Skinny Bi**h Book
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Anyone claiming vegertarian and vegans are healthy because they don't eat meat have never met my ex. Also, many vegans and vegetarians in India, who are vegetarian because of religious believes are morbidly obese. Don't go for buzz words.0
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LOL, at the end of the day, they are still slaughtering the poor things!
http://www.mercyforanimals.org/investigations.aspx
FFS stop being so selfish.0 -
I never TOLD the OP to restrict further, I do not understand how she cannot just substitute her meat calories and nutrients for meat alternatives. Yes I give my opinion, and yes I know that many will not like it, but I also provided reputable sources based on FACTS along with my personal views and opinions. Overall, like you said, you choose to eat animals and I choose not to eat animals.
Oh ffs..yes you did. Giving up meat and animal products is further restriction by definition. You did not even make suggestions on how to do it healthily - no, you were too busy tell her what not to eat.
Also. who said I chose to eat animals...you assumed I did because you wanted to deflect the comment about your agenda by throwing it back at me.0 -
WHAAAAAT THE HECK?! How in the world am I selfish, I think giving up one the in order to benefit/save others is the exact opposite of being selfish. Whatever, I'm done, because obviously one cannot give her own opinion without being bashed and being called insults. :laugh:0
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WHAAAAAT THE HECK?! How in the world am I selfish, I think giving up one the in order to benefit/save others is the exact opposite of being selfish. Whatever, I'm done, because obviously one cannot give her own opinion without being bashed and being called insults. :laugh:
Still about you I see!0 -
Such entertaining reading! Enjoying the laughs while I eat my yoghurt...really looking forward to my chicken breast at lunch....mmmm chickennnn0
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Please read to inform yourself: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins
Regarding the teeth argument: http://theveganapproach.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/human-anatomy-teeth.png
I see your simplistic nonsense, and raise you science:
SYNOPSIS OF THE PRIMARY EVIDENCE (CONCLUSIONS)
Humans can be regarded as natural omnivores, so long as one uses the common definition of the term: a natural diet that includes significant amounts of both plant and animal foods. (Humans might not qualify as omnivores if one uses the definition of omnivore as advocated by D.J. Chivers and associates, and discussed in earlier sections herein.)
To use terms that are linked to gut morphology, humans are either faunivores [meat-eaters] or frugivores with specific (evolutionary) adaptations for the consumption of animal foods. This, of course, means that humans are not natural vegetarians. A short summary of some of the evidence supporting this follows (the material below was discussed in depth in earlier sections of this paper).
The fossil record.
Approximately 2.5 million years of human omnivory/faunivory are apparent in the record, with genetic adaptation to that diet the inevitable and inescapable outcome of evolution. The supporting evidence here includes isotope analysis of fossils, providing further evidence of consumption of animal foods.
Comparative anatomy of the human gut.
The best scientific evidence available to date on gut morphology--analyzed using two different statistical approaches--shows evidence of adaptations for which the best explanation is the practice of faunivory. (Faunivory as an explanation is also supported by optimal foraging theory in hunter-gatherer tribes.) Further, the human gut morphology is not what might be expected for a strict vegetarian/fruit diet.
Comparative physiology (metabolism)
Intestinal receptors for heme iron. The existence of intestinal receptors for the specific absorption of heme iron is strong evidence of adaptation to animal foods in the diet, as heme iron is found in nutritionally significant amounts only in animal foods (fauna).
B-12 an essential nutrient.
Similarly, the requirement for vitamin B-12 in human nutrition, and the lack of reliable (year-round) plant sources suggests evolutionary adaptation to animal foods in the human diet.
Plant foods are poor sources of EFAs.
In general, the EFAs in plant foods are in the "wrong" ratio (with the exception of a very few exotic, expensive oils), and the low synthesis rates of EPA, DHA, and other long-chain fatty acids from plant precursors point to plant foods as an "inferior" source of EFAs. This strongly suggests adaptation to foods that include preformed long-chain fatty acids, i.e., fauna.
Taurine synthesis rate.
The low rate of taurine synthesis in humans, compared to that in herbivorous animals, suggests human adaptation to food sources of taurine (fauna) in the human diet.
Slow conversion of beta-carotene.
The sluggish conversion rate of beta-carotene to vitamin A, especially when compared to the conversion rate in herbivorous animals, suggests adaptation to dietary sources of preformed vitamin A (i.e., a diet that includes fauna).
Plant foods available in evolution were poor zinc and iron sources.
The plant foods available during evolution (fruits, vegetative plant parts, nuts, but no grains or legumes) generally provide low amounts of zinc and iron, two essential minerals. These minerals are provided by grains, but grains are products of agriculture (i.e., were not available during evolution), and contain many antinutrients that inhibit mineral absorption. This suggests that the nutritional requirements for iron and zinc were primarily met via animal foods during human evolution.
Bitter taste threshold as a trophic marker.
An analysis of the human bitter taste threshold, when compared to the threshold of other mammals, suggests that our sensitivity to the bitter taste is comparable to that of carnivores/omnivores.
There is no such thing as a veg*n gatherer tribe.
And there are no records to indicate that any such tribes ever existed; also no evidence of any vegan societies either.
The actual diets of all the great apes includes some fauna--animal foods.
Even the great apes that are closest to being completely vegetarian, gorillas, deliberately consume insects when available. Chimps and bonobos, our closest relatives, hunt and kill vertebrates and eat occasional meat.
Many of the ancillary claims made in comparative "proofs" of veg*n diets are logical fallacies:
The misinterpretation of animal studies using domesticated or feedlot meats to condemn all omnivore diets.
The misinterpretation of clinical studies showing negative results for the SAD/SWD as indicating negative results for all omnivore diets.
The misinterpretation of the results of the China Project to claim it "proves" vegan diets are best and all omnivore diets are bad.
John McArdle, Ph.D., an anatomist and primatologist, a vegetarian, and scientific advisor to the American Anti-Vivisection Society, summarizes the situation clearly [McArdle 1996, p. 174]:
" Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns".
http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-9a.shtml0 -
Animals will continue being treated badly, even if half the globe goes vegetarian. Food is not the only thing animals are used for, not to mention that the majority of dwindling animal populations is caused by the destruction of their natural habitat, which in many case has nothing to do with food.
It's a matter of power and abuse of power, not a matter of eating vegetables. Vegetarian agriculture is not void of abuse either. Have you heard of the honey bee problem? Bees are dying out at an alarming rate due to pesticides and fungicides contaminating pollen that bees collect to feed their hives.
Also starting the morning with fruits has to be the worst advice for anyone with even the slightest insulin resistance (and that means anyone who is obese or close to obese). For "skinny *****es" it may be fine, but not for us folks who still have quite a bit of padding. Blood sugar has its highest spike after breakfast, so combining that with lots of sugar and carbs is not a good idea. I myself struggle with this since I'm not a big fan of meat and a very big fan of fruits, so the ball happens to drop quite often.
Now if it's an emotional subject for you and you feel that you are unhappy eating animal products, there are many other great substitutes like almond nut and soy milk, various tofu concoctions, beans.. etc. You will not go hungry being vegetarian or mostly vegetarian. If you do decide to go this route, you will have much more work to do. Poorly planned vegetarian diets can be deficient in vitamin B12, calcium, vitamin D, zinc, iron, and omega 3 fatty acids.0 -
I never TOLD the OP to restrict further, I do not understand how she cannot just substitute her meat calories and nutrients for meat alternatives. Yes I give my opinion, and yes I know that many will not like it, but I also provided reputable sources based on FACTS along with my personal views and opinions. Overall, like you said, you choose to eat animals and I choose not to eat animals.
Yes you did. Telling someone not to eat x is in fact telling someone to further restrict.
The links you have posted are far from facts - opinion pieces, etc..
I don't care whether you eat meat or not - and Sara ... well, you might go look at her diary before you make those accusations.
However, telling someone that has an ED history to restrict food type is unethical, unsound for the site and frankly, if you continue along that path, your posts here will get reported.0 -
I never TOLD the OP to restrict furtherI do not understand how she cannot just substitute her meat calories and nutrients for meat alternatives.
Do you not see the conflict in your own statements or are you choosing to ignore it? Or are you just trolling which generally would be fine by me but we have somebody here who has ED and giving somebody with ED a bad advice is not good. Perhaps before advocating how animals are treated, we should look at how we treat each other. That includes giving bad advice.0 -
I'm vegan, and this book sounds silly. No, a vegetarian diet isn't necessarily healthier. No, skinny and healthy aren't interchangeable.
There are many reasons to go vegetarian or vegan, but believing it would necessarily make you thin/healthy isn't one of them.
People write all sorts of things, both on the internet and in books. Most of them aren't actually certified. If you think your diet isn't good for you, consult a nutritionist.0 -
The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.
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In case the OP is still reading - I recently stopped eating meat (about 8 months ago) and changed to soy or almond milk, the only dairy that I eat is cheese every once in a while. I can tell you that I honestly feel no different than I did when I was eating meat. The air isn't cleaner, my eyes aren't brighter, I don't feel like a new person, etc. I did it for ethical reasons, but I find it much harder to lean out now because it's harder to get your macros in line when your protein comes from a lot of carb sources. Just my two cents.0
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Does the information presented in the book make sense to you and resonate with you? Do your homework, do some fact checking, and if you decide that their guidelines are right for your health and fitness goals then go for it.0
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That seems like a pretty silly way to die.The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.
cruelty free proteins?
rice isn't a protein. neither is buckwheat. It may contain protein- but it's a pale alternative to eating actual meat.
Humans are omnivores- we were built to eat meat. Some people have issues with it- morally and that's fine- but there is absolutely no hard proof that we make ourselves sick eating meat. If we were supposed to be herbivores- we'd have a completely different set up for processing foods... you know- like teeth- that look like bovine or equine teeth- not something that resembles a mix of canine and equine.
OMNIVORE.
Not herbivore.
Evolution trumps your bias "studies"
and I'd rather die of dancer than life in a meatless world. Seriously- steak is delicious. The cow is dead- it doesn't care. Neither does my bacon.
HA- totally slip.
I'd totally be okay dying as a dancer. LOL- easy peasy lemon squeezy.
but yeah- either way- cancer or dancer- still better than dying a meatless boring death!!!0 -
I disagree about humans being biologically omnivorous, but agree to disagree. However, I did not tell the OP to ever restrict further, but rather gave my opinion, like the dozens of other members. Why would eating a meat-free diet cause an ED sensitive person to relapse?
While I have zero problems with someone choosing to follow a veg*n diet or lifestyle, I simply cannot see where someone could reach the bolded conclusion above based on the readily-available information. It suggests that you have not actually looked into the topic, or if you have, that you were very selective in the information you reviewed.
TL;DR - Your arguments will be far more persuasive if you do not dismiss what is known to be true.0 -
The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.
JSF
SASH.
ETA: also, LOL at 18 year old know-it-all with 83 pounds to lose. SMH.0 -
I read the book and I am vegetarian
(not from reading the book ofcourse). They do make you want to just stop eating any kind of animal and animal products. So, I think the book promotes veganism. It also talks about soda being toxic as well, which I found interesting (the fact where they said you could use it for a cleaning agent to get rid of hard *kitten* grim). In the end, I love my carbs too much... but it was a thoughtful read.0 -
OP, to your original question - no. Unless you have been told by a medical professional that you need to cut out meat and dairy from your diet, there's no reason for you to not eat either as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle 0
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That seems like a pretty silly way to die.The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.
cruelty free proteins?
rice isn't a protein. neither is buckwheat. It may contain protein- but it's a pale alternative to eating actual meat.
Humans are omnivores- we were built to eat meat. Some people have issues with it- morally and that's fine- but there is absolutely no hard proof that we make ourselves sick eating meat. If we were supposed to be herbivores- we'd have a completely different set up for processing foods... you know- like teeth- that look like bovine or equine teeth- not something that resembles a mix of canine and equine.
OMNIVORE.
Not herbivore.
Evolution trumps your bias "studies"
and I'd rather die of dancer than life in a meatless world. Seriously- steak is delicious. The cow is dead- it doesn't care. Neither does my bacon.
HA- totally slip.
I'd totally be okay dying as a dancer. LOL- easy peasy lemon squeezy.
but yeah- either way- cancer or dancer- still better than dying a meatless boring death!!!
JoRocka, I agree. And your typo made me chuckle a bit. 0 -
Honestly with a history of eating disorders I'd stay away from anything like this.
I think it's a terrible idea.0 -
personally i find chicken with GMO's tastier due to the chicken tears it sheds being cooped up in a small confining space with other chickens standing on him to maximize space0
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Mostly propaganda written by not healthcare professionals with a clear agenda. Gimmicky name, unprofessional voice throughout, emotional roller coaster, opinions on opinions on opinions with no reliable (keyword) sources on health. Not that it doesn't raise valid points about animal rights issues, but it's got little to do with "skinny" or "health" and mostly just *****ing.
Completely agree. I literally threw the book in the trash because it was so much propaganda. Shame on me for not doing my research before reading it. Everything in moderation.0 -
I read that book.
Tried it for 2 weeks.
I was a b*tch and I pretty much barked at anyone.
Oh and the book has a list of products to buy that are "approved" by them.0 -
That seems like a pretty silly way to die.The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.
cruelty free proteins?
rice isn't a protein. neither is buckwheat. It may contain protein- but it's a pale alternative to eating actual meat.
Humans are omnivores- we were built to eat meat. Some people have issues with it- morally and that's fine- but there is absolutely no hard proof that we make ourselves sick eating meat. If we were supposed to be herbivores- we'd have a completely different set up for processing foods... you know- like teeth- that look like bovine or equine teeth- not something that resembles a mix of canine and equine.
OMNIVORE.
Not herbivore.
Evolution trumps your bias "studies"
and I'd rather die of dancer than life in a meatless world. Seriously- steak is delicious. The cow is dead- it doesn't care. Neither does my bacon.
HA- totally slip.
I'd totally be okay dying as a dancer. LOL- easy peasy lemon squeezy.
but yeah- either way- cancer or dancer- still better than dying a meatless boring death!!!
JoRocka, I agree. And your typo made me chuckle a bit.
NEWSFLASH: The beloved Dancer was recently spotted on a mad killing rampage against all meat eaters. Story at 11.0 -
I disagree about humans being biologically omnivorous, but agree to disagree. However, I did not tell the OP to ever restrict further, but rather gave my opinion, like the dozens of other members. Why would eating a meat-free diet cause an ED sensitive person to relapse?
If you are not familiar at all about EDs or understand about what can trigger people with EDs, then please just stop and leave this thread...NOW.0 -
That seems like a pretty silly way to die.The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.
cruelty free proteins?
rice isn't a protein. neither is buckwheat. It may contain protein- but it's a pale alternative to eating actual meat.
Humans are omnivores- we were built to eat meat. Some people have issues with it- morally and that's fine- but there is absolutely no hard proof that we make ourselves sick eating meat. If we were supposed to be herbivores- we'd have a completely different set up for processing foods... you know- like teeth- that look like bovine or equine teeth- not something that resembles a mix of canine and equine.
OMNIVORE.
Not herbivore.
Evolution trumps your bias "studies"
and I'd rather die of dancer than life in a meatless world. Seriously- steak is delicious. The cow is dead- it doesn't care. Neither does my bacon.
HA- totally slip.
I'd totally be okay dying as a dancer. LOL- easy peasy lemon squeezy.
but yeah- either way- cancer or dancer- still better than dying a meatless boring death!!!
JoRocka, I agree. And your typo made me chuckle a bit.
NEWSFLASH: The beloved Dancer was recently spotted on a mad killing rampage against all meat eaters. Story at 11.
Well, can't help it. Venison stew is the best.0 -
Hey babe! I became vegetarian 6 years ago after watching and reading about the various cruelties that animals are subjected to...just for our tastebuds. After I gave up eating meat and eggs, I lost 25 pounds, my body felt cleaner, and I felt better about myself knowing that I do not support the slaughter of those poor animals. Many people believe that animals are treated well at these "family farms", but it's a sad misconception, if you don't take my word, I suggest you watch the documentary "Meet Your Meat" on YouTube. I know it's really hard to watch, but it's essential, ignorance is not always bliss! It's awesome that you are even considering becoming vegetarian, and I hope you'll make the best choice for your health and the animals.
I'm amazed you seem to care so much about the ethical treatment of animals but seem to care so little about the ethical treatment of the human being you are advising here - the OP.
If you want to make the argument that vegetarianism is a good thing to do on an ethical basis then cool beans.
However trying to effectively scaremonger the OP into doing it when it may not be appropriate for her physiologically but especially psychologically given her previous eating history is not on.
I'm sure you mean well but being able to advise people properly means putting your personal beliefs and biases to one side and assessing the person before you critically to find the correct solutions to their issues depending on their situation.0 -
makes sense that op has an eating disorder because that's literally all that book is. guidelines on how to become a boring orthorexic snob. if you're going to be vegan, that's fine, but don't do it because a couple of ex-models told you it'd make you skinny while calling you a fat pig every few lines.0
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I never TOLD the OP to restrict further, I do not understand how she cannot just substitute her meat calories and nutrients for meat alternatives. Yes I give my opinion, and yes I know that many will not like it, but I also provided reputable sources based on FACTS along with my personal views and opinions. Overall, like you said, you choose to eat animals and I choose not to eat animals.
I've never heard of anyone getting diabetes by eating too many raw vegetables...
LOL, at the end of the day, they are still slaughtering the poor things!
http://www.mercyforanimals.org/investigations.aspx
WHAAAAAT THE HECK?! How in the world am I selfish, I think giving up one the in order to benefit/save others is the exact opposite of being selfish. Whatever, I'm done, because obviously one cannot give her own opinion without being bashed and being called insults.
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