Bread ... What is a healthier substitute?
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sandwich or bagel thins are a great choice. I like to toast mine before I pack my lunch. There is also 40 calorie bread. One way to cut back is to choose a couple days to not eat bread. And just keep increasing the number of non bread days0
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Have you ever had PF Chang's lettuce wraps? :bigsmile: I've used lettuce leaves before, but I do love bread, so if I want it, I make it fit. Maybe try Ezekiel Bread instead. Its a bit lower in calories and I stay full longer eating it.I wrap my normal sandwich stuff in a big lettuce leaf. Works for tacos, burgers, sandwiches, etc.
Please stop with the silliness, that is not an adequate substitute
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Personally I like the animated ones more. They drive the point home a bit better don't you think? :bigsmile:0 -
the vast majority of breads passing themselves off as whole grain are actually ****e in the grocery store. You have to be very careful and read the ingredients for what is really there.One slice of real bread fills you up, toast does not.
?? Why would toasting bread make it less filling? :huh:
Because the little elves in the toaster eat half of it while they're making it nice and golden for you...
I imagine they were referring to the candyfloss consistency product which passes itself off as sandwich bread in the US.
Oh, weird. It's not like whole grain breads aren't available in the US too. Or that people don't eat it toasted.
but we do have some quality breads. it varies depending on what part of the country you're in but they are there. IMHO a quality bread should have at least five grams of fiber a slice0 -
(Not sure if anyone's said this because I was too lazy to look through all of them) I like to use rice cakes. Lightly salted ones are usually about 40 calories, and they are really filling. Sometimes I'll put things like cheese and vegan ham on them, but usually I eat them plain.0
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I am limiting my bread intake, because I love it WAY to much. Use the lettuce wrap like recommended by others. I also put salad , fresh fruit and vegies, plain Yoghurt and cottage cheese in my "Lunchbox"!0
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Bread isn't the enemy. Instead, it's overall portion control. Put the portion control in check and you'll be good to go. You might concentrate on Rye and Whole Wheat instead of white though. White bread has got no nutritional value.
Nonsense.0 -
I make chick pea crepes and egg crepes for wraps. I make a quinoa crust for quiche. I make a pizza crust from summer squash. You can use buckwheat pancakes like bread.
I find it funny that no one tells heavy smokers and heavy drinkers to portion control. When I replaced my trigger foods, like bread, I gained control of my eating. I never ate crappy white bread only high quality multigrain fresh baked batards. Didn't matter, I would eat the whole loaf with a 1/2 lb of cultured butter. Bread is wonderful, as is chocolate, fine tobacco and fine wine and liquor. I just am better off not touching the bread.0 -
Personally I eat a Flatout every other day, or once a day if I cut it in half. Sucker's huge.0
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No one has suggested Krispy Kreme donuts yet?
IN FOR THE WIN!
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No one has suggested Krispy Kreme donuts yet?
IN FOR THE WIN!
Oh. My. Word.
I like me some good bread but don't like it enough for what the calorie damage causes. Soup, veggie/protein dishes (a la chicken breast and some veg), salads with protein tossed in (chicken or tuna) are my go-tos if I am trying to mind calories as best as I can. I actually really enjoy all those things too, so basically anything you like as much as bread, that is not, in fact, bread. I also like the Wasa flatbreads with my cheese, more fiber/nutrients/less cals than a slice of white bread and I prefer the taste/texture to sandwich bread as well.0 -
What? Oh, sorry.,..0 -
I find it funny that no one tells heavy smokers and heavy drinkers to portion control. When I replaced my trigger foods, like bread, I gained control of my eating. I never ate crappy white bread only high quality multigrain fresh baked batards. Didn't matter, I would eat the whole loaf with a 1/2 lb of cultured butter. Bread is wonderful, as is chocolate, fine tobacco and fine wine and liquor. I just am better off not touching the bread.
Why are so many people responding as if the OP had said she wanted to quit bread? She said she eats more than she likes and would like to cut down, so wants ideas for alternatives or other kinds of lunches. That actually sounds like moderation to me.0 -
Ahhhhh so this is the thread that started it all0
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I use P28 bread with P28 Almond Spread0
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Bread is perfectly healthy. Don't sweat it.
I guess you could wrap your sandwhiches in lettuce leaves or something.0 -
I guess you could wrap your sandwhiches in lettuce leaves or something.
Bravo! Strong, STRONG post. So glad we have someone here with your wealth of knowledge!
(^^THIS is called snark, ladies and gentleman. :flowerforyou: )0 -
One slice of real bread fills you up, toast does not.
?? Why would toasting bread make it less filling? :huh:
Because the little elves in the toaster eat half of it while they're making it nice and golden for you...
I imagine they were referring to the candyfloss consistency product which passes itself off as sandwich bread in the US.
Oh, weird. It's not like whole grain breads aren't available in the US too. Or that people don't eat it toasted.
Certainly lots of other (good) bread exists. Even in when it comes to pre-sliced there are better options available. But if you look at what is selling in huge quantities... it's the white sandwich bread. That is what most people in the US are consuming.
My Daddy used to say the only thing that stuff (white 'sandwich' bread) was good for was making 'dough balls' we used for trout fishing!!0 -
give up bread? aww nawww lol just calm down on the bread is all. Some people substitute spaghetti for spaghetti squash but I found it taste nasty lol Bread is bread that's all0
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I wrap my normal sandwich stuff in a big lettuce leaf. Works for tacos, burgers, sandwiches, etc.
Please stop with the silliness, that is not an adequate substitute
Wait. Why is it silly for you? He is eating it and it's going in his body.
Apparently its working for him and it seems he is enjoying.
Please explain how is it silly for you.
A lot of people who are afraid of vegetables like to claim that "moderation" means eating tiny portions of the "good" stuff and apparently nothing else, no matter how hungry you are. Heaven forbid someone use a lettuce leaf or add vegetables to a stir-fry or pasta.
I'm huge on moderation and "making it fit", I just can't understand why "making it fit" doesn't ever incluce swapping in an egg white or a vegetable. Someone already went off on cauliflower.
So, so, so many times this. Every time I see one of these threads and I see all the "ew!! never substitute XYZ!! it will never be as good!!" responses, I see red.
Sometimes, I plan out my day, and I say to myself "self, with this plan, you're over your calories by 200 and your carbs by about 40. we need to cut something out. what shall we do?" Obvious answer is obvious: remove the bread from my lunchtime sandwich (or re-tool my lunch entirely) and replace it with something else.
Creating MODERATION means that sometimes you cut things out and sometimes you don't, and yet so many people seem to gloss over the first part of that statement. Yes, bread is magical and delicious. No, lettuce is rarely better than bread. But if I ate exactly what I wanted 100% of the time then my weight would still be on the way up rather than the way down. Moderation means continuing to eat some things that you love and, in order to make that happen, removing some of the things you love (not forever, no, but here and there - balance it out). Maybe today I don't have bread with my sandwich so I can have ice cream for dessert. Maybe tomorrow I have that bread, and I skip dessert that day. Asking for ideas for a different way to eat a sandwich that doesn't involve bread is totally reasonable, as long as the person isn't intending to NEVER EVER eat bread again.
With that said, my idea is to take all your sandwich insides and chop them into a salad instead :happy: .
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No one's saying you get to eat exactly what you want all of the time. And moderation says you don't have to remove any of the things you love to eat (you can if you want). But you don't necessarily get to eat as much of it as you would like.
The point those of us who think this way are trying to make is don't make a sub-standard meal with some substitution that ruins the 'essence' of the meal. Doing that won't satisfy your taste for the meal you wanted anyway - so why do it? Just eat something else that is good and tasty, or eat less of the real thing.
Obviously, if making a substitution doesn't ruin your enjoyment of the food, make all the substitutions you want.
Nope. "Just eat the GD bread!!!!" actually DOES suggest that one should eat exactly what they want all of the time.
The OP specifically requested substitutions, which to me suggests that she's open to finding something that doesn't decrease her enjoyment of her food to the point that it wouldn't be satisfying. Tons of people jumped on her like that was the stupidest thing they'd ever heard. Sometimes, when your calorie goal is at the lower end of the spectrum (I don't know the OP's calorie goal, this is more of a general response to that attitude), or if your plan for the day includes larger/less balanced meals elsewhere, there isn't room for even "less" bread if you want to eat enough food at that meal and/or if you want to spend your carbs elsewhere. When you're in that situation, volume is equally important to satisfaction as food choice, so moderation becomes "sometimes you get to eat it, sometimes you don't." I'm not saying people shouldn't eat bread if they want to and it fits their goals for the day. I'm just saying that looking for options when it DOESN'T fit your goals is a perfectly fine way to approach things. The automatic response shouldn't be "OMG ewwwwwwwww substitutions are gross!! don't even bother. just eat less!!!" because that's not one size fits all.
Actually, no, "Just eat the GD bread!!!!" does not imply you can whatever you want all of the time. It suggests that one should not bother looking for a bread substitute and to just find a way to eat bread. The posts you are thinking of are variations of "Just eat all the thingz!!!" and that hasn't made it in this thread yet. (Wait for it ...).
Oh, and don't talk to me about lower end of the calorie spectrum - I'm one of the shorter, sedentary, older group that knows exactly what trying to fit food in a tight calorie budget is like, though I'm not cutting now. This is exactly what moderation is all about - decide what you want and make a plan to get it or compensate after the fact. Or decide you don't want it that badly and eat something else. To make it relevant to the OP, don't substitute lettuce for bread - it isn't worth it since there really is no good substitute. Make a salad, or have soup, or have just the meat with a side of veg. Even make an open-faced sandwich. Cuts out one slice of bread, if that is what the OP wants.
It doesn't mean you necessarily get (for example) a slice of bread at every meal. It doesn't mean you get to eat a whole loaf in one sitting at any time. It means you can have SOME bread if you want to be bothered to fit it in. How much depends on your calorie budget and how much of that budget you want to allocate for it.
Frankly, everything you've posted is straight out of eating in moderation. Not sure how you've got the idea that it's anything else, or that moderation means anything different.0 -
To make it relevant to the OP, don't substitute lettuce for bread - it isn't worth it since there really is no good substitute.
And again, people assume the lettuce for bread sub is not a good sub. Personally I much prefer a tasty lettuce leaf over a crappy slice of bread. Mostly because the lettuce leaf is actually tasty and crappy bread is well, crappy. If OP finds the sub sufficient that is all that matters0 -
Have one slice of bread and fold it over to make a half sandwich. Half the calories. Half the bread.0
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OP - if you have a microwave at work try hot chicken or re-heated chilli for lunch. Salads are also a good lunch substitute.
Personally I treat bread (white in particular) like any other type of junk food, if I want it I will make it fit, but if I am watching my calorie intake it goes to the back of the list of go to foods.0 -
Have one slice of bread and fold it over to make a half sandwich. Half the calories. Half the bread.
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This is exactly what moderation is all about - decide what you want and make a plan to get it or compensate after the fact. Or decide you don't want it that badly and eat something else.
Right. So why does everyone automatically assume that this ISN'T the OP's plan to make a plan to get something else in her diet? I just find the responses that are so adamant that she eat the bread absurd.Frankly, everything you've posted is straight out of eating in moderation. Not sure how you've got the idea that it's anything else, or that moderation means anything different.
I don't even know what this means. To use your "definition," moderation means eating the things you like, but less of them. Fine. Then why can't it include eating bread today and finding a substitute tomorrow? Personally, a sandwich with "less" bread sounds crappy to me. I'd rather eat the exact type and amount of bread I like. Which means that if I do that, I typically need to cut from somewhere else in my day. Since I don't always want to do that, tomorrow I find a substitute for my bread. I don't know why you're arguing with me about this. I just get PO'd at all the people who insist that the mere idea of substitution is idiotic, when it's actually extremely smart.To make it relevant to the OP, don't substitute lettuce for bread - it isn't worth it since there really is no good substitute.
And again, people assume the lettuce for bread sub is not a good sub. Personally I much prefer a tasty lettuce leaf over a crappy slice of bread. Mostly because the lettuce leaf is actually tasty and crappy bread is well, crappy. If OP finds the sub sufficient that is all that matters
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Bread isn't the enemy. Instead, it's overall portion control. Put the portion control in check and you'll be good to go. You might concentrate on Rye and Whole Wheat instead of white though. White bread has got no nutritional value.
Geez! The OP didn't say bread the enemy or that she didn't want to eat any bread. She wants to eat less bread and was asking for suggestions on what she might substitute for the bread she cuts out.
White bread does have nutritional value.0 -
Bread isn't the enemy. Instead, it's overall portion control. Put the portion control in check and you'll be good to go. You might concentrate on Rye and Whole Wheat instead of white though. White bread has got no nutritional value.
Geez! The OP didn't say bread the enemy or that she didn't want to eat any bread. She wants to eat less bread and was asking for suggestions on what she might substitute for the bread she cuts out.
White bread does have nutritional value.
While I don't disagree, i do think it helps to remind people that moderation is a big part of losing weight. The diet food industry pushes substitutions (think of all the low fat sweet snacks that are out there) but these substitutions often aren't as satisfying. So yes, you're absolutely correct that the OP was looking for some easy substitutions (I eat double and triple burgers to increase protein content and decrease the bread rather than eating three separate burgers, for example), I don't think it's wrong to say "hey, just eat less."0 -
So is soup so no soup for youBesides the cutting down on how much bread you eat, also get better bread.
What American's think bread is:
What actual bread is:
One slice of real bread fills you up, toast does not. Also, there are breads that use whole grains *omnomnom*. However, stay away from pumpernickel and sunflower bread. Those are super high in calories.
Also, rich in essential omega 3, and vitamins? A healthy diet, should include bread, that are rich in fibre. Am I right?
Please tell me, why SHOULD a healthy diet include bread?
After all, bread is man made. I can get all of the nutrients from other foods that i can get out of bread with a lot less calories
in fact pretty much anything you eat except raw foods is man made
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I don't even know what this means. To use your "definition," moderation means eating the things you like, but less of them. Fine. Then why can't it include eating bread today and finding a substitute tomorrow? Personally, a sandwich with "less" bread sounds crappy to me. I'd rather eat the exact type and amount of bread I like. Which means that if I do that, I typically need to cut from somewhere else in my day. Since I don't always want to do that, tomorrow I find a substitute for my bread.
Right. People also seem to assume that if someone has been eating in a particular way that that way must be their ideal, and any other way (other than just eating less of the exact same foods) is some kind of sacrifice. But IME it's easy to just get in a rut. If you've always had sandwiches for lunch, you think that's lunch--it's easy, it's portable, there are a million lunch places that primarily sell sandwiches, etc. Subbing out a bread-centered lunch for something else on occasion--whether a lettuce wrap or a salad with protein or leftovers, etc.--seems a sensible, moderate, reasonable thing to explore.
I pretty much never crave bread (I eat it because some is good and sandwiches are convenient), but before I started this I was in the habit of buying a bagel for breakfast. Not because I loved that particular breakfast--I didn't--but because it was convenient. If I'd asked for ideas for alternative breakfasts, answering that I should eat smaller bagels would not really have been helpful.
The OP did say that she really likes bread, but she also said she was eating too much based on her analysis of the calories it added to her days, not that she was eliminating it as inherently "bad" or always inconsistent with a successful diet. Part of this might be that some people find bread filling, whereas others don't, particularly. Plus, I'd almost always rather have more protein in my lunch, just as a matter of personal preference. That may or may not be true for the OP, but exploring it seems a smart thing to do.
Not that the OP is reading this or has even read most of the thread, which contains lots of suggestions.0 -
Bread isn't the enemy. Instead, it's overall portion control. Put the portion control in check and you'll be good to go. You might concentrate on Rye and Whole Wheat instead of white though. White bread has got no nutritional value.
Geez! The OP didn't say bread the enemy or that she didn't want to eat any bread. She wants to eat less bread and was asking for suggestions on what she might substitute for the bread she cuts out.
White bread does have nutritional value.
While I don't disagree, i do think it helps to remind people that moderation is a big part of losing weight. The diet food industry pushes substitutions (think of all the low fat sweet snacks that are out there) but these substitutions often aren't as satisfying. So yes, you're absolutely correct that the OP was looking for some easy substitutions (I eat double and triple burgers to increase protein content and decrease the bread rather than eating three separate burgers, for example), I don't think it's wrong to say "hey, just eat less."
No, not wrong, but certianly not helpful since she already said she want's to eat less. If she's good on calories, but feels she is eating too much bread, then when she cuts back on bread she should substitute something else.
And if she is overeating calories due to bread, then saying just cut back is all well and good, except, again, she's already doing that, but wants some ideas of what to eat instead of sandwiches for lunch.
Telling someone to "just cut back" on something they've just told you they want to cut back on, because she never said she wanted to give up bread entirely, just seems silly. And telling that the thing they want to cut back on is not evil is a little beyond silly.
What's wrong with just assuming the OP is fine and just providing what she asked for?0 -
Bread isn't the enemy. Instead, it's overall portion control. Put the portion control in check and you'll be good to go. You might concentrate on Rye and Whole Wheat instead of white though. White bread has got no nutritional value.
Geez! The OP didn't say bread the enemy or that she didn't want to eat any bread. She wants to eat less bread and was asking for suggestions on what she might substitute for the bread she cuts out.
White bread does have nutritional value.
While I don't disagree, i do think it helps to remind people that moderation is a big part of losing weight. The diet food industry pushes substitutions (think of all the low fat sweet snacks that are out there) but these substitutions often aren't as satisfying. So yes, you're absolutely correct that the OP was looking for some easy substitutions (I eat double and triple burgers to increase protein content and decrease the bread rather than eating three separate burgers, for example), I don't think it's wrong to say "hey, just eat less."
No, not wrong, but certianly not helpful since she already said she want's to eat less. If she's good on calories, but feels she is eating too much bread, then when she cuts back on bread she should substitute something else.
And if she is overeating calories due to bread, then saying just cut back is all well and good, except, again, she's already doing that, but wants some ideas of what to eat instead of sandwiches for lunch.
Telling someone to "just cut back" on something they've just told you they want to cut back on, because she never said she wanted to give up bread entirely, just seems silly. And telling that the thing they want to cut back on is not evil is a little beyond silly.
What's wrong with just assuming the OP is fine and just providing what she asked for?
I personally believe that there is no substitute for good bread. Lettuce is appropriate for Korean BBQ but not for a burger or a Reuben. This can be debated ad nauseum, but at the end of the day, the OP is an adult and can take the advice she finds helpful and discard the rest. No biggie.0
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