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Apparently many here are in a mood to feel personally attacked today. Which is fine. No sense of humor? Ok. Get angry.
I don't understand all the vehemence over harmless and non-malicious OPINIONS on the internet. But if it works for you guys, go with it.
You are literally the ONLY person on this thread coming across as anything less than cordial.0 -
This. You don't have to eat clean or exercise to lose weight, but fir me eating less processed food and exercising each day has helped me feel loads better. I could not imagine beaver having another processed food, though.
Don't kid yourself... Beaver ate plenty of processed foods, just look at the dinner table for Christ's sake!
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Sarcasm is a lost art... I have attacked no one, I haven't said anyone is a bad person, as I don't believe such a thing over junk food. It is absurd and ridiculous to me to get so defensive over junk food. Food is fuel. I also said "If there was only one good diet, there would be only one diet book."
Table sugar and high fructose corn syrup aren't good for you. Eat it if you want. If it makes you happy. Still isn't good for you.
Apparently many here are in a mood to feel personally attacked today. Which is fine. No sense of humor? Ok. Get angry.
I don't understand all the vehemence over harmless and non-malicious OPINIONS on the internet. But if it works for you guys, go with it. (Which was also something else I said about people who indulge in junk food. Reading comprehension is important. :bigsmile: )
Go on and have a fabulous day. You all should go eat an Oreo and bowl of ice cream, I hope it makes you feel better. :flowerforyou:
I don't think you said that junk food was unhealthy, but there is a difference between something not being good for you and something being unhealthy. That's what annoys me. An Oatmeal Cream Pie isn't unhealthy. Is it good for you? Probably not physically (mentally yes
, but that doesn't mean it's unhealthy. 0 -
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Don't kid yourself... Beaver ate plenty of processed foods, just look at the dinner table for Christ's sake!
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Sarcasm is a lost art... I have attacked no one, I haven't said anyone is a bad person, as I don't believe such a thing over junk food. It is absurd and ridiculous to me to get so defensive over junk food. Food is fuel. I also said "If there was only one good diet, there would be only one diet book."
Table sugar and high fructose corn syrup aren't good for you. Eat it if you want. If it makes you happy. Still isn't good for you.
Apparently many here are in a mood to feel personally attacked today. Which is fine. No sense of humor? Ok. Get angry.
I don't understand all the vehemence over harmless and non-malicious OPINIONS on the internet. But if it works for you guys, go with it. (Which was also something else I said about people who indulge in junk food. Reading comprehension is important. :bigsmile: )
Go on and have a fabulous day. You all should go eat an Oreo and bowl of ice cream, I hope it makes you feel better. :flowerforyou:
Well I'll be, someone on MFP actually did tell other people to go eat cookies and ice cream. Sure, it backfired miserably and it was one of the clean eaters telling people to do it, but it's cause to celebrate!
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Post fail... Thanks guys!0 -
Hey All,
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I hope you ALL are successful in your Fitness Journeys! There is no TRICK or Fad way to get results. You gotta want it! You gotta push yourself to eat clean and exercise. Best of Luck to all of you!
xo
Katie
I think I love you. In a purely platonic, non-sexual way.
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So Oreos, Doritos and other chips, ice cream, candy bars, fast food french fries, and etc aren't junk food?
Right...gotta bridge to sell ya in Antarctica...
Lie: (noun) "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.."
Certainly we are all literate enough to figure out "lying to yourself."
If you're talking to me, then I'll answer.
I didn't say those foods aren't "junk" foods. I understand enough about people to get what they generally mean by the term "junk" food. To me, they're just foods, tasty foods that keep my mental health above par enough so I don't go on a murdering spree.Like I said, tell yourself what you want. Nobody is taking your crack....er...I mean "junk food" away from you. Take it easy. Nobody's gonna make you go to rehab.
You're the person who're telling me what I'm eating is "filth" and "crack". All I did was admit that the generally accepted definition of "junk" food is what I eat.
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one of the mods said it in the 3rd reply of this very thread!
but i agree with everything else you said
No i did not say you have to eat junk to lose weight. I will quote what I said:You don' t have to eat clean to be fit or healthy.
My definition of nutrient dense foods include stuff like bacon, sausages, breads, dairy, canned foods like tuna fish, frozen veggies, etc.. ... all stuff that most clean eaters consider not clean. Like I said, there is a huge difference between clean and nutrient dense. Heck, I can eat chipotle, wendy's, chickfila, potbelly's and etc.. and still hit my macro and micronutrient goals. I know this because I do it frequently. But when I do all those places, I still eat fruit and veggies during the day.0 -
OP Here... awesome debate going on (for the most part) And I can definitely see what some of you are saying.... let me clear something up.
My original post was to just warn people to be careful when their "friends and acquaintances" come up to them making false claims about products that cause something that is probably too good to be true.
The whole part about eating clean and exercise got taken a weeeee bit out of context.
Is eating clean... aka.... less processed and nutrient dense food without added fake products to add flavor a good thing? YES!
Do you have to eat that way 100% of the time to get results? NO! (Shoot... I'm Italian, I love a good slice of pizza and some decadent desserts myself sometimes... and OH the wine!) But for the most part, I try to eat healthy foods. I like to look at nutrition labels and be able to pronounce most of the ingredients. (But as I said.... we ALL deserve cheat treats!)
Is exercise good for you? YES! But it doesn't always have to be in terms of "going to the gym." Just being active is healthy, so go walk your dogs, play tennis, volleyball on the beach, or run stadiums (etc etc) just get that heart rate up and feel amazing!
Do you need to exercise everyday to get results? Again... no, just making small improvements in your daily life will help you get results. I am talking HEALTHY results. I could literally stop lifting weights and lose a bunch of weight... but that weight would be muscle. There is a thing such as skinny fat... so again, I don't judge people soley based on appearance.
Just be healthy and confident! Small steps are better than no steps. Good Luck to you all! xo
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i define eating clean as eating nutrient dense foods, which to me is really the only logical definition, pretty much anything else is just based off of broscience
But that definition makes no sense to me (and is inconsistent with the one I've gotten from plenty of "clean eating" proponents on this forum). Clean = not dirty--it's about not eating certain things. It's not the same as eating healthy, which I assume most people, including those of us who see "clean eating" as a fad, are in favor of. It's an assertion that it's bad and inherently unhealthy to eat whatever foods are defined as "not clean." And of course that definition is by no means a consistent one.0 -
There's no proof that eating "clean" will make you healthy either. But then, I'm a "dirty", "fake" food eater with bad health, so what do I know? I'm mostly in for the arguing later.
^this
Show me the support that eating "clean" improves health and i'll jump on the bandwagon. Until then, please stop spreading misinformation.0 -
in cause science0
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Literally in 10 minutes last night I saw 3 commercials flipping thru the channels... amazing that people DONT have money to join a gym (but they could by free weights and do them at home) - dont have money for bills, utilities.. but they can spend 3 payments of 39.99 + shipping and handling for trash can fillers......No miracles out there.. not even for the wealthy.....0
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Meh, you don't HAVE to.
I just crushed up 3 Oreos and put them in my greek yogurt, and I'm losing weight pretty consistently.
Two weeks ago I went the entire week without exercise because I was super lazy, and I still lost that week.
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Would have been a nice post without the clean....
Never mind..0 -
Like I said, tell yourself what you want. Nobody is taking your crack....er...I mean "junk food" away from you. Take it easy. Nobody's gonna make you go to rehab.
I bet you're glad that bacon isn't processed, right?0 -
OP Here... awesome debate going on (for the most part) And I can definitely see what some of you are saying.... let me clear something up.
My original post was to just warn people to be careful when their "friends and acquaintances" come up to them making false claims about products that cause something that is probably too good to be true.
The whole part about eating clean and exercise got taken a weeeee bit out of context.
Is eating clean... aka.... less processed and nutrient dense food without added fake products to add flavor a good thing? YES!
Do you have to eat that way 100% of the time to get results? NO! (Shoot... I'm Italian, I love a good slice of pizza and some decadent desserts myself sometimes... and OH the wine!) But for the most part, I try to eat healthy foods. I like to look at nutrition labels and be able to pronounce most of the ingredients. (But as I said.... we ALL deserve cheat treats!)
Is exercise good for you? YES! But it doesn't always have to be in terms of "going to the gym." Just being active is healthy, so go walk your dogs, play tennis, volleyball on the beach, or run stadiums (etc etc) just get that heart rate up and feel amazing!
Do you need to exercise everyday to get results? Again... no, just making small improvements in your daily life will help you get results. I am talking HEALTHY results. I could literally stop lifting weights and lose a bunch of weight... but that weight would be muscle. There is a thing such as skinny fat... so again, I don't judge people soley based on appearance.
Just be healthy and confident! Small steps are better than no steps. Good Luck to you all! xo
Katie
Are you suggesting that there's a negative consequence to eating pizza? Wouldn't that depend on context and dosage of said pizza? There's no reason pizza can't be healthy.
I don't necessarily disagree with some of your general points, but you're not articulating the specifics very well.0 -
OP, please name some of these "fake foods" so we have a definition to work with.0
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im in full agreement with you. people here too often take "you can eat whatever and lose weight" to mean "you can eat whatever and be healthy". you'll hear that you dont need to eat healthy here quite frequently
theres also the unclear definition of healthy or clean foods to be considered but i think for the most part its obvious whats healthy and what isnt
Can I get a HELL YEAH??!! I was having a similar argument on a thread yesterday, with core question of whether to weigh and measure food. Most don't seem to agree to. "I ate what I wanted and didn't measure and I lost weight" Bully for you, but as you look at the most successful people with a healthy loss at a steady rate, with the best chance of maintaining, there is a common denominator. They don't fight with the main recipe to a healthy weight and body. From what I gather it is:
1. Find your TDEE and use it to figure weight loss, gain or maintenance.
2. Hit your macros and figured calories for your goal
3. Buy whole foods and make it yourself most of the time
4. Measure most of what you eat until you gain a good handle on your portions (or like heavy handed me, forever)
5. Exercise for speed, strength, mobility, endurance, and looking good if that's your thing. Not necessarily to lose weight.
6. Do not fall for quick or temporary fixes.
Boom! Done! Simple as that.
Can you lose on pills, cleanses, body treatment, flushes and/or junk food in small quantities? Sure. But you lie to yourself if you think your body is going to be in its most healthy state if you go about it like that. Plus the higher likelihood of being "skinny fat" or regaining what you lost.0 -
And this...
is why you shouldn't take nutritional advice from PTs.0 -
If someone says "clean" diet, I generally assume they mean the following (unless, of course, they've specified that there is a reason to exclude one or more of the following):
lean meats, a variety of vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, legumes, dairy, and whole grains.
However, for someone to immediately demonize any "unclean" or "junk" foods is a little unfair. Many people consider ice cream as "junk food" but I make it myself at home with cream, whole milk, sugar and vanilla extract. Not a single one of those ingredients is considered not "clean" and the only additional processing (you know, after milking the cow, pasteurizing the milk, refining the sugar from cane sugar, extracting the vanilla from vanilla beans...) is the freezing process in the ice cream maker. This is why I don't really pay much attention to people demonizing many "junk" foods off the top without a complete dietary profile.
I personally don't keep many "processed" foods in the house other than things like steel cut oats (processed - I don't just get a bunch of freshly cut oat from a field someplace and do it myself) and make treats from scratch. Does that mean I eat "cleaner" than other people who have other kinds of treats sometimes? No. Does that mean I eat less "clean" than people who never have treats? No. The only major difference is I don't tend to have many artificial preservatives other than refrigeration and that's mainly because my family just finds that homemade treats taste better.
Perfectly put. Not 100% of everything you consume has to be "clean". Just COMMON SENSE choosing how much, how often and how junky the unclean stuff is.0 -
I bet you're glad that bacon isn't processed, right?
Never said anything about "processed," but thanks for playing. Reading comprehension.0 -
Can I get a HELL YEAH??!! I was having a similar argument on a thread yesterday, with core question of whether to weigh and measure food. Most don't seem to agree to. "I ate what I wanted and didn't measure and I lost weight" Bully for you, but as you look at the most successful people with a healthy loss at a steady rate, with the best chance of maintaining, there is a common denominator. They don't fight with the main recipe to a healthy weight and body. From what I gather it is:
1. Find your TDEE and use it to figure weight loss, gain or maintenance.
2. Hit your macros and figured calories for your goal
3. Buy whole foods and make it yourself most of the time
4. Measure most of what you eat until you gain a good handle on your portions (or like heavy handed me, forever)
5. Exercise for speed, strength, mobility, endurance, and looking good if that's your thing. Not necessarily to lose weight.
6. Do not fall for quick or temporary fixes.
Boom! Done! Simple as that.
Can you lose on pills, cleanses, body treatment, flushes and/or junk food in small quantities? Sure. But you lie to yourself if you think your body is going to be in its most healthy state if you go about it like that. Plus the higher likelihood of being "skinny fat" or regaining what you lost.
Let's not confuse an approach that works with an approach that is arguably optimal. Not everyone is training for the Olympics.0 -
Maybe you can practice your reading skills on the forum guidelines.
Never said anything about "processed," but thanks for playing. Reading comprehension.
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I don't think I have ever seen anyone say you don't need to eat nutrient dense foods for your health. EVER. I have seen them say it's unimportant for weight loss. I think that's where the controversy comes in but they're not saying you shouldn't eat those foods. A good example of the "clean" problem is the lunch I just had. I ate an egg salad sandwich on whole wheat bread with a side of grape tomatoes. In my opinion, a decent lunch. But it wasn't "clean" by some definitions because I had bread and there was Miracle Whip in the egg salad. I don't think there was anything wrong with my lunch (feel free to share if you believe otherwise LOL) but to someone trying their heart out to eat clean, such a simple little meal is "wrong." And that's where people warn of unsustainability. Because a lot of people will get caught up in trying to eat perfectly and feel like giving up when they eat a "bad" food. All people are saying is that we should stop trying to meet some definition of "clean," eat nutrient dense food most of the time and not freak out about having some "junk" in our diet, even on a regular basis.
Very well put. I say "whole" foods just because it's easier to say or type than "nutrient dense" foods. But, then again, I can be lazy. And I really am over hearing the words" Clean Eating", even if it is a fairly good guideline for repairing poor dietary habits. Said it before, say it again; How about common sense eating the majority of the time. The good ol' 80/20 rule works wonders.0 -
Never said anything about "processed," but thanks for playing. Reading comprehension.
You may not be saying it, but plenty on your side of this argument are...
...but I'll play along.
How do you define "junk food"?
Can a person eat any amount of "junk food" (as defined by you) and still be optimally healthy? If so, what is that amount?Table sugar and high fructose corn syrup aren't good for you.
I guess those are a couple of your "junk foods". Do you truly believe that there is no amount of table sugar that is healthy? What exactly do you believe is special about table sugar that makes it inherently unhealthy?
Oh, and before you make that "everyone is so touchy" leap again, I am not even slightly agitated.0 -
I'm not sure I understand this whole rant about "processing" foods. Are we talking about things like Twinkies or HoHos? How does this get expended to include potato chips and ice cream? One is just thin slivers of potato fried in oil and the other is cream, eggs and whatever flavours you want.
I had two Weetabix biscuits for breakfast this morning with whole milk and blueberries - they would be processed as they are in biscuit shape and packaged - are they "bad" for me?
I had ranch dressing with my broccoli, snap peas and cherry tomatoes - by definition processed.
I made dill pickles and canned peaches in thin syrup and my wife made bread and butter pickles and chutney. Are these not by definition processed?
Heck - if I open a tin of beans they've been processed.
I read in NROL that his definition of clean is anything you can still tell what the original food was. (paraphrasing for brevity). Make's sense to me. However I just eat food. I'm not a big fan of fast food, but then I worked in the restaurant biz for a very loooonnnnggggg time.0 -
I don't think you said that junk food was unhealthy, but there is a difference between something not being good for you and something being unhealthy. That's what annoys me. An Oatmeal Cream Pie isn't unhealthy. Is it good for you? Probably not physically (mentally yes, but that doesn't mean it's unhealthy.
Actually I did say that.PSA: Junk food isn't healthy food. You can say it as many times as you want, but it isn't healthy. Sure, if you have the right kind of body, you can burn off all that filth you eat and remain mostly healthy, but junk food still isn't healthy food.
unhealthy: 'harmful to health." "not having or showing good health."
I'm having trouble understanding how something that is not physically good for you, is not unhealthy.
But whatever. Clearly, I hold the minority opinion here. That's fine. I have other things to do. Good luck sorting it all out. I'm sure you'll find the right of it.0
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