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:noway: That was not the post I was referring to... it was before that. But thank you for the lecture. :drinker:

And again... this is a message board and I take it as such. I am NOT worried about being "Scoffed at by those who saw this and see what you are about" I have legitimate tips and advice regarding fitness and health. I have made other comments on other posts and have had no negativity yet (Though I'm sure some of you are jumping at the chance :laugh: ). As I stated in a previous post. I had NO IDEA that "clean" was a buzzword. I have never heard that before until I came on here. I also stated above that I won't use it and be more careful which terms I use to make a point (even if that was NOT the point in the first place).

Your welcome, I typically pull out my mom voice when running into people who are acting like teenagers who have read the book of all...can't help it I have one at home.

As for your others posts do you mean on your "other" profile because on this profile you have 2 posts...this one you started and one you commented on about how people lose weight differently in which you didn't spout nonsense.

That is the point I was trying to make. It is a simple word that SOME people use to generally mean healthy food. The word "healthy" can ALSO have multiple meanings since healthy means different things to different people. It's just a simple word to use to describe natural foods. It does NOT mean that all unnatural foods are dirty or unhealthy. Thank you for reading the post the way it was meant and not reading into something I never intended to. Unfortunately, reading things on the internet can easily be misconstrued and for that I do not blame others for disagreeing with that term. I do however disagree with those who got rude about it though to try and make a point... when we were pretty much saying the same thing. Once I explained that I did not mean it as a 100% thing, I would have thought they would back off. Persistence is key I guess. Thanks for your reply!

As for this...then that's the point you should have made...I read the words and take them for their meaning in context. We can't read minds and know what you "intended" we can only go by what is typed out and that doesn't mean it was misconstrued...

because even now you are spouting about "eating clean" even if it's 80% of the time which is well...what you just aren't getting.

There is no clean or dirty, no natural or unnatural food...it's all fuel and can be used for various things. Pizza is a good fuel, lean chicken breast is good fuel, heck a donut is good fuel and the fiber1 peanut butter brownie I am about to eat is good fuel...

So since persistence is key get this...clean eating and exercise is not the key to weight loss, eating in a calorie deficit is, eating nutrient dense foods and exercise is for health and you can still be fat eating "clean" and "exercising" if you are not in a calorie deficit

Well... sorry but I am going to completely disagree with you. I agree that I should have been more cautious with the chosen word and described myself better. So in that aspect you are right. But if you honestly tell me that health and losing weight is ONLY about being in a calorie deficit and you basically stated that ALL calories are created equal then I COMPLETELY utterly disagree. That is like telling people they can eat 2 donuts a day but since they are under their calorie amount they will lose weight. :noway: Anorexics lose weight because they obviously are in a calorie deficit. Does that make them healthy? Healthy does NOT always mean being in a calorie deficit. And YES a calorie is a calorie and to lose weight one must burn 3500. I get it. But some calories are "empty" and pose no nutritional value to help the cells in your body burn fat, metabolize food, and maintain muscle. Do you honestly believe that a slice of pizza is as healthy as a chicken breast? Is pizza a demon? NO... and people should be able to ENJOY pizza. But if your sake of argument is that to be healthy and lose weight, a person only has to eat less calories... then you are way off base.

Yes, a person can eat two donuts a day, be healthy, and lose weight if they are in a calorie deficit. Some people can even do it while also hitting their RDA for micronutrients and manage to hit all their macros. It all depends on your TDEE.

ETA: Take a look at the diet of Olympic athletes. Michael Phelps had an extremely high calorie requirement, openly admitted to eating fast food regularly, and he won how many medals? Are we going to call him unhealthy?

:noway: When I said about the eating two donuts a day... I was saying ONLY 2 donuts a day... So even though they are under their calorie allotment, they aren't getting their other nutrients so it is not considered healthy. If someone is getting there nutrients and under calories, then it would be different. Not everything is just about calories (Yes I know that to burn 1 lb of fat you need to burn 3500 calories) , there are also fats, carbs, sodium, protein etc that can change the shape of your body. It isn't all just about calories in vs. calories out if you care about overall health rather than just weight loss. For example: Muscle needs protein to rebuild and strengthen. 2 Donuts alone per day might equal say 1000 calories (just picking a number here) so while you may lose "weight" since you are under calories, you are still putting fatty foods in your body which affects glycogen, blood sugar, insulin,etc which all in turn can be stored as fat rather than energy. Its not so simple as just monitoring calories. I wouldn't want people to focus just on getting skinny or losing weight, but rather learning about portions, healthy whole foods, exercise, strength training etc.. Let's focus on feeling GOOD! :happy:

My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!

They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad:

So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick:

its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response.

I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject.

I really figured with age people would grow out of mockery

Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing?

Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.

Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::

Thank you for not just "attacking" like the herd and actually putting thought into your post even if we might have some disagreements on the content.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thank you for completely proving my point ^^^

Time to workout again!





"Hyenas don't take down lions."

The OP didn't just feel attacked.

The OP was attacked, mocked, insulted and patronized.

I saw it and I didn't even see a lot of the posts, so it's probably worse than I know.

Any other day I would probably just let this thread die, but I'm on cold medicine today and the OP has rubbed me the wrong way. So, as this thread comes to an end, let's review some of the things the OP has said about us all, shall we? It's like a beautiful little snark poem:

My friend and I last night were laughing at the "Hysteria" people made over a such simple word!

They need to get overrrr it. It is NOT that big of a deal, no reason to cry over it. :sad:

So many snobby people on this so called friendly health/fitness site... pretty sad actually. :sick:

its almost pathetic the bullying that goes on in here it shouldn't even warrant a response.

I don't plan on going anywhere, and ready to actually discuss the topic at hand without silly naysayers, negative nancy's, and sensitive sally's changing the subject.

I really figured with age people would grow out of mockery

Do you really listen/read what some of you are writing?

Right now all I hear is blah blah blah since so many of you are arguing and knit picking every little thing.

Ohhh I get it... YOU all are the experts... OOPS My bad lol. :::eye roll:::

Thank you for not just "attacking" like the herd and actually putting thought into your post even if we might have some disagreements on the content.

And now I'm due for another dose and a nap.

Haha, nice! Feel better :flowerforyou:

Let me preface this post by saying that I'm primarily a lurker, and always swore that I'd remain as such. But you, OP, are that ever so persistent internet creature that I cannot resist: the "expert". In my travels (professional and non), I've met many like you. The "fitness experts", the personal trainers, the "enthusiasts" with their anecdotal "evidence" that means less than zero...I could go on. Hard science matters, not personal experience.

I'll boil down the dissonance for you:

"Clean eating" doesn't inherently mean anything. It's a marketing term at best and worst. However, the individual can assign whatever definition they please. Many people do it for various reasons: to feel superior, to sound important and/or "educated" amongst their peers, and so forth. "Clean eating" can mean eating only organic foods, eating only GMO-free foods (not attempting to start a discussion on that, so let's not go there), eating no animal products, eating no processed foods, and so forth.

This is where the problem lies. You are using extremely broad terms to define what can only be determined by the individual. Perhaps in your professional community this is a common term. Fine. But when you are joining another community (even where there might be professional individuals similar to yourself) you CANNOT use the same broad terms and expect others to explicitly understand what you mean. This is the internet, where discussions are simply blocks of text and emoji. There is no nuance such as tone of voice, facial expression, etc. People cannot know your thought processes, even if they've had the same exact training and professional experience as you. This is where writing in a fashion that is clear, concise and appropriate to the group you're speaking to becomes essential. I would imagine what you meant by "clean eating" was eating foods that contain essential nutrients (if applicable to the individual): produce, lean meat/proteins, whole grains, dairy, etc. I think most rational people can agree on that point.

BUT.

Again, even if that's what you meant...it's not what was SAID. That's where everything went sideways. If you had seen that the initial problem was just a lack of written clarity, this would not have spiraled out of control the way it did.

Your next mistake was resorting to ad hominem, claims of "bullying", people "being sensitive"/"negative" and mocking people using emoji and generally being petulant. I recognize that these things happen to the best of us and come from places where we feel frustrated and attacked. That being said, we're all adults here. Disagreements happen, and they aren't personal. Someone disagreeing with what verbiage you choose isn't about your character as a person. It makes your argument appear illogical and you a person who isn't to be taken seriously.

The "debate" about pizza being better/worse than chicken is silly, and I think you know that. Chicken can be made "unhealthy" and pizza can be made "healthy" (in quotation marks purposely). No one is saying that one is inherently better than the other, as food dichotomies do everyone a disservice. The nonsense about 800 calories of donuts and candy bars made of kale is unnecessary, and you're attempting to have a laugh while being incredibly condescending to people who are attempting to discuss this topic with you. This tack is also not one that lends credence to your words. I think you initially meant well, weren't as clear as you should be (which is a forgivable mistake), things deteriorated rapidly and now here we are.

Start over. Be clear and type precisely what you mean. It'll help you avoid stuff like this from happening in the future.

That said, I'm going back to lurking.

Good luck.

Just as an FYI, the term "clean eating" has been around for decades. It's not a new buzz word but may feel that way due to the power of social media with regards to the insane amount of people it reaches. We used that term 25 years ago when I was heavy into weightlifting and was used years before that.