Juice fast

Your butt is gonna cry....

Were you gaining weight when you were eating?
If not, then I don't see anything wrong with your juice fast. But if you can't eat at maintenance when you finish with juicing, that will be the problem.

Not sure what VLCDs are.

I don't think this has been answered.

VLCD stands for 'very low calorie diet.'

Im juicing fresh veggies with a juicer If you use V8 you might as well kill yourself before you decide to ingest gasoline

Oh dear...I drink 8oz of V8 every morning to kick start my potassium intake. I think I am safe though...its the low sodium kind.

I don't agree with OP but he may just have a point with respect to the V8. A juicer allows you to make healthy juices without additives and you can vary the blend based on what's in season.

They did a pressure nanometric measurements in volunteers who agreed to swallow what were essentially small balloons. They found, to their surprise, that the EFFECTIVE volume of the stomach did fall after fasting over a period of time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/health/22real.html?_r=0
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Steve;
"EFFECTIVE volume"

I'll grant you the "point" that at least a few "studies" referencing the stomach's ability to "shrink" (or "grow") have been conducted over the years and concede that my use of the word "NO" was incorrect, but.......

That said, the "studies" to which you linked (in the article) consisted of one conducted in 1996 with a total population (test group + control group) of 20. The second, conducted in 2001 consisted of three "test" groups of 10, 11,10 - hardly enough subjects in either "study" to qualify as a "clinical study" (in the generally accepted sense of those words). And, a "number of others", alluded to, by the author as "studies have shown".

It's doubtful that a (or a couple of) "studies" may have shown ("may have", because we're expected to take the author's "word" for it lacking a cite) that certain "groups" have larger stomach capacities than others, will come as any surprise to most. How is that relevant to the discussion, and why was that particular "fact" (assuming it is one), conflated with the "stomach shrinks" thrust of the article?

Mere "publication" in the NYTimes lends little credibility to any particular author's motivations, a "fact" the divine Ms.Judith Miller demonstrated so conclusively and much to the detriment of not only this country but the world.

The second (2001) "study" seems completely out of place in an article attempting to validate the "...Your Stomach Shrinks..." theory put forth by the author of the article since there were no "before and after" comparisons (which would be required to determine any "increase" or "decrease" in stomach size.
Rather, that study was designed to "compare" the "relative" capacities of three specific groups: normal, bulimic, and obese, NOT changes in stomach capacity. Perhaps "nice to know" info - but totally irrelevant to both the question at hand and as "evidence" to "prove" the author's assertions.

The first study, does provide a "degree" of validation but the study size and the lack of a number of subsequent "confirming" clinical results ("controlled" and of adequate size) in the ensuing 18 years places its results in the "interesting but hardly conclusive" category. A critical component of the Scientific Method is demonstrated "repeat-ability" - until that exists, results reside in the "unproven theory" category.

A quick search of pubmed.gov shows fewer than 100 results for study abstracts relating to the subject including some that date back to the early 1970's.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=8561056

The VAST majority of those shown, relate NOT to "stomach shrinkage" but rather to the BIB procedures (wherein the "balloon" you mentioned is placed in the stomach to "take up room".

You are absolutely correct in pointing out that I should not have used the word "NO", and very well "may" be correct in your assumption that the "....stomach is seeming to become more and more important in the obesity equation." Time will tell.

However, until presented with actual "proof" that the preponderance of the evidence (based on studies and conclusions that have been duplicated) falls on the side of the "myth" that the stomach "shrinks" (in the context we are using here on the Forums) - I'll stand with the consensus of the medical and scientific communities that refute the claim. The one relevant study in the article you referenced provides a starting point, and study size alone doesn't necessarily "invalidate" the conclusions, but neither does it grant "fact" status.

The article to which you referred offers little, if anything, to challenge the consensus, as would be expected when the author is forced to include "examples" he/she hopes desperately that no one will verify.

Had the author of the article stopped after.....
"But whether dieting actually shrinks your stomach, as many people believe, is not so clear-cut, partly because the stomach’s actual size is difficult to measure with precision before and after a diet."
....she/he would have been far better off (if maintaining any sort of journalistic "professionalism" matters to him/her).

In the end, whether the stomach actually does, physically, "shrink" in size or if something (receptor induced satiety signals?) just makes one "think" it does - does it really matter to the typical, "garden variety" dieter?

Im juicing fresh veggies with a juicer If you use V8 you might as well kill yourself before you decide to ingest gasoline

Oh dear...I drink 8oz of V8 every morning to kick start my potassium intake. I think I am safe though...its the low sodium kind.

I don't agree with OP but he may just have a point with respect to the V8. A juicer allows you to make healthy juices without additives and you can vary the blend based on what's in season.

I tried making vegetable juice...on my budget...it just isn't affordable.

I doubt if one 8oz glass of V8 a day will have serious adverse affects on my health. However spending that much money on one glass of juice will prevent me from being able to buy as many other fruits and vegetables that I can actually chew.

In a ideal world...I might agree with both you and the OP...I just don't live in that ideal world. Well...except for the part that I will die because I drink V8 juice.

"Breakfast:The Least Important Meal of the Day"

You keep saying that, but can't post a single study to support it.
Here are several studies (peer-reviewed, published in respected professional journals) showing that breakfast is important, and eating a large breakfast is associated with greater weight loss.

This study compared eating a small breakfast, medium lunch, and large dinner, [200, 500, 700 cal]
with eating a large breakfast, medium lunch, and small dinner [700, 500, 200 cal].
"The [large breakfast] group showed greater weight loss and waist circumference reduction ... fasting glucose, insulin [&] triglycerides ... decreased significantly to a greater extent in the [large breakfast] group."
In addition, hunger was less and satiety was greater.
Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23512957
Here's a PDF of the whole article.
http://genetics.doctorsonly.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Jakubowicz-at-al-Obesity-2013-oby20460.pdf

"data suggest that a low-calorie Mediterranean diet with a higher amount of calories in the first part of the day could establish a greater reduction in fat mass and improved insulin sensitivity than a typical daily diet."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24809437

"Breakfast is associated with lower body weight ...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24898236

"subjects assigned to high caloric intake during breakfast lost significantly more weight than those assigned to high caloric intake during the dinner"
Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24467926
Full text: http://www.tradewindsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Nutrient-Timing-and-Obesity-2014.pdf

Tell you what dude i will bet the ranch that if i lose 50 lbs in the next 55 days on the juice fast you will tell me its water weight that i lost

Well actually that isn't even possible. :noway:

I've done juice fasts. Loved them and would do them again.
PLEASE stop giving the rest of us juicers a bad reputation, and please DO SOME RESEARCH on how your body works. So much of what you have said is simply wrong and you are looking like a fool. It's hard to believe you are anything but a troll.

Who are you talking to? Specific person or all us "trolls"?

You could be a troll too.

Since you are convinced that you are so right, and that everyone else who says fasting for weight loss, including a juice fast, is not the best idea, why don't you simply tell us all where we are wrong and provide studies to the same? I mean, since us trolls who are giving juicers a bad reputation don't know what we are talking about.