Chipotle is Giving Us Too Much Food
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The only Chipotle in our area literally JUST opened up, so I've yet to sample it.
But here we have PANCHERO'S (which I gather is basically the same thing, different brand).
And it's AWESOME!
Adds nothing to the thread, but I hadn't seen anyone mention them yet, and wanted to be sure they got their props before we hit 5000 -
2) Let's not forget that if you're being health-conscious, you're probably not getting sour cream/excessive guac/etc on your burrito. So everything in the darn thing is actually quite healthy. Solid grains/lower GI carbs from brown rice, great fiber from your bean choice, an utterly STELLAR protein:fat ratio for any food, let alone fast food (roughly 5:2, which beats even an aggressive Macro balance of 50C:25F:25P), and a few USDA servings of veggies depending on your preferences.
What is inherently unhealthy about "sour cream/excessive guac"?
Also, what is inherently more healthy about "brown rice" compared to "white rice"?
Sour Cream - 60% Saturated (unhealthy) Fat - In a Chipotle serving you're looking at least 30-33% of your DV for the heart-unhealthy type of fat... and if there's anything that I've noticed Chipotle tends to overdeliver on it's the sour cream. Note that a serving on Chipotle's site is 2 oz. (and we've been informed that the spoons are a 3.5).
Guac - High Fat as well - often 1/3+ of your total DV (16g per serving, though as it is avocado based it is likely that a higher ratio of healthy fats is present)
Brown Rice vs. White Rice - https://www.google.com/#q=brown+rice+vs+white+rice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_rice Read the nutritional breakdowns for yourself. General talking points include less refinement = better whole grains. Significantly improved GI profile from the better ratio of total carbs:fiber carbs. White rice processing removes the bran oil which may help lower LDL cholesterol. The refinement process also strips several vitamins and minerals, most notably magnesium, manganese, and selenium. Another huge benefit of Chipotle brown rice vs white is that you reduce your sodium intake by 420 mg (~25% DV) when you make the switch!!0 -
The reason the OP is getting so much slack I suspect is because of the confirmations of the Chipotle worker later in the thread. As the employee points out, a SERVING per Chipotle (read as "the numbers we use to calculate our website-posted nutritional info") is calculated in oz. and translated to spoonfuls/spoon sizes.
Read what the OP said:I just contacted Chipotle to verify how many servings of each item are supposed to go into a burrito bowl
So the OP isn't giving made up information since this is the info he was given by the company. The fact that a supposed employee challenges this later on is irrelevent to why everyone is being so rude to the OP. This is the General DIET and Weight LOSS Help forum. The OP gave the information in an attempt to help others. The people being ****s about it are just showing what horrible and nasty creatures they are and there is no excuse for it.
No offense, but I'm going to trust a ground level employee who gave specific oz. sizing data for utensils over a vague commentary from a corporate phone shill in a 1:1 he said-she said.
Not to mention if you read my math you'd see how 1 spoonful of all of the items wouldn't nearly make up the nutritional data provided by Chipotle. You can do the math for yourself from all their ingredients and immediately realize that your numbers would end up far too low. Just quickly, a 1-spoon of everything steak burrito with cheese, pico, and corn salsas (no SC/guac) would be only ~425 calories!! Fact checking 101.0 -
All restaurants do that to some extent. Food is the cheapest cost in a restaurant compared to labor, building, fixtures, utilities, etc...
Waitstaff in sit down restaurants are usually very generous especially with fries or starches in general, since they work for tips and a loaded plate often gets them a better tip.0 -
I'll take you seriously and just say that I typically assume that restaurants are a bit underestimated; but if it wasn't a typo when you said that Chipotle ends up being 70 calories over their estimate, that's not so bad. I was traveling for more than a week recently, and I just stayed under my goal by about 200 calories each day to account for the likely underestimation.
I read that places like Chipotle can be about 10% off since employees have more discretion than somewhere like McDonald's where a burger is a burger. (And sit-down restaurants can be even more off since the cook will do their own thing.)
But this doesn't mean I avoid such places entirely. I do eat out much less than I used to, but I consider Chipotle a decent option. I haven't seen employees give extra scoops, so that hasn't been a problem. And in my burrito bowl--which probably ends up being more like a salad--I do NO rice, light on the black beans and at least double fajita veggies (along with barbacoa meat, lettuce, salsa and guac). I'm lucky that I don't even like cheese or sour cream.0 -
This is actually pretty interesting.I work at Chipotle.
We're supposed to give out 7 ounces of rice, 4 ounces of meat, and 3.5 ounces each of the additional items. If you want your bowl to be "correct" tell them to measure out 4 ounces of rice, etc. A spoonful is 3.5 ounces...so when we scoop those extra bits of meat the second time, you're not getting double, we're just making it 4 ounces. The plastic side cups are 4 ounces, just for a visual. When I first started, I would just scoop all the meat into a side cup, and then dump it on the bowl.
Trust me, corporate has this down to a science. At my store we actually pulled out the food scale, just to confirm.
Their web nutrition analyzer is for 4 oz. of rice.
Corporate told OP the serving is 4 oz. of rice.
But the employee says they're supposed to give out 7 oz. of rice.
So if all of that is correct, Chipotle's posted NI is incorrect and Chipotle knows it. (And pretty predictably they're 'padding' the dish with cheap rice, not meat or cheese or guac.)
I never liked Chipotle founder Steve Ells, ever since that reality show he was on and the controversy that followed. I'm going to Qdoba from here out.0 -
This is actually pretty interesting.I work at Chipotle.
We're supposed to give out 7 ounces of rice, 4 ounces of meat, and 3.5 ounces each of the additional items. If you want your bowl to be "correct" tell them to measure out 4 ounces of rice, etc. A spoonful is 3.5 ounces...so when we scoop those extra bits of meat the second time, you're not getting double, we're just making it 4 ounces. The plastic side cups are 4 ounces, just for a visual. When I first started, I would just scoop all the meat into a side cup, and then dump it on the bowl.
Trust me, corporate has this down to a science. At my store we actually pulled out the food scale, just to confirm.
Their web nutrition analyzer is for 4 oz. of rice.
Corporate told OP the serving is 4 oz. of rice.
But the employee says they're supposed to give out 7 oz. of rice.
So if all of that is correct, Chipotle's posted NI is incorrect and Chipotle knows it. (And pretty predictably they're 'padding' the dish with cheap rice, not meat or cheese or guac.)
I never liked Chipotle founder Steve Ells, ever since that reality show he was on and the controversy that followed. I'm going to Qdoba from here out.
I don't see that as Corporate "knowingly" creating an issue. In no universe are they required to give you 1 serving exactly as stated on their website of every ingredient. So their NI isn't incorrect at all. It's no different than things you buy at the grocery store -- they all give information for 1 serving.... it's up to you to only eat 1.
Now, you could say it's unfortunate that they list per-serving instead of total for readability, but I would much rather have it per serving and do my own math when I found out the "what we're supposed to give out" numbers. I'd point out that someone on MFP has done that in the DB, because as I pointed out a couple posts ago, if you actually calculated a burrito bowl based on 1 serving of everything, it would actually be much lower than what is in our DB for at least some of the topping combinations... so it looks like MFP has some smart/dedicated users!0 -
I feel dumber after reading this thread0
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when i go to chipotle (and btw, i LOVE chipotle!), i eat about a third of my bowl if i eat there. i bring the rest home and break it into 2 more servings OR i bring the entire thing home, weigh it and break it into 3 even servings. it works great as this way i still get my veggie bowl with my beloved guacamole, and by eating less it fits my calorie requirements. btw, i usually eat every 2 1/2 hours, but after chipotle i get hungry 3 1/2 to 4 hours later. it hasn't slowed my weight loss at all, so it does seem to work out well for me.
Really?????????
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You could say this about pretty much any restaurant in the entire world...really...do you think it's just Chipotle employees who "overestimate" their servings? They're a bunch of kids working for minimum wage at a restaurant...not sure what it to be expected here. I would think that one would understand that even if amounts are posted on a website, when it comes to eating out, it's really a crap shoot as to what you're getting...I pretty much chalk any meal out to around 1000 calories or so.
I think it's pretty hard for a Subway to get very far off, with the pre-portioned servings of meat and cheese - maybe you could end up with extra mayo, but it would be pretty apparent. And of the burger joints are pretty streamlined in that regard. Even the Pizza Hut managers that I worked for were very strict about using correct serving sizes.
We're not talking about Benihana here.0 -
I'm sorry, did you say something. I thought you did but with no face it just sounds like mumbling. Sorry there faceless warrior.I find it incredibly funny that when someone logs on here and says they are having problems losing weight, the very first response (and the 80 pile-on posts behind that) is "You're eating too much" and "you're not being accurate" and "you are underestimating.".
Yet when somebody comes on and tries to give info about how a popular chain can be calorically inaccurate, they're told to man up and stop whining.
I also love how respondents on this site will talk about calories as if they were some precise measurement ..." adjust by 100 calories"..." you need to up your calories by 250..." etc.
It's all very entertaining.
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If their dish includes 7oz. of rice and 3.5oz. of meat, their online NI should be for those, not for 4oz. of each. Of course there is no guarantee of accuracy but there is the expectation that the NI is not for almost half of their actual portion.I don't see that as Corporate "knowingly" creating an issue. In no universe are they required to give you 1 serving exactly as stated on their website of every ingredient. So their NI isn't incorrect at all. It's no different than things you buy at the grocery store -- they all give information for 1 serving.... it's up to you to only eat 1.
Their per serving nutritional info is wrong. It's not at all like a grocery store package and eating more than one serving. Unless a consumer asked for the volume of their scoops or deconstructed their burrito to weigh each part, they would have no way of knowing.0 -
You could say this about pretty much any restaurant in the entire world...really...do you think it's just Chipotle employees who "overestimate" their servings? They're a bunch of kids working for minimum wage at a restaurant...not sure what it to be expected here. I would think that one would understand that even if amounts are posted on a website, when it comes to eating out, it's really a crap shoot as to what you're getting...I pretty much chalk any meal out to around 1000 calories or so.
This is not common sense for a lot of people. Many people, particularly if new to counting, will take nutritional info on an official website or in-store chart as fact.
Too often people run up in these threads, guns blazing, and forget that this isn't MFP-Advanced. This place is swarming with people who don't consider things that us experienced dieters (sorry, lifestylers for all the extra sensitive) take for granted.
Several people have already posted in this thread alone saying "thanks for the heads up".0 -
I feel dumber after reading this thread
Did you watch the video I posted like 6 pages back? There's a calorimeter in it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/opinion/calorie-detective.html?smid=pl-share0 -
Since we're blowing everyone's minds, and everyone says they're going to avoid restaurants:You could say this about pretty much any restaurant in the entire world...really...do you think it's just Chipotle employees who "overestimate" their servings? They're a bunch of kids working for minimum wage at a restaurant...not sure what it to be expected here. I would think that one would understand that even if amounts are posted on a website, when it comes to eating out, it's really a crap shoot as to what you're getting...I pretty much chalk any meal out to around 1000 calories or so.
This is not common sense for a lot of people. Many people, particularly if new to counting, will take nutritional info on an official website or in-store chart as fact.
Too often people run up in these threads, guns blazing, and forget that this isn't MFP-Advanced. This place is swarming with people who don't consider things that us experienced dieters (sorry, lifestylers for all the extra sensitive) take for granted.
Several people have already posted in this thread alone saying "thanks for the heads up".
The USDA allows for 20% error on packaged foods nutrition labels. So the error you see in restaurants exists in your cupboards too. Some things will be lower than you think, some will be higher, and hopefully they will cancel out. EVERYTHING in nutrition seems to be an estimate from TDEE to calorie burns to calorie intake. Do what you think will work. Try it for 4-6 weeks. If it doesn't work readjust. No reason to fear packaged foods or restaurants or avoid them for the rest of your life.0 -
Since we're blowing everyone's minds, and everyone says they're going to avoid restaurants:You could say this about pretty much any restaurant in the entire world...really...do you think it's just Chipotle employees who "overestimate" their servings? They're a bunch of kids working for minimum wage at a restaurant...not sure what it to be expected here. I would think that one would understand that even if amounts are posted on a website, when it comes to eating out, it's really a crap shoot as to what you're getting...I pretty much chalk any meal out to around 1000 calories or so.
This is not common sense for a lot of people. Many people, particularly if new to counting, will take nutritional info on an official website or in-store chart as fact.
Too often people run up in these threads, guns blazing, and forget that this isn't MFP-Advanced. This place is swarming with people who don't consider things that us experienced dieters (sorry, lifestylers for all the extra sensitive) take for granted.
Several people have already posted in this thread alone saying "thanks for the heads up".
The USDA allows for 20% error on packaged foods nutrition labels. So the error you see in restaurants exists in your cupboards too. Some things will be lower than you think, some will be higher, and hopefully they will cancel out. EVERYTHING in nutrition seems to be an estimate from TDEE to calorie burns to calorie intake. Do what you think will work. Try it for 4-6 weeks. If it doesn't work readjust. No reason to fear packaged foods or restaurants or avoid them for the rest of your life.
This too.0 -
I had to stop reading a few pages in...there's no chipotle where I live and it makes me very sad. All I can think about are burritos now...it's been too long since I had that sweet sweet chipotle.0
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Next thing you'll tell me Santana Claus isn't real.
He does exist!
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Since we're blowing everyone's minds, and everyone says they're going to avoid restaurants:You could say this about pretty much any restaurant in the entire world...really...do you think it's just Chipotle employees who "overestimate" their servings? They're a bunch of kids working for minimum wage at a restaurant...not sure what it to be expected here. I would think that one would understand that even if amounts are posted on a website, when it comes to eating out, it's really a crap shoot as to what you're getting...I pretty much chalk any meal out to around 1000 calories or so.
This is not common sense for a lot of people. Many people, particularly if new to counting, will take nutritional info on an official website or in-store chart as fact.
Too often people run up in these threads, guns blazing, and forget that this isn't MFP-Advanced. This place is swarming with people who don't consider things that us experienced dieters (sorry, lifestylers for all the extra sensitive) take for granted.
Several people have already posted in this thread alone saying "thanks for the heads up".
The USDA allows for 20% error on packaged foods nutrition labels. So the error you see in restaurants exists in your cupboards too. Some things will be lower than you think, some will be higher, and hopefully they will cancel out. EVERYTHING in nutrition seems to be an estimate from TDEE to calorie burns to calorie intake. Do what you think will work. Try it for 4-6 weeks. If it doesn't work readjust. No reason to fear packaged foods or restaurants or avoid them for the rest of your life.
Careful - I said the same thing and the resident white knights charged at me0 -
The reason the OP is getting so much slack I suspect is because of the confirmations of the Chipotle worker later in the thread. As the employee points out, a SERVING per Chipotle (read as "the numbers we use to calculate our website-posted nutritional info") is calculated in oz. and translated to spoonfuls/spoon sizes.
Read what the OP said:I just contacted Chipotle to verify how many servings of each item are supposed to go into a burrito bowl
So the OP isn't giving made up information since this is the info he was given by the company. The fact that a supposed employee challenges this later on is irrelevent to why everyone is being so rude to the OP. This is the General DIET and Weight LOSS Help forum. The OP gave the information in an attempt to help others. The people being ****s about it are just showing what horrible and nasty creatures they are and there is no excuse for it.
Did you really just call people out for forum behavior you believe is inappropriate...
...by calling them "horrible and nasty creatures"?
:huh:
Surely you see the hypocrisy in this, right?0
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