Your food is no cleaner than mine
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Most of all cancers feed off sugar. Want cancer? Eat up. (Only a few rare varieties feed off of one or two amino acids, vast majority of cancers feed off sugar)
I got this from a book written by an educated doctor
Yes, I also trust doctors that write books. Here's a clue: they are usually fear-mongering.
Funny how people can get cancer without eating sugar, and people can eat lots of sugar and never get cancer. Hmm...
Most doctors will tell you that getting cancer is largely genetic.0 -
Most of all cancers feed off sugar. Want cancer? Eat up. (Only a few rare varieties feed off of one or two amino acids, vast majority of cancers feed off sugar)
I got this from a book written by an educated doctor
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1267946-stop-singling-out-sugar?page=6#posts-19881860
one of many
Because so many uneducated edoctors practice medicine... (sarcasm)0 -
But I would ask from an health and nutritional point is a clean eating diet inferior to other diets? and if so why?
No it's fine. And no one is saying clean eating is bad. Just the amount of clean eaters telling people who choose to eat some candy or ice cream are doing it wrong is what is annoying. Especially when a lot of new comers get these responses of eliminating some food groups. Restrictions on a diet can help some people, but shouldn't be the first thing recommended, especially with the threat of sugar being evil.
In reality even those clean eaters adhere to a similar diet as the non clean eaters (80-20). This is why there's friction between these two groups a lot of the time.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Right? I don't think I can count the number of "Eat what you want, enjoy getting cancer" posts I have seen from clean eaters.
hey hey now too be fair some of those posts were trolling lol, of course the other half weren't0 -
I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.
Maybe I also haven't been paying attention, but most of the posts of that type I've seen have been motivated, in my opinion, by the hope that newbies trying to eat cleaner will know that (depending on their goals) they don't have to give up everything they love to eat in order to get where they want to go. I know I wouldn't be down 40 pounds today if I hadn't increased my fruits, veggies, and lean meats, but I also know I wouldn't be here at all if I'd thought I had to completely give up my peanut butter M&Ms.
I hear you, and maybe the commenters I'm referring to are coming from a place of caring about these folks, but the tone of the posts would indicate otherwise. I posted something a while back that was meant to be humorous about hiding my favorite cookies from myself (since my kids love them so I buy them), and immediately I had to defend my decision not to eat the cookies, as if I was some kind of fascist cookie-hater.0 -
I would call it eating a balanced diet. Why does it need a label?What is if I call my way of eating "The Cut Down On Processed Foods and Grains; Eat More Non-Starchy Vegetables, and Lean Protein Diet?" Is that acceptable? :happy: :laugh: :happy:
Because we label everything in life. a lot of people on these forums will be following the principles of IIFYM (label).
I eat a Low carb diet (label), or more accurately to understand what type of carbs it's a primal diet (label).
Anybody that has done any research on diets or has spent time on these forums will understand what strategy someone eats when they say I eat IIFYM, or paleo, or primal or clean or vegan or vegetarian - it keeps things simple.
We do it in all parts of our life.
Oh and by the way - balanced diet? as we all lead very different lives and have different nutritional needs - please can you explain what I would be eating on a balanced diet?0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body.
LOL :laugh:
Okay, *now* I'm in...
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So much of this is based on perception and which particular group of obnoxious people are more prevalent where people live or in their social circle. I mean, I hate the "clean eating" term (because as stated it means nothing, and because you don't need a special "clean eating" diet and recipes to just cook from mostly whole food), and I definitely know people who turn up their noses at the unclean things others eat (without necessarily using the term "dirty" or "unclean," but that's clearly what is meant). On the other hand, I shop at WF and TJ all the time (they are convenient to me and have stuff I like), as well as Jewel, and local green markets, and Costco on occasion. I'm pretty non-discriminating in where I shop. Anyway, I've never gotten the opinion that people in any of these stores care what other shoppers are buying, and it's a fact that both WF and TJ are filled to the brim with processed stuff. (Which from me is not a criticism, just not accepting them as the be-all, end-all of so-called "clean" eaters.) But I'm not saying that other people's co-shoppers aren't annoying, just because mine aren't (at least not because they sneer at what's in others' carts), just that environment makes a difference to perception.
Anyway, I liked: "dieting does not actually make you a better person," since I do think there's a definite undercurrent of "eating healthy makes me a better person" that is common, at least in my particular environment. For some it's not about dieting--they were never fat and in some cases tend to think getting fat is a moral failing, mostly suffered by those of political views they hold in low esteem--but for others it happens around the minute they start dieting, and they may lump their old self in with the disgusting masses. I try to avoid this, but I kind of understand why it happens--it's a lot easier to comply with restrictions if you put a positive spin on it and feel that you are doing something virtuous vs. just not doing something fun (and not eating stuff you used to, or even eating a lot less of stuff you used to is a restriction, no matter how much everyone tries to avoid that term, and no matter if it's a relatively easy one). It's also why it can be easier to comply with any other food restrictions done for positive reasons that make people feel virtuous, whether religious ones or, of course, vegetarian ones.
None of this is meant to refer to the also positive reaction which I think is common, which is feeling good from eating a better diet and perceiving the good feeling (and health generally) as a positive reaction to keep eating better, without being a purist about it or reacting with disgust to food that others eat.0 -
But I would ask from an health and nutritional point is a clean eating diet inferior to other diets? and if so why?
No it's fine. And no one is saying clean eating is bad. Just the amount of clean eaters telling people who choose to eat some candy or ice cream are doing it wrong is what is annoying. Especially when a lot of new comers get these responses of eliminating some food groups. Restrictions on a diet can help some people, but shouldn't be the first thing recommended, especially with the threat of sugar being evil.
In reality even those clean eaters adhere to a similar diet as the non clean eaters (80-20). This is why there's friction between these two groups a lot of the time.
Based on the fact that a majority of members on MFP are calorie counting and eating in moderation or IIFYM, I'm not sure how the first message newbies get is anything other than the MFP official guidelines.0 -
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I would call it eating a balanced diet. Why does it need a label?What is if I call my way of eating "The Cut Down On Processed Foods and Grains; Eat More Non-Starchy Vegetables, and Lean Protein Diet?" Is that acceptable? :happy: :laugh: :happy:
I don't have a diet.
I just eat.
Exactly!
But, in my everyday life, when people ask me how I lost all my weight I tell them that I lost the weight with Weight Watchers and I keep it off by eating clean. The person nods in an understanding way and we go on with our day. But if I say that here, I will get the WW mockers and haters (OMG - why pay for WW when MFP is free!) and the Clean Eater Debaters (But what do you "mean" by clean eating??).
I don't understand why this topic gets debated so much. I eat. You eat. The common goal is health and fitness (and looking good in the process is a bonus!), how we get to that point is as different as a fingerprint....0 -
My very favorite "clean eater" post ever was earlier this week. The guy was complaining about how the dessert he had at Chili's was 1,500 calories and that he believed in eating, "whole, unprocessed" foods.
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Oh and by the way - balanced diet? as we all lead very different lives and have different nutritional needs - please can you explain what I would be eating on a balanced diet?
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Oh and by the way - balanced diet? as we all lead very different lives and have different nutritional needs - please can you explain what I would be eating on a balanced diet?
*sigh*
Thanks very thoughtful and accurate response. That was pretty much my response to balanced diet
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You should meet my brother
Every time he starts a new eating style, he immediately forgets that he was all for the style before and every thing else become "crap, foolish, nonsense".
A tease him a lot but only for the reason above... last time he explained me that the whole calorie business is crap, foolish, nonsense, there is not such a thing as a calorie, and that we have to eat Paleo, that is, in his world, to eat what our ancestor ate. Because our stomach are made to eat only those things and so on and so on.
(please note that I'm not against Paleo, I'm just pro teasing my brother LOL)
He was telling me that while drinking rice milk.
i asked him if our ancestors drank rice milk, and it it is so important to eat what they ate, why he wasn't out chasing zebras instead of beef that were bred during the millennia.
He got SO angry! Hahahahah!!!
Again: nothing against Paleo, it's just that my brother is SO extreme in all that he does... for a few months 0 -
When anyone tells me about their clean eating or Paleo diet or Primal etc etc... I just wonder what fad they're going to try next.
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I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.
Maybe I also haven't been paying attention, but most of the posts of that type I've seen have been motivated, in my opinion, by the hope that newbies trying to eat cleaner will know that (depending on their goals) they don't have to give up everything they love to eat in order to get where they want to go. I know I wouldn't be down 40 pounds today if I hadn't increased my fruits, veggies, and lean meats, but I also know I wouldn't be here at all if I'd thought I had to completely give up my peanut butter M&Ms.
I hear you, and maybe the commenters I'm referring to are coming from a place of caring about these folks, but the tone of the posts would indicate otherwise. I posted something a while back that was meant to be humorous about hiding my favorite cookies from myself (since my kids love them so I buy them), and immediately I had to defend my decision not to eat the cookies, as if I was some kind of fascist cookie-hater.
Yes, I shouldn't claim to know the motivation behind some of the "tough love" I see on the forums, but I am a Pollyanna and hope for the best. You Cookie Nazi. :laugh: I hide food too, but I have to hide my peanut butter M&Ms or the kids will eat them up. And they are MY treat!0 -
So I wonder, is there a label that won't get everyone worked up? If I choose to eat mostly whole foods, and try to minimize the amount of processed foods I eat, is there a term I can use to describe my diet without pissing everyone off? And what if I don't do it 100% of the time, but just try to adhere to it as a lifestyle choice? Can I still use this label (yet to be coined) to describe my preferred way of eating? Why don't the oracles on this thread come up with one, and then we can all go on our merry way.0
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I love it when people get there knickers in a twist about what things are called!
Can't question the healthiness of a diet so I will piss and whine that it's called the wrong thing!
I know these things make you guys mad - but seriously!
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Based on the fact that a majority of members on MFP are calorie counting and eating in moderation or IIFYM, I'm not sure how the first message newbies get is anything other than the MFP official guidelines.
True, because it's widely accepted by most people here. But there's plenty of misinformation and bad advice being thrown around here. It does get shut down quickly by a lot of people though :drinker:0 -
When anyone tells me about their clean eating or Paleo diet or Primal etc etc... I just wonder what fad they're going to try next.
This reminds of the South Park episode that had the "cooling mist". :laugh:0 -
You're in Austin; this doesn't surprise me in the least. Instead of "keep Austin weird" the shirts should say "keep Austin pretentious and full of *kitten*"...The following comment does not apply to all "clean" eaters...but some of them...
I hate shopping in the same store with some of them...they are obnoxious! rude! judgmental!
I avoid Whole Foods...not only the prices but the shoppers.
Trader Joes can be almost as bad but the prices are reasonable.
I shop now at my neighborhood Sprouts (though I have been in some of them where it is almost as bad). For some reason this one is different...no rude...obnoxious...judgmental people.
A couple of months ago I stopped in a Whole Foods to pick up this bread that I wanted to try...it was packed with some of the rudest people that I have ever seen...each one of them with the attitude that they were the most important shopper in the store.
Okay...that is my rant and rave...I don't care how someone chooses to eat as long as they keep their attitudes to themselves.
Oh...one last rant...
They turn their noses up at processed food...all the while they are eating their processed Greek yogurt...(don't get me wrong...I eat Greek yogurt...love the caramel macchiato that Dannons puts out...just finished one).
I never have understood the need to label foods or diets. Can't we just eat the foods we enjoy whether they are mostly whole foods or not? Even the people who scream to defend ice cream and fast food still eat a majority of whole foods, everyone just assumes they eat "junk" constantly because they defend eating it on the forums.
The best part, the people who eat "clean" 80% of the time have a food diary that looks remarkably like an IIFYM food diary...
I laugh every time that I see "Keep Austin Weird". I lived in Seattle before relocating here...before that DC. Austin doesn't hold a candle to the weirdness of either on of those cities...each in their own way!
Pretentiousness can be found in all groups of people...everywhere you go. I found DC however a little bit pretentious for me and my style. I loved Seattle though...I found that most people just didn't really care.
I don't like labels either...I have no need for one...not even sure what mine would be if I wanted one.
Before I started posting here I frequented a site that covered all ranges of conversation...one was a religious thread and it was mostly...do as I say not what I do...yeah right! I was a bit surprised when I started using the forums on MFP to find that different ways of eating can be just as surly and vicious as different belief systems.0 -
I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.
Maybe I also haven't been paying attention, but most of the posts of that type I've seen have been motivated, in my opinion, by the hope that newbies trying to eat cleaner will know that (depending on their goals) they don't have to give up everything they love to eat in order to get where they want to go. I know I wouldn't be down 40 pounds today if I hadn't increased my fruits, veggies, and lean meats, but I also know I wouldn't be here at all if I'd thought I had to completely give up my peanut butter M&Ms.
I hear you, and maybe the commenters I'm referring to are coming from a place of caring about these folks, but the tone of the posts would indicate otherwise. I posted something a while back that was meant to be humorous about hiding my favorite cookies from myself (since my kids love them so I buy them), and immediately I had to defend my decision not to eat the cookies, as if I was some kind of fascist cookie-hater.
Why do you hate cookies?0 -
I also read this article, and I liked it, however I'm not sure that when people say they're eating "clean," they mean they're eating the-opposite-of-dirty. I think it just sounds nice when you say it since it kind of rhymes and it easier than saying "I'm eating non-processed, organic, natural foods" because that's a mouthful. I've never thought that someone saying they eat clean means they think that I eat dirty.0
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I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.
Maybe I also haven't been paying attention, but most of the posts of that type I've seen have been motivated, in my opinion, by the hope that newbies trying to eat cleaner will know that (depending on their goals) they don't have to give up everything they love to eat in order to get where they want to go. I know I wouldn't be down 40 pounds today if I hadn't increased my fruits, veggies, and lean meats, but I also know I wouldn't be here at all if I'd thought I had to completely give up my peanut butter M&Ms.
I hear you, and maybe the commenters I'm referring to are coming from a place of caring about these folks, but the tone of the posts would indicate otherwise. I posted something a while back that was meant to be humorous about hiding my favorite cookies from myself (since my kids love them so I buy them), and immediately I had to defend my decision not to eat the cookies, as if I was some kind of fascist cookie-hater.
Why do you hate cookies?
I see what you did there. :drinker:0 -
I think that sometimes any of us may be a little too touchy.
Sometimes, other people don't mean anything bad about us, and still we feel insulted.
This is a thing that's completely uncorrelated with dieting and food. It's just a thing that I noticed a lot... people that get offended by remarks (not mine) that I find completely harmless.
Also, I notice that if I fear for whatever reason to be judged, I usually end feeling that someone judged me... while if I'm completely confident in what I'm doing... that won't happen.0 -
Where's the "like" button...?0
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The biggest issue I tend to have with the 'clean eating' threads is one touched on in the OP: Ask 10 clean eaters what it means to eat clean, and you can reasonably expect 4 or more different answers. From my perspective, that makes the concept less than helpful for folks trying to get their diet and exercise under control.But I would ask from an health and nutritional point is a clean eating diet inferior to other diets? and if so why?
No it's fine. And no one is saying clean eating is bad. Just the amount of clean eaters telling people who choose to eat some candy or ice cream are doing it wrong is what is annoying. Especially when a lot of new comers get these responses of eliminating some food groups. Restrictions on a diet can help some people, but shouldn't be the first thing recommended, especially with the threat of sugar being evil.
In reality even those clean eaters adhere to a similar diet as the non clean eaters (80-20). This is why there's friction between these two groups a lot of the time.
It would frustrate me just as much if vegetarians started including random amounts of specific animal proteins in their diets while still calling themselves 'vegetarian.' "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat real pork bacon, because I think that's okay and ethically different than other meat." Yeah, no.0 -
I came here to make a change, try new things - I believe any attempt at something different and in any way healthy should be rewarded with positivity, this is a scary, lonely journey for many of us.
I basically agree with this. What I see that I don't agree with are people who make a 180 from eating nothing but fast food, heat and go meals, delivery, sweets, etc. to "clean eating," as if that were some kind of special diet, and who then sneer at other foods--ooh, ick, Doritos. While I think there's some psychological benefit that is achieved in some cases--you are teaching yourself to crave foods more for their health benefits and maybe opening your mind to more subtle pleasures from food by downplaying some of the more over the top ones--I also think it's not healthy in the long term to demonize foods, because then you get people saying stuff like "oh, I'm being naughty and having a piece of pie!" That's weird--it reminds me of my mom telling my sister and I not to tell our dad that she'd had a snack while we were our shopping--and it really bothers me whenever I hear women say stuff like that (which is all the time).0
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