1200 Calories some sort of sin??

The problem with mfp is that a lot of people on here 'think' they're an expert except they're not experts at all. Some of it is well-intention-ed but a lot of it is just arrogance and ignorance which is just the worst combination and unfortunately a common combination on these forums. Unfortunately many people on here are just big know-it-alls and they would in fact try to contradict God himself given the opportunity. I'm really sorry that you've encountered this. Try not to let it get to you and don't argue with them, here's why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPfWt0l0V8
(48 second vid that'll make you smile)

Wish you the absolute best with your weightloss journey :flowerforyou:

So noted. You are following your doctor's recommendation. Please, carry on.

This.

If I had a nickel for every time a person crashes a thread with "well, I'm older/physically disabled/morbidly obese/under a doctor's care/metabolically compromised."

People are usually not talking about you. They are usually talking to someone in their mid-twenties who is otherwise healthy and trying to lose a few pounds of vanity weight by starving themselves.

The problem with mfp is that a lot of people on here 'think' they're an expert except they're not experts at all. Some of it is well-intention-ed but a lot of it is just arrogance and ignorance which is just the worst combination and unfortunately a common combination on these forums. Unfortunately many people on here are just big know-it-alls and they would in fact try to contradict God himself given the opportunity. I'm really sorry that you've encountered this. Try not to let it get to you and don't argue with them, here's why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPfWt0l0V8
(48 second vid that'll make you smile)

Wish you the absolute best with your weightloss journey :flowerforyou:

but, how do you really feel about MFP peeps? :laugh:

Lots of good information to be gleaned here but you won't be spoon-fed. It is your responsibility to figure out what will apply to you & what won't. Good luck with it, if you decide to stick it out, it's well worth the perceived snark you suffer while feeling sensitive. Promise. :flowerforyou:

I think the people who think it's too low for them often mean "I can't stick to my diet at that level because it's hard".

There is an exaggerated belief here that you can lose a lot less lean body mass from slower weight loss and that for some reason today's workout calories ought to come from today's food.

And the common opinion that not losing at a shallow deficit is doing it wrong and destined for failure and it means you're misinformed and impatient.

You really don't think much of people who disagree with your beliefs on low calorie diets. I would love to know how much you eat a day as your profile is empty and diary is locked.

It's too low for me because after a couple of weeks on 1200 - yes I tried it - I was tired but not sleeping well, had no energy at work let alone to go out and exercise and my skin looked like crap.

I was hitting my macros eating a balanced diet - but I was miserable. It wasn't hard to stick to the number, it was hard because I felt like crap.

Now I eat anywhere from 1300 - 2000 a day to lose and I feel much happier, sleep better and have energy. Oh and I still lose weight. (1300 is a day where I do nothing, truly nothing - just slug on the couch the whole day)

The belief that people lose more lean mass at a higher deficit has been discussed over and over again - and despite you claiming otherwise you have never provided any studies that are relevant and prove your argument.


I'll follow the science and the people who have successful lost and kept it off, have open profiles and diary's, post pictures of themselves and look great at their goal weight. I believe those people over locked profiles who argue for LCD every day of the week.

99% of the time they have lost with a shallow deficit. And they keep it off. :flowerforyou:

I wasn't aware that anyone gave anyone a hard time about it? I'm 5'1 and only 10lbs overweight. I recently switched from 1200 to eating a little less than 1100 a day... I still get 100g of protein a day and eat fruits and vegetables...what would be the issue? I'm not going hungry or anything.

You really don't think much of people who disagree with your beliefs on low calorie diets. I would love to know how much you eat a day as your profile is locked down.

I like the people just fine. I don't like the spread of misinformation and treating people who choose a different method than you as misinformed.

What you choose to eat is up to you. No one's trying to talk you into anything. My intake is irrelevant but my profile pic is pretty indicative of an average day for me during weight loss (1300ish).

I've posted and posted and posted studies and evidence and usually anything I post is brushed off. Almost no one posts studies that support their side. They seem to believe it because some people with pretty tickers and pics believe it. Someone did post two studies in the argument yesterday but they were about protein intake, not calories.

I wasn't aware that anyone gave anyone a hard time about it? I'm 5'1 and only 10lbs overweight. I recently switched from 1200 to eating a little less than 1100 a day... I still get 100g of protein a day and eat fruits and vegetables...what would be the issue? I'm not going hungry or anything.

Sigh.

What?

I wasn't aware that anyone gave anyone a hard time about it? I'm 5'1 and only 10lbs overweight. I recently switched from 1200 to eating a little less than 1100 a day... I still get 100g of protein a day and eat fruits and vegetables...what would be the issue? I'm not going hungry or anything.

There's honestly no issue unless you find it too restrictive, find yourself hungry, find yourself feeling tired, and so on.

You really don't think much of people who disagree with your beliefs on low calorie diets. I would love to know how much you eat a day as your profile is locked down.

I like the people just fine. I don't like the spread of misinformation and treating people who choose a different method than you as misinformed.

What you choose to eat is up to you. No one's trying to talk you into anything. My intake is irrelevant but my profile pic is pretty indicative of an average day for me during weight loss (1300ish).

I've posted and posted and posted studies and evidence and usually anything I post is brushed off. Almost no one posts studies that support their side. They seem to believe it because some people with pretty tickers and pics believe it. Someone did post two studies in the argument yesterday but they were about protein intake, not calories.

I may have seen you post a couple links but the one time I bothered to follow the discussion, you put the gal on ignore when she asked some follow up questions and challenged the relevance of the link. Why bother posting them if you're not open to further discussion or if you'll just call it "brushing off". That coupled with the closed diary, profile, etc. The "other side" does appear to be providing a ton more information to support their position.

Not to mention the fact that most of the studies she does post are irrelevant (to the discussion at hand) or do not prove that VLCD are better.

Quick question - if you think VLCD are better why are you not doing one?

You really don't think much of people who disagree with your beliefs on low calorie diets. I would love to know how much you eat a day as your profile is locked down.

I like the people just fine. I don't like the spread of misinformation and treating people who choose a different method than you as misinformed.

What you choose to eat is up to you. No one's trying to talk you into anything. My intake is irrelevant but my profile pic is pretty indicative of an average day for me during weight loss (1300ish).

I've posted and posted and posted studies and evidence and usually anything I post is brushed off. Almost no one posts studies that support their side. They seem to believe it because some people with pretty tickers and pics believe it. Someone did post two studies in the argument yesterday but they were about protein intake, not calories.

If you look back at that thread from yesterday, you'll see people acknowledging that there are crash diets/VLEDs out there that minimize the risks (e.g., Lyle's UFLD and other PSMF variants) but there are still some risks to these diets, particularly when they're done for any substantial length of time, and as a general matter VLEDs are unnecessary for simple weight loss which is what most people are looking for on this site. The reason most people try to discourage these extreme diets is that most people I see eating a pittance of calories are not following one of these well-designed plans and instead are following something nonsensical (e.g., a juice cleanse, I've even seen a cheerios-only, no milk allowed, VLED which is beyond stupid). I think the problem people tend to have is you seem to be completely dismissive of the potential consequences of VLED's, but those consequences do exist (especially if you're only eating 600 calories of cheerios a day). I'd also say that your own 1300 calorie day is not a VLED and isn't at all the same as the extreme diets you were trying to justify yesterday as being completely fine, suggesting that the potential consequences of such diets are just "myths."