Be Smart... don't fall for Fads and scams :)

:noway: That was not the post I was referring to... it was before that. But thank you for the lecture. :drinker:

And again... this is a message board and I take it as such. I am NOT worried about being "Scoffed at by those who saw this and see what you are about" I have legitimate tips and advice regarding fitness and health. I have made other comments on other posts and have had no negativity yet (Though I'm sure some of you are jumping at the chance :laugh: ). As I stated in a previous post. I had NO IDEA that "clean" was a buzzword. I have never heard that before until I came on here. I also stated above that I won't use it and be more careful which terms I use to make a point (even if that was NOT the point in the first place).

Your welcome, I typically pull out my mom voice when running into people who are acting like teenagers who have read the book of all...can't help it I have one at home.

As for your others posts do you mean on your "other" profile because on this profile you have 2 posts...this one you started and one you commented on about how people lose weight differently in which you didn't spout nonsense.

That is the point I was trying to make. It is a simple word that SOME people use to generally mean healthy food. The word "healthy" can ALSO have multiple meanings since healthy means different things to different people. It's just a simple word to use to describe natural foods. It does NOT mean that all unnatural foods are dirty or unhealthy. Thank you for reading the post the way it was meant and not reading into something I never intended to. Unfortunately, reading things on the internet can easily be misconstrued and for that I do not blame others for disagreeing with that term. I do however disagree with those who got rude about it though to try and make a point... when we were pretty much saying the same thing. Once I explained that I did not mean it as a 100% thing, I would have thought they would back off. Persistence is key I guess. Thanks for your reply!

As for this...then that's the point you should have made...I read the words and take them for their meaning in context. We can't read minds and know what you "intended" we can only go by what is typed out and that doesn't mean it was misconstrued...

because even now you are spouting about "eating clean" even if it's 80% of the time which is well...what you just aren't getting.

There is no clean or dirty, no natural or unnatural food...it's all fuel and can be used for various things. Pizza is a good fuel, lean chicken breast is good fuel, heck a donut is good fuel and the fiber1 peanut butter brownie I am about to eat is good fuel...

So since persistence is key get this...clean eating and exercise is not the key to weight loss, eating in a calorie deficit is, eating nutrient dense foods and exercise is for health and you can still be fat eating "clean" and "exercising" if you are not in a calorie deficit

Well... sorry but I am going to completely disagree with you. I agree that I should have been more cautious with the chosen word and described myself better. So in that aspect you are right.

But if you honestly tell me that health and losing weight is ONLY about being in a calorie deficit and you basically stated that ALL calories are created equal then I COMPLETELY utterly disagree.

That is like telling people they can eat 2 donuts a day but since they are under their calorie amount they will lose weight. :noway:

Anorexics lose weight because they obviously are in a calorie deficit. Does that make them healthy? Healthy does NOT always mean being in a calorie deficit. And YES a calorie is a calorie and to lose weight one must burn 3500. I get it. But some calories are "empty" and pose no nutritional value to help the cells in your body burn fat, metabolize food, and maintain muscle.

Do you honestly believe that a slice of pizza is as healthy as a chicken breast? Is pizza a demon? NO... and people should be able to ENJOY pizza. But if your sake of argument is that to be healthy and lose weight, a person only has to eat less calories... then you are way off base.

...clean eating and exercise is not the key to weight loss, eating in a calorie deficit is, eating nutrient dense foods and exercise is for health and you can still be fat eating "clean" and "exercising" if you are not in a calorie deficit

:noway: That was not the post I was referring to... it was before that. But thank you for the lecture. :drinker:

And again... this is a message board and I take it as such. I am NOT worried about being "Scoffed at by those who saw this and see what you are about" I have legitimate tips and advice regarding fitness and health. I have made other comments on other posts and have had no negativity yet (Though I'm sure some of you are jumping at the chance :laugh: ). As I stated in a previous post. I had NO IDEA that "clean" was a buzzword. I have never heard that before until I came on here. I also stated above that I won't use it and be more careful which terms I use to make a point (even if that was NOT the point in the first place).

Your welcome, I typically pull out my mom voice when running into people who are acting like teenagers who have read the book of all...can't help it I have one at home.

As for your others posts do you mean on your "other" profile because on this profile you have 2 posts...this one you started and one you commented on about how people lose weight differently in which you didn't spout nonsense.

That is the point I was trying to make. It is a simple word that SOME people use to generally mean healthy food. The word "healthy" can ALSO have multiple meanings since healthy means different things to different people. It's just a simple word to use to describe natural foods. It does NOT mean that all unnatural foods are dirty or unhealthy. Thank you for reading the post the way it was meant and not reading into something I never intended to. Unfortunately, reading things on the internet can easily be misconstrued and for that I do not blame others for disagreeing with that term. I do however disagree with those who got rude about it though to try and make a point... when we were pretty much saying the same thing. Once I explained that I did not mean it as a 100% thing, I would have thought they would back off. Persistence is key I guess. Thanks for your reply!

As for this...then that's the point you should have made...I read the words and take them for their meaning in context. We can't read minds and know what you "intended" we can only go by what is typed out and that doesn't mean it was misconstrued...

because even now you are spouting about "eating clean" even if it's 80% of the time which is well...what you just aren't getting.

There is no clean or dirty, no natural or unnatural food...it's all fuel and can be used for various things. Pizza is a good fuel, lean chicken breast is good fuel, heck a donut is good fuel and the fiber1 peanut butter brownie I am about to eat is good fuel...

So since persistence is key get this...clean eating and exercise is not the key to weight loss, eating in a calorie deficit is, eating nutrient dense foods and exercise is for health and you can still be fat eating "clean" and "exercising" if you are not in a calorie deficit

Well... sorry but I am going to completely disagree with you. I agree that I should have been more cautious with the chosen word and described myself better. So in that aspect you are right. But if you honestly tell me that health and losing weight is ONLY about being in a calorie deficit and you basically stated that ALL calories are created equal then I COMPLETELY utterly disagree. That is like telling people they can eat 2 donuts a day but since they are under their calorie amount they will lose weight. :noway: Anorexics lose weight because they obviously are in a calorie deficit. Does that make them healthy? Healthy does NOT always mean being in a calorie deficit. And YES a calorie is a calorie and to lose weight one must burn 3500. I get it. But some calories are "empty" and pose no nutritional value to help the cells in your body burn fat, metabolize food, and maintain muscle. Do you honestly believe that a slice of pizza is as healthy as a chicken breast? Is pizza a demon? NO... and people should be able to ENJOY pizza. But if your sake of argument is that to be healthy and lose weight, a person only has to eat less calories... then you are way off base.

And this is where we cycle back around to you missing the point most of the people in this thread are trying to make.

Also, depending on the pizza, a slice could actually be healthier than the chicken breast.

Many Fitness Magazines, PT's, and these fitness conferences are kind of a scam and fad as well. A lot of the things you have been citing as your reference for your knowledge are part of the scams currently going around. They just aren't as easy (for some) to see right away that they are a scam.

ETA: (for some)

^^^^ Kale Candy Bars PEOPLE! Lets argue about that too! This is almost fun.

Clearly... I have NO Idea what I'm talking about. My body must show for it along with my clients.

Anyone that wants to have an adult debate with me can send me a message and I will start to be serious about this and give my insights and actually listen to yours. Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.

Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::

Kale Candy Kale Candy!

<hate that I have to stoop this low, but I think its the only way some of you can understand>

Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing? One of you went on to say "Yeah pizza is better than chicken" and "Ohhh well it can be if its made with this and this" PEOPLE... its a basic comparison of typical pizza and typical chicken. We could literally argue about EVERYTHING if you go that route. I mean really??? YES OBVIOUSLY someone can make their own version of healthy pizza... but I'm saying for purpose of message boards... IN GENERAL CHICKEN IS HEALTHIER THAN PIZZA! oh my goodness LOL I'm literally shocked right now how some of you are SO QUICK to try and prove me wrong that you literally are fighting every point I make- when you know very well that if you ask just about ANYONE they would agree.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I said that pizza can be healthier than chicken. I'm not trying to jump on you or prove you wrong. I read everything that I write and I like to believe that I understand it, even if the point doesn't always come across like I think it will. I also did you the favor of not once shouting at you in this thread, so your choice to do so is unappreciated.

You never replied to my earlier post about food fear on these boards, so I don't know if you read it or not. I'll revisit it quickly. There are a lot of people who become obsessed with only eating the healthiest diet possible. When we make false comparisons like this it hurts those lurking who have this sort of mindset. I say that chicken is not necessarily healthier than pizza because it's not. Let me shout that because it bears repeating: CHICKEN IS NOT NECESSARILY HEALTHIER THAN PIZZA.

The general idea that I'm trying to get across is that literally nothing is healthier than anything else unless you look at it in the context of someone's diet. A diet is healthy or unhealthy. A food by itself is neither. Pizza has veggies, crust, cheese, and meat (in most cases). It's a full meal. One could live on pizza and have a relatively decent diet. Even take-out pizza. A chicken breast is just meat. It's mostly just a good source of protein. It's not something that you'd want to live on by itself for the rest of your life. That doesn't make pizza healthier. That doesn't make chicken breast healthier.

Drop the comparisons. Drop the labels. Talk to people instead of yelling at them and insinuating that they're uneducated or just trying to pick a fight. It really will help you out in the long run.

I'm curious, not bashing just genuinely curious. You have stated over and over that people keep bringing up that you used "clean" when that wasn't even what your post was about. You said it though and it was part of your post. Why wouldn't people harp on that if it is something that they find offense with? Also I'm curious why you felt the need to come on here and post your public service announcement? Do you honestly think that people don't know about these scams already? The people that would buy into them aren't people that would listen to your warning anyways. It looks like this was one of your first post's ever on this forum what prompted you to do this today? I'm honestly just wondering your thought process. Not in a bad way just wanting to find out where you are coming from on this.

(As in saying I said they MUST ONLY eat clean foods... and never eat unhealthy foods. Which I clearly CLEARLY stated that I eat them too).

You did it again. You're killing me, Smalls.

Did what? Read carefully what I wrote... that was about what others said, not myself.

Man, harsh group towards someone just trying to warn people about health/fitness scams that I see daily. Isn't this a Heath and fitness forum to share tips, advice, etc? I'll say it again... MYYYYY BADDDD for using a common word. My Baddd that it got taken in the wrong context. MY BAD for wishing you all a healthy journey. I mean clearly I don't know what I'm talking about :huh:
To those who sent me private messages supporting my post. Thank you Glad I could help. I have no regrets about what I said other than using a word that basically took all meaning away from what I was actually getting at. :laugh:

You can't suggest eating healthy food around here without sending the yahoos into a tizzy.

They like their junk food and they don't want to hear that it might not be healthy.

They cannot be convinced that such a thing as junk food exists, much less hat it might be bad for them.

It was nice of you to try to help people. . But, some people cannot be helped. There are none so blind.

Leave them be.

And yes I believe pizza is as good as lean chicken..maybe more so as it has more macros than chicken and hits lots of micros...esp if it's delux with veggies and cheese and meats.

and some are empty calories that get stored as fat!