Fruit = sugar ... arghh!!
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You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.
I love how this post immediately followed this guy's post:
Hey, SS...maybe lay off the fruit and you won't store so much fat.
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Yeah Sidesteel. No more bananas for you!!!!
I'd make some sort of play on SideSteel's banana but I respect him more than that.0 -
People who eat food all die eventually.
Therefore food must be killing them.
Logic.0 -
Honestly I gave low-carb (Ketosis) a legitimate try recently.
I spent about 6 weeks at under 20 net carbs a day.
I was tired, sluggish (that energy boost everyone else gets, didn't happen), foggy minded, weak, constantly hungry, famished, hangry and emotional the entire time.
It was miserable.
And, I got sick, truly sick, and missed two days of work, for the first time in years.
20 net carbs is not enough for me to take in the fruit and veg level my body thrives on.
I've seen it do "miracles" for others, but my body doesn't jive with it's chemistry.
I went back to normal diet (which is still pretty low carb) but I've been really enjoying bananas, mangos, and sushi!
I love not caring less if I go over 20 carbs and my keto stick is clear than I feel sluggish for days because I just couldn't live without another serving of veg. That's kind of like intentionally dieting yourself into sickness.
Good luck!
Do what works for you.
PS I lost 0 weight in keto. I truly believe what I did lose was water weight because I started in the 180's, ended in the 180's, and I'm still in the 180's. Lots of suffering for 0 progress.
I'm doing Calories in - Calories Out right now and LOVING it. So nice to be able to eat whatever.
However, I do think it's a little silly to attribute your cold to a low carb diet.
I will say that I lost weight RAPIDLY on low carb. But I missed the food I'm enjoying now!0 -
"fruit in fruit"
I lold0 -
just eat fruit.0
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"fruit in fruit"
I lold
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I feel like as a person doing keto that there are other people giving it a bad name. It's frustrating.
You can eat fruit, as long as it's below your macro levels. I for one sometimes eat raspberries and whipped cream for a dessert.
You can have fruit, just don't go overboard for your personal needs.0 -
No it doesn't. That's not what insulin resistance is, or how it works.
No it doesn't. Insulin drives glycogen production, shuttles nutrients (including glucose) into muscles and organs, and roughly 100 other regulatory functions. Fat storage is simply a matter of caloric surplus vs caloric deficit.You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.
In a person with insulin resistance, insulin does cause fat storage.0 -
Yes, really.
There is literally nothing in fruit that cannot be gained from vegetables, with less useless sugar.
I highly doubt these folks are following a targeted approach of consuming sugars/carbs 30 minutes before an intense lifting session or cardio session.
There is no other reason to consume that much sugar.
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Our bodies are programmed to crave sugar after we ingest sugar. Because sugar actually used to be extremely rare, and was extremely valuable as a quick-burst fuel source for hundreds of thousands of years.
That cannot be said in modern times, and we continually seek to find "excuses" for "needing" sugary fruit.
Suger (sucrose) has a glycemic load of 68 and apple has a GL of 38 - so no, just no. Maltose (beer) has a highr GL than either and beer does not make me crave more sugar. Sugar in the form of fruit was only extremely rare when the only plants on the planet were ferns. For goodness sake - go take a walk outside - at this time of year everything has fruit and a good chunk of those are fit for human consumption.
If you were to ingest sucrose on its own compared to an apple on its own, in a fasted state, then it's a valid comparison. But not many people do that. The GI index has very limited usefulness.0 -
Yes, really.
There is literally nothing in fruit that cannot be gained from vegetables, with less useless sugar.
I highly doubt these folks are following a targeted approach of consuming sugars/carbs 30 minutes before an intense lifting session or cardio session.
There is no other reason to consume that much sugar.
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Our bodies are programmed to crave sugar after we ingest sugar. Because sugar actually used to be extremely rare, and was extremely valuable as a quick-burst fuel source for hundreds of thousands of years.
That cannot be said in modern times, and we continually seek to find "excuses" for "needing" sugary fruit.
Suger (sucrose) has a glycemic load of 68 and apple has a GL of 38 - so no, just no. Maltose (beer) has a highr GL than either and beer does not make me crave more sugar. Sugar in the form of fruit was only extremely rare when the only plants on the planet were ferns. For goodness sake - go take a walk outside - at this time of year everything has fruit and a good chunk of those are fit for human consumption.
If you were to ingest sucrose on its own compared to an apple on its own, in a fasted state, then it's a valid comparison. But not many people do that. The GI index has very limited usefulness.
When I'm looking to feel full on a limited number of calories, the fiber content alone (as long as I'm getting a minimum of the three macros) helps satiation.0 -
Have you heard of Freelee, the Banana girl?
I don't promote this but it is too funny and appropriate not to post. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Freelea
that was awesome thanks. and thanks everyone for your thoughts. I'm eating some cherries as I type this.
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Have you heard of Freelee, the Banana girl?
I don't promote this but it is too funny and appropriate not to post. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Freelea
that was awesome thanks. and thanks everyone for your thoughts. I'm eating some cherries as I type this.
Happens I'm a gamer geek so of course I'm a Boogie fan. He's been struggling a long time. If his doctor green-lights a vegan diet heavy on the fruit, what is there to lose by trying?0 -
No it doesn't. That's not what insulin resistance is, or how it works.
No it doesn't. Insulin drives glycogen production, shuttles nutrients (including glucose) into muscles and organs, and roughly 100 other regulatory functions. Fat storage is simply a matter of caloric surplus vs caloric deficit.You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.
In a person with insulin resistance, insulin does cause fat storage.
Actually, that's absolutely how it works. It's funny you're trying to argue over it with someone who has insulin resistance. But whatever makes you sleep at night :flowerforyou:0 -
Sorry to burst your bubbles up in here, but sugar is sugar.
Your body does not say "Oh, well THIS sugar came from an APPLE, so I'm going to treat it differently than if it had come from a CANDY BAR".
It's still sugar. It still rots your teeth. It still stimulates the production of insulin.
Fruit these days is absolutely ridiculous and has been bred over years and years to be more packed with sugar and less packed with fiber.
The only outliers in this tend to be berries. They have sugar, but are still primarily fiber, and can be eaten in moderation. If you're worried about your vitamins and minerals, eat more non-starchy vegetables.
Fruits are mostly useless, and are a common trigger for people to over consume because they think "Oh, it's FRUIT! It must be healthy!". But your body goes "Oh, it's SUGAR! Give me more SUGAR!" and pretty soon you're craving any ol' sweet thing.
all food is useless, because even if you eat it, you're going to die anyway!
Shut up and eat your fruit. Or don't. and leave OP and her fruit alone.0 -
Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU!
Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories. 0 -
Have you heard of Freelee, the Banana girl?
I don't promote this but it is too funny and appropriate not to post. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Freelea
that was awesome thanks. and thanks everyone for your thoughts. I'm eating some cherries as I type this.
+1 for cherries
I just had some myself. They're so delicious and inexpensive right now. $1.88/lb today!0 -
No it doesn't. That's not what insulin resistance is, or how it works.
No it doesn't. Insulin drives glycogen production, shuttles nutrients (including glucose) into muscles and organs, and roughly 100 other regulatory functions. Fat storage is simply a matter of caloric surplus vs caloric deficit.You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.
In a person with insulin resistance, insulin does cause fat storage.
Actually, that's absolutely how it works. It's funny you're trying to argue over it with someone who has insulin resistance. But whatever makes you sleep at night :flowerforyou:
Not to stir to pot, but just because you have it doesn't make you all knowledgeable about it. I have migraines, doesn't mean I am an expert in migraines. Not attacking you, just saying that's not a very good argument.
Considering I've spent years working closely with multiple endocrinologists and also studied it in nursing school, I am very knowledgeable in the subject.0 -
Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU! Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories.
Splenda doesn't have calories.0 -
Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU! Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories.
Splenda doesn't have calories.
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Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU! Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories.
Splenda doesn't have calories.
Though I admire the David Tennant .gif, I just-
http://www.splenda.com/products/granulated0 -
+1 for cherries
I just had some myself. They're so delicious and inexpensive right now. $1.88/lb today!
I so got ripped off. :sad:0 -
I don't know much about splenda, so thanks! But just saying. Fruits vs. your cane sugar....Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU! Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories.
Splenda doesn't have calories.
Though I admire the David Tennant .gif, I just-
http://www.splenda.com/products/granulated0 -
was in a trader joe's yesterday, and couldn't resist a few of the deals on fruit...got some cherries, some apricots, and some blueberries... at the counter I off had just noted, "wow, I got a lot of fruit"....the clerk, in response, said "a lot of sugar". This took me by surprise, but I just replied "oh, we're not going to start counting the sugar in fruit are we?" . She looked at me, and said dryly "YOU should" ( with an emphasis on the "You". Lol, she was a little overweight herself, and I am of course a bit over weight, but just WOW. I wanted to reply back that "it wasn't eating fruit that got you and me in this shape lady"
and that is still my thoughts...I actively try to get a few servings of fruit in my diet to keep me sane (plus...fruit!!). google doesn't solve this. even myfitnesspal counts the sugar as too high. so what I should just eat broccoli and chicken and water right? I guess that's what it means.
She was way out of line, and I am a bit shocked she would speak to a customer that way. I would have taken my money elsewhere. I really don't sweat fruit sugar, as it comes with fibre. Fruit juice is the main sugar pit fall that one should worry about with fruit.0 -
Sorry, but just because you have it, doesn't mean you understand it. Insulin resistance is when insulin receptors in cells no longer respond to insulin, for several reasons, including excess fatty acids in the blood stream physically blocking the receptors. This causes the insulin to shuttle the glucose it was carrying back to the liver, as it normally does when the cells reject glucose (in healthy people it means glucose reserves are full.) Nowhere there does insulin actually cause fat storage, as the liver will convert the excess glucose to glycogen. Then when liver glycogen is full, the liver will then create triglycerides out of any excess glucose, which will then be stored in adipose tissue. At that point, insulin is long out of the equation.
No it doesn't. That's not what insulin resistance is, or how it works.
No it doesn't. Insulin drives glycogen production, shuttles nutrients (including glucose) into muscles and organs, and roughly 100 other regulatory functions. Fat storage is simply a matter of caloric surplus vs caloric deficit.You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.
In a person with insulin resistance, insulin does cause fat storage.
Actually, that's absolutely how it works. It's funny you're trying to argue over it with someone who has insulin resistance. But whatever makes you sleep at night :flowerforyou:0 -
Sorry, but just because you have it, doesn't mean you understand it. Insulin resistance is when insulin receptors in cells no longer respond to insulin, for several reasons, including excess fatty acids in the blood stream physically blocking the receptors. This causes the insulin to shuttle the glucose it was carrying back to the liver, as it normally does when the cells reject glucose (in healthy people it means glucose reserves are full.) Nowhere there does insulin actually cause fat storage, as the liver will convert the excess glucose to glycogen. Then when liver glycogen is full, the liver will then create triglycerides out of any excess glucose, which will then be stored in adipose tissue. At that point, insulin is long out of the equation.
No it doesn't. That's not what insulin resistance is, or how it works.
No it doesn't. Insulin drives glycogen production, shuttles nutrients (including glucose) into muscles and organs, and roughly 100 other regulatory functions. Fat storage is simply a matter of caloric surplus vs caloric deficit.You know what else insulin does? Helps trigger storage of fat.
In a person with insulin resistance, insulin does cause fat storage.
Actually, that's absolutely how it works. It's funny you're trying to argue over it with someone who has insulin resistance. But whatever makes you sleep at night :flowerforyou:
Insulin doesn't carry sugar. Insulin is a peptide that acts upon a receptor that sends a signal cascade through the cell that results in vesicles containing glucose transporters (GLUT) migrating to the cell membrane. I'm with you that the word insulin is thrown around far too much, though.
I was going to link some old notes I took back in college but this page explains insulin much better than my sloppy notes do. Everyone should be required to read it before they can use the word "insulin."
http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/insulin.php
For those actually interested in the real peptide insulin instead of the fabled insulin that is thrown around so much, I encourage you to actually take some time and read it. There is a full section on how insulin resistance works.0 -
Honestly I gave low-carb (Ketosis) a legitimate try recently.
I spent about 6 weeks at under 20 net carbs a day.
I was tired, sluggish (that energy boost everyone else gets, didn't happen), foggy minded, weak, constantly hungry, famished, hangry and emotional the entire time.
It was miserable.
And, I got sick, truly sick, and missed two days of work, for the first time in years.
20 net carbs is not enough for me to take in the fruit and veg level my body thrives on.
I've seen it do "miracles" for others, but my body doesn't jive with it's chemistry.
I went back to normal diet (which is still pretty low carb) but I've been really enjoying bananas, mangos, and sushi!
I love not caring less if I go over 20 carbs and my keto stick is clear than I feel sluggish for days because I just couldn't live without another serving of veg. That's kind of like intentionally dieting yourself into sickness.
Good luck!
Do what works for you.
PS I lost 0 weight in keto. I truly believe what I did lose was water weight because I started in the 180's, ended in the 180's, and I'm still in the 180's. Lots of suffering for 0 progress.
I'm doing Calories in - Calories Out right now and LOVING it. So nice to be able to eat whatever.
However, I do think it's a little silly to attribute your cold to a low carb diet.
I will say that I lost weight RAPIDLY on low carb. But I missed the food I'm enjoying now!
Actually, the "low carb flu" in the initial days or weeks of starting the diet is a fairly popular phenomenon. Just google it I'd suggest0 -
Sweetie.... how can I put this.... you have lost 43lbs.... forty three pounds....
If you've done that by eating fruit...
Keep Eating The Fruit!0 -
Counting sugar isn't even that important for some diabetics. I am diabetic (well controlled with a low dose of medication and there is a good chance I will be off that by the end of summer) and my doctor told me to ignore sugar and count total carbs only. I count fiber instead but she told me I can't count net carbs but must stick with total.
Eat your fruit if you like it and can fit it in with all of the other macro and micronutrients!0 -
I don't know much about splenda, so thanks! But just saying. Fruits vs. your cane sugar....Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU! Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories.
Splenda doesn't have calories.
Though I admire the David Tennant .gif, I just-
http://www.splenda.com/products/granulated
^^ you are aware that sugar cane is a type of grass, right?0 -
These threads always deliver.0
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