1200 cal is NOT enough

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  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    I actually have to disagree with this, and I apologize in advance. I actually have a medical issue, that my body can't process the calories and fat as well as a normal body could. So, while some people could have a normal caloric intake of, say, 1450... the 1450 for me, would cause me to gain weight. I absolutely exercise, and I eat right, and by all means, I'm never hungry. By saying that no one should ever have 1200 calories, that it isn't healthy, is, at best, wrong, and at worst, ignorant. Some people don't have bodies to process food in large quantities. For you, it's not enough, and that's a-ok. But for others, it's perfect.
    If your body couldn't process them as well, you'd gain less from the same amount...
  • ZaCkOX
    ZaCkOX Posts: 115
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    Omg, I fainted, and bleed to death from eating 1,200 calorie diets for months... NOT! :D
    Sure are setting yourself up for success with a couple slices of peach for breakfast and plain chicken for dinner and 900 calories a day.

    You knowledge and attention to proper nutrition
    > Not even once.

    Success? You bet, I am more successful these 7 months considering I lost 77 lbs!

    I wasn't done eating for the day. If I eat over 1,200 good then. I basically eat to avoid hunger. So not everyday will be 1,200 on the dot, sometimes under or over. I don't binge eat either. Too damn stubborn for that.

    If you don't want to listen that's fine. Experienced members are telling you what's up. The people who don't end up listening are gone before they know it. I have been working on my weight since i was 13yrs old. Most of the time I'd read books educate myself(this was before the internet, people actually read books). i would lose some weight and gain it back. There are 2 parts to success education, and experience. If you fail at something, it's because you don't have the education or you don't have the experience. I was just lacking experience. I just kept on trying. Eventually I got up to 425lbs. Tried again, dropped down, gained some back etc..

    When I came on MFP, i was about 340lbs. I would share my "education" on the forums, people would just talk crap, tell me how i was "wrong", and "what do you know, you're fat?" etc... I remember this one girl who would criticize me. She lost about 80lbs when I met her on the forums. I saw her on the forums a few months ago, she's struggling. You know what? she gained back all her weight and more. Where are all the people who would run their mouth, all the people who wouldn't listen? 98% of them, haven't seen them around for years now.

    I messed up last year, lost my weight, gained back about 60lbs. Negative thoughts and emotions starts to mainfest. I eventually got back on track and dropped it again. I know this guy who was a big role model on the forums, he was over weight, got ripped, then got fat again, now he's gone.

    What's the difference from me and those people who haven't been around? Experience and education. Some where educated I don't deny that, 2 people who are experienced, and educated in the subject are telling you what's up.

    All the people who say "well i eat 1,200 cals a day" check their age, if they're not older, check how long they been here... more than likely less than a year. They don't know what's up, they just think they do.

    What got me out of my 60lbs weight gain was my experience, I knew how to handle it, and exactly what to do. Most people do not. They just jump right back in to the crap that threw them off in the first place.

    Honestly I am doing something very similar to what you're doing. It's possible to be successful on it. But it's very hard and very unlikely. You really have to know what you're doing. If the white guy in red shorts is right, you ate some peaches and something else for breakfast? You're doing it wrong. Honestly, I am not even sure if I will be successful with this extreme stuff. How is your electrolyte balance? are you consuming enough protein to conserve LBM? Are you getting the proper types of fats? How are you maintaining your metabolic rate and prevent it from crashing? How are you managing your leptin levels? Do you know any of this? It's risky, very risky. You really have to know what you're doing to pull it off for the long term.

    Losing the weight isn't the hard part, the hard part is keeping it off. Send an email to CyberEd, he lost over 310lbs and has kept it off for a few years now. Tell him you're eating 1,200 calories. See what he says.

    I was fat when I was a kid and I did the same thing then as now. I survived and I was in great shape, I didn't have a problem with my health. I got depressed years later and that crashed me. Now I'm beating myself over that and I WILL NOT FAIL. I will be here throughout this whole year not lying about my exercise or diet. I am not going to lie, it is incredible hard, but I am an incredible person. To go from one side of being completely depressed, to doing everything in my power to take complete control. How many people that were severely depressed do that without medication or support? I did this on my own before coming here and signing up.

    I spent many lonely nights exercising because I was so damn pissed at myself. 150 lbs, that is a lot of weight to lose. I am not the only person in the world to diet this strict and make it. AND I AM SURE AS HELL NEVER WANT TO RETURN TO THAT STATE OF WELL-BEING.

    I should note, I gained the weight because I was depressed. You can read my story anytime. If I never got depressed I wouldn't of gained all that weight.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
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    Dear OP: you're not every woman and man of every age and size.

    There's a reason there are BMR and TDEE calculators.
  • SomeGirlSomewhere
    SomeGirlSomewhere Posts: 937 Member
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    The OP is only 19 years old! If she were mostly sedentary and middle aged I am sure her opinion would be VERY different.
  • aurorareigns
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    I'm not sure why I've kept up with this thread since it started, I think it's making me paranoid

    I no longer know what is right anymore o.0
  • ZaCkOX
    ZaCkOX Posts: 115
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    I don't like being compared to people that don't make their goal. I don't care if anyone heard someone else say they will make and change their lifestyle. That is what they said. I know what I said, what I planned to do, how I am going to get there and make the change permanent.

    I was a power lifter for 5 years, I successfully lost a lot of weight in the past and kept it off for years. I got depressed over women, then I didn't care about myself, about anything. Depression! It was depression!

    That is completely behind me. You want to relate me to some freak that is going to crash, fail, well you are COMPLETELY WRONG. You wait 6 months and you keep monitoring my progress. I am beyond pissed off at myself for getting depressed and not doing a damn thing about it. If I get injured, I still will fight the hardest fight ever. Why? Because I don't EVER WANT TO BE WHO I WAS DURING MY DEPRESSION.
  • andreakurylo
    andreakurylo Posts: 15 Member
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    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/

    Please read this article. I'm so sick of people talking about this "Starvation Mode" thing and how you need to increase calories to lose weight...it's all complete b/s!!! U need protein to burn fat, and lean proteins make u feel A LOT fuller than carbs. So limiting carbs isn't necessarily a bad thing if you aren't feeling "full." I've been eating under 1200 calories everyday, but I also exercise 5-7 days/week. 30 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of different weight training techniques. You would be surprised at how full you can get by increasing your protein intake to about 30-35% of your daily intake of calories. PROTEIN burns fat, and is a healthy and essential way to lose weight and feel full. I'm usually under 50 carb/day...not per meal...per day! Chicken and Ground Turkey have NO CARBS and make u feel full for a longer amount of time than just eating veggies and fruits. I eat a ton of fruits, make smoothies out of strawberries, bananas and blueberries (blueberries have enormous amounts of antioxidants and aid in weight loss) with a little Organic Strawberry Banana juice. I cut up all my fruits as soon as I buy them and freeze them, so when I'm actually drinking a smoothie, it's 100% fruits and antioxidants...not watered down with ice. That's usually my way of snacking and what I give my 4 year old son instead of ice cream. I LOVE TACOS!!! So I've found some pretty amazing whole grain carb smart wraps...one only has 11 carbs/wrap and one is 14 carbs/wrap and the one that's 14 carbs is only 50 calories too!!! So I'm getting whole grains, which help control insulin levels, ground turkey is the meat that I use...and it has no carbs at all and just a little serving or 2 of cheese. It doesn't matter if the cheese is 100-110 calories/serving because this meal is way under 500 calories!!! And what's more is that it's super filling!!! A mistake that people often make when it comes to tacos, is buying pre-packaged seasoning, and unfortunately, a mistake that I've made most of my life! I LOVE Old El Paso's Taco Seasoning...love it. And when my son's father was diagnosed with Meniere's Disease 3 years ago, I started using the one labled "25% less sodium." With Meniere's Disease, you have to cut your sodium intake immensely and this helped. However, from a diet stand point it breaks down to this: 1 package is 6 servings (and u use that whole thing in 1lb of ground meat) 15 calories per serving, 270mg of sodium, and 3 carbs. Doesn't sound like much right? Until you multiply those numbers by 6!!! So I opt'd to make the seasoning myself (which is waaayyy better tasting and healthier!) using chili powder, red pepper, garlic powder (not garlic salt!) and onion powder. You can put in as little or as much as you'd like for flavor and there's no added calories, sodium or carbs! Top w/some organic salsa or even some bottled taco sauce (but watch how much u use of the bottled stuff cause it does contain carbs, but being that this is an extremely low carb containing meal, 2 servings is no big deal) I also chop up tomatos and dice green chilies and add them to the meat for even more flavor and nutrients!!! The only thing I look for with cheese is the reduced fat kind. And here's a direct quote of why u need some fat....

    "Triglycerides, cholesterol and other essential fatty acids—the scientific term for fats the body can't make on its own—store energy, insulate us and protect our vital organs. They act as messengers, helping proteins do their jobs. They also start chemical reactions that help control growth, immune function, reproduction and other aspects of basic metabolism.
    The cycle of making, breaking, storing and mobilizing fats is at the core of how humans and all animals regulate their energy. An imbalance in any step can result in disease, including heart disease and diabetes. For instance, having too many triglycerides in our bloodstream raises our risk of clogged arteries, which can lead to heart attack and stroke.
    Fats help the body stockpile certain nutrients as well. The so-called "fat-soluble" vitamins—A, D, E and K—are stored in the liver and in fatty tissues.
    Knowing that fats play such an important role in many basic functions in the body, researchers funded by the National Institutes of Health study them in humans and other organisms to learn more about normal and abnormal biology.
    Despite fat's importance, no one yet understands exactly how humans store it and call it into action. In search of insight, Oklahoma State University biochemist Estela Arrese studies triglyceride metabolism in unexpected places: silkworms, fruit flies, and mosquitoes.
    The main type of fat we consume, triglycerides are especially suited for energy storage because they pack more than twice as much energy as carbohydrates or proteins.
    Once triglycerides have been broken down during digestion, they are shipped out to cells through the bloodstream. Some of the fat gets used for energy right away. The rest is stored inside cells in blobs called lipid droplets. When we need extra energy—for instance, when we run a marathon—our bodies use enzymes called lipases to break down the stored triglycerides. The cell's power plants, mitochondria, can then create more of the body's main energy source: adenosine triphosphate, or ATP."


    Eating leafy green veggies and fruits lower on the glycemic index is also SUPER important for weight loss and overall health benefits. Here's some essential info about the glycemic index...which was brought to my attention by my Endocrinologist.

    The glycemic index (GI) is a ranking of carbohydrates on a scale from 0 to 100 according to the extent to which they raise blood sugar levels after eating. Foods with a high GI are those which are rapidly digested and absorbed and result in marked fluctuations in blood sugar levels. Low-GI foods, by virtue of their slow digestion and absorption, produce gradual rises in blood sugar and insulin levels, and have proven benefits for health. Low GI diets have been shown to improve both glucose and lipid levels in people with diabetes (type 1 and type 2). They have benefits for weight control because they help control appetite and delay hunger. Low GI diets also reduce insulin levels and insulin resistance.

    Recent studies from Harvard School of Public Health indicate that the risks of diseases such as type 2 diabetes and coronary heart disease are strongly related to the GI of the overall diet. In 1999, the World Health Organisation (WHO) and Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) recommended that people in industrialised countries base their diets on low-GI foods in order to prevent the most common diseases of affluence, such as coronary heart disease, diabetes and obesity.

    This link will tell you all about the glycemic index of carb containing foods: http://www.glycemicindex.com/index.php

    Berries and Strawberries are really low on the glycemic index...making u feel fuller longer and more satisfied, while bananas are on the moderate side, slightly spiking your glucose levels...but not enough to be super concerned. They are to be eaten in moderation, while watermelon's GI ranges from 72-80 and cantaloupe's GI ranges between 65-70!!! Those should be avoided or eaten in moderation along with lower GI foods.

    I was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance 2 months ago and have a best friend who is a Team Beach Body Coach and I'm full of helpful information!!! If u have any questions or concerns feel free to message me and I'll hook u up with all types of info. Believe me, you can easily get filled on 1200 calories/day as long as u eat the right ones!!! The link above for glycemicindex.com will also allow u to search for your fav foods and see how they are rated on the GI scale. It's not just a blog talking about the benefits of eating low GI foods...it has all sorts of tools to help you!!! Good Luck w/everything!!!
  • andreakurylo
    andreakurylo Posts: 15 Member
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    I beg to differ...check out this artice: http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/weight_loss_diet_plans/what_does_a_1200_calorie_diet_look_like

    And another good one:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/237644-how-to-consume-1200-calories-a-day/

    It's easy to get the proper nutrition from 1200 calories/day if you are eating the right things! And if you still don't feel you're getting enough nutrition, there are plenty of vitamin supplements you can take designed for people who exercise and need extra nutrition for other reasons.
  • andreakurylo
    andreakurylo Posts: 15 Member
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    Omg, I fainted, and bleed to death from eating 1,200 calorie diets for months... NOT! :D
    Sure are setting yourself up for success with a couple slices of peach for breakfast and plain chicken for dinner and 900 calories a day.

    You knowledge and attention to proper nutrition
    > Not even once.

    Success? You bet, I am more successful these 7 months considering I lost 77 lbs!

    I wasn't done eating for the day. If I eat over 1,200 good then. I basically eat to avoid hunger. So not everyday will be 1,200 on the dot, sometimes under or over. I don't binge eat either. Too damn stubborn for that.
    The argument is always made that someone can get proper nutrition on 1200 calories by eating the right foods including lots of fruits and vegetables. Unfortunately, you can't.

    I beg to differ...check out this artice: http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/weight_loss_diet_plans/what_does_a_1200_calorie_diet_look_like

    And another good one:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/237644-how-to-consume-1200-calories-a-day/

    It's easy to get the proper nutrition from 1200 calories/day if you are eating the right things! And if you still don't feel you're getting enough nutrition, there are plenty of vitamin supplements you can take designed for people who exercise and need extra nutrition for other reasons.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
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    Oh please. One was written by an RD. I really don't think your own personal observations from time spent in MFP forums on what percent of people fail at what calorie levels is more authoritative.

    Besides, I posted a peer reviewed meta-analysis that refuted your whole premise and you ignored that.
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