Be Smart... don't fall for Fads and scams :)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thank you for completely proving my point ^^^

Time to workout again!





"Hyenas don't take down lions."

Let me preface this post by saying that I'm primarily a lurker, and always swore that I'd remain as such. But you, OP, are that ever so persistent internet creature that I cannot resist: the "expert". In my travels (professional and non), I've met many like you. The "fitness experts", the personal trainers, the "enthusiasts" with their anecdotal "evidence" that means less than zero...I could go on. Hard science matters, not personal experience.

I'll boil down the dissonance for you:

"Clean eating" doesn't inherently mean anything. It's a marketing term at best and worst. However, the individual can assign whatever definition they please. Many people do it for various reasons: to feel superior, to sound important and/or "educated" amongst their peers, and so forth. "Clean eating" can mean eating only organic foods, eating only GMO-free foods (not attempting to start a discussion on that, so let's not go there), eating no animal products, eating no processed foods, and so forth.

This is where the problem lies. You are using extremely broad terms to define what can only be determined by the individual. Perhaps in your professional community this is a common term. Fine. But when you are joining another community (even where there might be professional individuals similar to yourself) you CANNOT use the same broad terms and expect others to explicitly understand what you mean. This is the internet, where discussions are simply blocks of text and emoji. There is no nuance such as tone of voice, facial expression, etc. People cannot know your thought processes, even if they've had the same exact training and professional experience as you. This is where writing in a fashion that is clear, concise and appropriate to the group you're speaking to becomes essential. I would imagine what you meant by "clean eating" was eating foods that contain essential nutrients (if applicable to the individual): produce, lean meat/proteins, whole grains, dairy, etc. I think most rational people can agree on that point.

BUT.

Again, even if that's what you meant...it's not what was SAID. That's where everything went sideways. If you had seen that the initial problem was just a lack of written clarity, this would not have spiraled out of control the way it did.

Your next mistake was resorting to ad hominem, claims of "bullying", people "being sensitive"/"negative" and mocking people using emoji and generally being petulant. I recognize that these things happen to the best of us and come from places where we feel frustrated and attacked. That being said, we're all adults here. Disagreements happen, and they aren't personal. Someone disagreeing with what verbiage you choose isn't about your character as a person. It makes your argument appear illogical and you a person who isn't to be taken seriously.

The "debate" about pizza being better/worse than chicken is silly, and I think you know that. Chicken can be made "unhealthy" and pizza can be made "healthy" (in quotation marks purposely). No one is saying that one is inherently better than the other, as food dichotomies do everyone a disservice. The nonsense about 800 calories of donuts and candy bars made of kale is unnecessary, and you're attempting to have a laugh while being incredibly condescending to people who are attempting to discuss this topic with you. This tack is also not one that lends credence to your words. I think you initially meant well, weren't as clear as you should be (which is a forgivable mistake), things deteriorated rapidly and now here we are.

Start over. Be clear and type precisely what you mean. It'll help you avoid stuff like this from happening in the future.

That said, I'm going back to lurking.

Good luck.

Any other day I would probably just let this thread die, but I'm on cold medicine today and the OP has rubbed me the wrong way. So, as this thread comes to an end, let's review some of the things the OP has said about us all, shall we? It's like a beautiful little snark poem:

My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!

They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad:

So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick:

its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response.

I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject.

I really figured with age people would grow out of mockery

Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing?

Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.

Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::

Thank you for not just "attacking" like the herd and actually putting thought into your post even if we might have some disagreements on the content.

And now I'm due for another dose and a nap.

Haha, nice! Feel better :flowerforyou:

The OP didn't just feel attacked.

The OP was attacked, mocked, insulted and patronized.

I saw it and I didn't even see a lot of the posts, so it's probably worse than I know.

Goooood Morning Everyone! :happy:

http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/

TL;DR:
"It’s not an attempt to bash anyone for following any type of restrictive, or rules-based diet, like Paleo, Atkins, Primal, Dukan, or whatever, and it’s certainly not meant to encourage people to base their diets around junk foods.

What it hopefully serves to do, however, is to make you realise that there’s much, much more to a diet than good vs. bad foods. You needn’t cut out any food when trying to lose fat"