Fruit = sugar ... arghh!!

well said

"I will never understand the religious fervor that some low-carb people try to whip up. If it works for you, fantastic. Got to town. But why do they feel compelled to try and convert everyone else? "

This!

And I think I want an apple now.. followed by a kitkat bar.

I will never understand the religious fervor that some low-carb people try to whip up. If it works for you, fantastic. Got to town. But why do they feel compelled to try and convert everyone else?

This. Do whatever works for you. Just don't tell others that they must stop eating fruit since you think that worked for you. (I seriously doubt that dropping fruit really made a difference but if so, like I said before, bummer! I mostly eat fruit in the warmer months, but summer fruit is fabulous and I'm glad I can eat peaches and cherries, among other possibilities).

My chronic acid reflux is gone. My insomnia is gone. My acne is gone. My hair and nails are stronger. My poor circulation is no longer a problem. I no longer want to take a nap halfway through the day.

Yes, it's such a shame that everyone who eats fruit has acid reflux, insomnia, acne, weak hair and nails, poor circulation, etc. Oh, wait, what? We don't? That's a relief!

I have lots of fruit every day, and im a diabetic that can control my disease with proper nutrition and exercise and no meds... must be doing it wrong.

Honestly I gave low-carb (Ketosis) a legitimate try recently.

I spent about 6 weeks at under 20 net carbs a day.

I was tired, sluggish (that energy boost everyone else gets, didn't happen), foggy minded, weak, constantly hungry, famished, hangry and emotional the entire time.

It was miserable.

And, I got sick, truly sick, and missed two days of work, for the first time in years.

20 net carbs is not enough for me to take in the fruit and veg level my body thrives on.

I've seen it do "miracles" for others, but my body doesn't jive with it's chemistry.

I went back to normal diet (which is still pretty low carb) but I've been really enjoying bananas, mangos, and sushi!

I love not caring less if I go over 20 carbs and my keto stick is clear than I feel sluggish for days because I just couldn't live without another serving of veg. That's kind of like intentionally dieting yourself into sickness.

Good luck!

Do what works for you.

PS I lost 0 weight in keto. I truly believe what I did lose was water weight because I started in the 180's, ended in the 180's, and I'm still in the 180's. Lots of suffering for 0 progress.

You gave it a good shot and now you know more about yourself. Great job!

Hi, my name is Mike and I am here for the lulz.


*goes back to gnawing on a banana*

I will never understand the religious fervor that some low-carb people try to whip up. If it works for you, fantastic. Go to town. But why do they feel compelled to try and convert everyone else?

Just as I do not understand why people jump in on newbies seeking advice for their newly adopted Keto WOE with "it's all about moderation not restriction!" and "unless you have diabetes, you should still eat carbs!"

Opinions run rampant on the message boards and I see them coming from ALL directions.

You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.

I love how this post immediately followed this guy's post:


Hey, SS...maybe lay off the fruit and you won't store so much fat.

:laugh:

Yeah Sidesteel. No more bananas for you!!!!

I will never understand the religious fervor that some low-carb people try to whip up. If it works for you, fantastic. Go to town. But why do they feel compelled to try and convert everyone else?

Just as I do not understand why people jump in on newbies seeking advice for their newly adopted Keto WOE with "it's all about moderation not restriction!" and "unless you have diabetes, you should still eat carbs!"

Opinions run rampant on the message boards and I see them coming from ALL directions.

And they are just that- opinions. From what I've seen in the year and a half on MFP, most people are just trying to help. Very often, people who are giving the advice you mention do so because they've "been there, done that". I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who preaches moderation or the like to be pushing it down peoples throats, saying it's the "only" way. For the vast majority of people, it's usually the best way (note I did not say the *only* way), because drastic changes are more difficult to make stick for the rest of ones life.

I have found most of the time when people say "don't eat sugar or carbs if you are diabetic" are never diabetic and really have no idea what they are talking about.

Sorry to burst your bubbles up in here, but sugar is sugar.

Your body does not say "Oh, well THIS sugar came from an APPLE, so I'm going to treat it differently than if it had come from a CANDY BAR".

It's still sugar. It still rots your teeth. It still stimulates the production of insulin.

Fruit these days is absolutely ridiculous and has been bred over years and years to be more packed with sugar and less packed with fiber.

The only outliers in this tend to be berries. They have sugar, but are still primarily fiber, and can be eaten in moderation. If you're worried about your vitamins and minerals, eat more non-starchy vegetables.

Fruits are mostly useless, and are a common trigger for people to over consume because they think "Oh, it's FRUIT! It must be healthy!". But your body goes "Oh, it's SUGAR! Give me more SUGAR!" and pretty soon you're craving any ol' sweet thing.

You clearly have no biochemistry background because this statement couldn't be more wrong. First of all, sugars are different. Different in composition and different in processing.

Sucrose (table sugar) is a disaccharide of fructose and glucose. When it enters the body and is broken down into saccharides. The glucose and fructose are handled much differently. In fact, most saccharides go through different routes during processing in the body.

Glucose is most easily used by the body and is stored as the polysaccharide glycogen in the liver and muscles. It goes through many cycles and is easily broken down back into saccharide form and sent/used by other parts of the body.

Fructose, on the other hand, is transported to the liver almost completely. In the liver it is converted to fructose-1-phosphate. Fructose-1-phosphate skips the major glycolysis regulation by phosphofructokinase and is converted to glyceraldehyde and dihydroxyacetone phosphate by aldolase B, where it re-enters glycolysis.

The important part there, if you missed it, is that it skips regulation by the primary glycolysis regulating enzyme, phosphofructokinase. This allows pyruvate to accumulate more readily than in the case of glucose and this allows it to more readily be converted into fatty acids through fatty acid synthesis in cases of pyruvate excess.

(relax, fatty acid synthesis and oxidation occurs every second and if oxidation wins for that time period , then you lose fat)

There is a difference with how your body reacts to every single saccharide (ok, mostly).

That being said, fruit, that you call worthless, are loaded with crazy-healthy polyphenols and fiber. Fiber slows absorption of the fructose, limiting fructose in the blood, limiting fructose in the liver, slowing conversion to pyruvate, and slowing fatty acid biosynthesis when compared to sucrose (table sugar). Since it absorbs slower, the pyruvate that it makes is more likely to be used by the kreb cycle than fructose (HFCS) found outside of fruit.

I know I'm probably late to the discussion but figured I'd add some science.