humans were not meant to fly.
Humans were not meant to leave our planet.
Humans were not meant to have birth control.
Humans were not meant to take almonds and make a liquid drink from them.

And yet...

I personally feel better staying away from dairy, even though befor ei had no problem with dairy. When I eat ice cream or eat stuff made with cream, I usually end up in the bathroom pretty fast. Don't know if going away from dairy for most of the time made me more intolerant of lactose or what.

I vote for the almond or coconut milk!

Bone is made up primarily of protein and calcium. Protein foods contain amino acids which are the building blocks for bone repair and maintenance. Many studies have shown that a diet low in protein can adversely affect bone and animal protein sources do contribute to body acidity to a greater extent than plant proteins.

When protein intake is high, this causes an excess of acid production in the body; an excess protein intake is considered “acid-forming.” The body’s chemistry cannot work well unless the pH balance is maintained. This means that if something you eat is acidic or generates acidity, then your body has to neutralize the blood to keep the pH balance stable.

Calcium is used to neutralize any extra acid that is formed in the body. This specific calcium is coming out of your bones.

Okay even if this was true...which it isn't by the way...why does only animal derived milk cause this?

Isn't almond milk just as high in protein as cow milk?

Second buffers are used to neutralize acids as well as alkalines and buffers are not necessarily calcium derived, your blood is buffered by bicarbonate for example...not calcium. Honestly I wasn't even aware that calcium, a simple element, could act as a buffer.

Here is a quick lesson on chemical buffering. Note the complete lack of mention of calcium.

http://www.chemistry.wustl.edu/~edudev/LabTutorials/Buffer/Buffer.html