GMOs, arsenic, toxins
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You can blame this guy for GMO's.0
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But this same statement is made by drug addicts too. After a "hit" they feel better. Subjective opinion isn't always the best measure of evidence.You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.
Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.
That's why I like actual science.
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But this same statement is made by drug addicts too. After a "hit" they feel better. Subjective opinion isn't always the best measure of evidence.You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.
Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.
That's why I like actual science.
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good point, also how many other lifestyle changes have you made as well that could lead to the same feeling?0 -
But this same statement is made by drug addicts too. After a "hit" they feel better. Subjective opinion isn't always the best measure of evidence.You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.
Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.
That's why I like actual science.
Yep! And then there is the placebo effect.0 -
The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.
Well its not as simple as just plant whatever you want where ever you want and we will magically have the same food source. The reason america has such a corn based diet is because we have the corn belt (most of the upper middle of the country) that has great conditions for growing corn, cooler temps, sunshine, water, and nitrogen in the soil. You can't just decide you are gonna throw a bunch or orange trees out there and have good results. Citrus grows better in Florida and California, lots and lots of sun, much warmer, totally different soil types.
I absolutely agree and understand that, I just know there is more that will grow in the U.S. besides corn and soy.
It goes back to what I was saying about how grocery stores are filled with products that are all processed corn and soy based, which to some may not seem to be an issue, but there's no real nutrition in this food. When the general population thinks it's okay to live off this crap, then it's no wonder why America is the most obese country in the world. In contrast, other countries that do not rely on these crops (and many who also do not allow GMO's) have nowhere near the obesity and overall health problems that we have. Not saying "This is why we're fat!" but it's an interesting correlation.0 -
You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.
Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.
Did you also lose weight? That's probably why you feel better. I feel great too, but I get to eat wendy's.0 -
But this same statement is made by drug addicts too. After a "hit" they feel better. Subjective opinion isn't always the best measure of evidence.You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.
Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.
That's why I like actual science.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
good point, also how many other lifestyle changes have you made as well that could lead to the same feeling?
I have been slowly making lifestyle changes over many years, and many of them have helped to slowly bring me out the "mental fog" that I once had. It has taken a long time but looking back I finally have realized how much better I feel now than I once did. Certainly could be a culmination of things.0 -
The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.
Well its not as simple as just plant whatever you want where ever you want and we will magically have the same food source. The reason america has such a corn based diet is because we have the corn belt (most of the upper middle of the country) that has great conditions for growing corn, cooler temps, sunshine, water, and nitrogen in the soil. You can't just decide you are gonna throw a bunch or orange trees out there and have good results. Citrus grows better in Florida and California, lots and lots of sun, much warmer, totally different soil types.
I absolutely agree and understand that, I just know there is more that will grow in the U.S. besides corn and soy.
It goes back to what I was saying about how grocery stores are filled with products that are all processed corn and soy based, which to some may not seem to be an issue, but there's no real nutrition in this food. When the general population thinks it's okay to live off this crap, then it's no wonder why America is the most obese country in the world. [[/u] In contrast, other countries that do not rely on these crops (and many who also do not allow GMO's) have nowhere near the obesity and overall health problems that we have.[/u] Not saying "This is why we're fat!" but it's an interesting correlation.
So, I still haven't figured it out. Can I eat the zester apples from the tree in my back yard and the veggies out of my garden or not....because you know, GMO. Especially the apples. I don't think Zestars are more than 10 years old, so I'm really confused there.0 -
The overproduction of GMO crops like corn and soy are not necessary, and they do not help drive down the cost of producing foods other than those that are corn and soy based, which is virtually everything that's processed, and junk food.
Well its not as simple as just plant whatever you want where ever you want and we will magically have the same food source. The reason america has such a corn based diet is because we have the corn belt (most of the upper middle of the country) that has great conditions for growing corn, cooler temps, sunshine, water, and nitrogen in the soil. You can't just decide you are gonna throw a bunch or orange trees out there and have good results. Citrus grows better in Florida and California, lots and lots of sun, much warmer, totally different soil types.
I absolutely agree and understand that, I just know there is more that will grow in the U.S. besides corn and soy.
It goes back to what I was saying about how grocery stores are filled with products that are all processed corn and soy based, which to some may not seem to be an issue, but there's no real nutrition in this food. When the general population thinks it's okay to live off this crap, then it's no wonder why America is the most obese country in the world. In contrast, other countries that do not rely on these crops (and many who also do not allow GMO's) have nowhere near the obesity and overall health problems that we have. Not saying "This is why we're fat!" but it's an interesting correlation.
Uh Africa eats a lot of corn products, that the US sends them, but you don't see a super high obesity rate there. It has something to do with the genetic make up of certain races and the types of foods that they eat. Most Asian countries eat hundreds of pounds of rice per person per year and they have a lower obesity rate, rice is pretty low nutrients the same as corn. Oh and PS, GMO's are banned in the UK but they have an obesity rate closing on the US's. It's more than what you're trying to boil it down to.0 -
You're referring to the fact that I feel better? Yeah, that's about the only direct and true evidence you can get.
Not saying it's true for everyone, just works for me. Case closed.
Did you also lose weight? That's probably why you feel better. I feel great too, but I get to eat wendy's.
I also eat whatever I want, in moderation. I am not saying I am 100% organic, or GMO free, or anything really. But I do what I can, where I can to try and continuously improve.
And no, I am still at a higher weight than I once was when I ate much worse.0 -
It goes back to what I was saying about how grocery stores are filled with products that are all processed corn and soy based, which to some may not seem to be an issue, but there's no real nutrition in this food.
Corn
Amount Per 100 grams1 cup (166 g)1 cup (166 g)
Calories 606
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 8 g
12%
Saturated fat 1.1 g
5%
Polyunsaturated fat 3.6 g
Monounsaturated fat 2.1 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
0%
Sodium 58 mg
2%
Potassium 476 mg
13%
Total Carbohydrate 123 g
41%
Protein 16 g
32%
Vitamin A
0%
Vitamin C
0%
Calcium
1%
Iron
25%
Vitamin D
0%
Vitamin B-6
50%
Vitamin B-12
0%
Magnesium
52%
Soy
Amount Per 100 grams1 cup (186 g)1 cup (186 g)
Calories 830
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 37 g
56%
Saturated fat 5 g
25%
Polyunsaturated fat 21 g
Monounsaturated fat 8 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
0%
Sodium 4 mg
0%
Potassium 3,342 mg
95%
Total Carbohydrate 56 g
18%
Dietary fiber 17 g
68%
Sugar 14 g
Protein 68 g
136%
Vitamin A
0%
Vitamin C
18%
Calcium
51%
Iron
162%
Vitamin D
0%
Vitamin B-6
35%
Vitamin B-12
0%
Magnesium
130%
There is some important macro and micronutrients in there... particularly in soy.When the general population thinks it's okay to live off this crap, then it's no wonder why America is the most obese country in the world. In contrast, other countries that do not rely on these crops (and many who also do not allow GMO's) have nowhere near the obesity and overall health problems that we have. Not saying "This is why we're fat!" but it's an interesting correlation.
Average BMI's for countries that ban GMO's
Italy - 23.49
Austria - 25
France - 23.56
Germany - 25.32
Portugal - 24.59
Greece - 26.13
Spain - 24.52
UK - 26.19
Switzerland - 24.94
Norway - 24.69
Australia - 26.10
New Zealand - 26.61
Thailand - 22.34
Phillipines - 22.35
Saudia Arabia - 26.11
Egypt - 26.70
Algeria - 23.87
Brazil - 24.79
Paraguay - 25.32
Most of these countries are considered "at risk" for obesity or moderately obese. The few that aren't considered at risk or moderately obese are third world countries that don't have as much access to food, in general, let alone GMO's.
*just for reference the US average BMI is 27.82.0 -
Uh Africa eats a lot of corn products, that the US sends them, but you don't see a super high obesity rate there. It has something to do with the genetic make up of certain races and the types of foods that they eat. Most Asian countries eat hundreds of pounds of rice per person per year and they have a lower obesity rate, rice is pretty low nutrients the same as corn. Oh and PS, GMO's are banned in the UK but they have an obesity rate closing on the US's. It's more than what you're trying to boil it down to.
I agree with what you're getting at, there is way more to it. And you can't really place the blame on our food suppliers or food governing agencies, it's the people that need to take their health into their own hands.
At the same time, there is a lot that could be changed in our food system to make it a little easier for people to stay healthy. That's all.0 -
There is some important macro and micronutrients in there... particularly in soy
Yes, but they don't put whole corn and soy into processed foods, its HFCS and soy lecithin. They use them instead of things like real sugar so the cost of junk food can be dirt cheap, while anything made from real ingredients is more expensive, so the public naturally is going to buy the cheap junk food.
That is a nice list of countries.... just don't get what your point is about them.0 -
I try to buy organic produce where I can.
But what does "organic" mean? They are allowed to use a certain amount of pesticides on their produce so how "organic" is it really?
I am becoming more aware of what is being put in the foods I consume and I'm honesty wary of items sold in the store. We planted a garden this year and have harvested a ton of produce. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've had to go to the store since our garden began producing.
I am not into the hormones that are put in milk (which it's rather funny because companies will pay more for NON hormone milk) so I buy RAW milk from a local farm and I make my own yogurt and ice cream with it (I'm also going to start making my own cottage cheese as well). My eggs come from a house that we pass on our way to the gym every day. I've seen the chickens running around the yard so I know they are 100% free range and they are hands down some of the best eggs I've ever had.
A friend of my husbands is going to hunt deer on our property this year and give us the meat and at some point we plan on purchasing meat directly from a farm (a relative from the place we get our milk is going to be raising cows and if she decides to raise them for butcher she will let us know and let us buy 1/2 a cow).
And it's not that much more expensive. The eggs are $3/doz the milk is $4/gallon and we will be saving a ton of money buy eating all the vegetables that we have frozen and canned so far. I'm not into the pesticides, the chemicals, hormones and CRAP that is in food today. I question why certain diseases have become more prevalent. I wonder why it is that young girls are developing faster and BIGGER than when I was growing up.
*shrugs* to each their own.0 -
I absolutely agree and understand that, I just know there is more that will grow in the U.S. besides corn and soy.
It goes back to what I was saying about how grocery stores are filled with products that are all processed corn and soy based, which to some may not seem to be an issue, but there's no real nutrition in this food. When the general population thinks it's okay to live off this crap, then it's no wonder why America is the most obese country in the world. In contrast, other countries that do not rely on these crops (and many who also do not allow GMO's) have nowhere near the obesity and overall health problems that we have. Not saying "This is why we're fat!" but it's an interesting correlation.
There is plenty we could grow, but not as economically as corn.
Corn is a carbohydrate which is an essential nutrient. It also has some iron, magnesium, and B-6 in it. No one food has all the nutrients you could ever need so you can't blame corn for not having them all either. Thats the importance of a balanced diet regardless of what the most economical crop in your area is. I can agree that some of the products the corn is processed into are not the best options, but not just because they come from corn.
I believe Mexico actually passed the U.S. in having the highest obesity rate recently.
I think the American lifestyle has alot more to do with obesity than a corn based diet. We are in a first world country and I think we incorperate less activity in our daily life than people from other countries, even other first world ones.0 -
There is some important macro and micronutrients in there... particularly in soy
Yes, but they don't put whole corn and soy into processed foods, its HFCS and soy lecithin. They use them instead of things like real sugar so the cost of junk food can be dirt cheap, while anything made from real ingredients is more expensive, so the public naturally is going to buy the cheap junk food.
That is a nice list of countries.... just don't get what your point is about them.
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You know... you're just not worth this much effort. Go on believing propaganda.0 -
I question why certain diseases have become more prevalent. I wonder why it is that young girls are developing faster and BIGGER than when I was growing up.
Hard to say, but we also have much better understanding and therefor diagnosis of diseases every year, whereas they may have just gone undiagnosed in the past. The second statement seems subjective.0 -
I question why certain diseases have become more prevalent. I wonder why it is that young girls are developing faster and BIGGER than when I was growing up.
Hard to say, but we also have much better understanding and therefor diagnosis of diseases every year, whereas they may have just gone undiagnosed in the past. The second statement seems subjective.
Yep, technology can't be ignored as a potential factor for the increase in diagnosis of disease. I mean, that's kind of what it's meant to do, right?0 -
But what does "organic" mean?
It just means they cannot use synthetic pesticides (I believe fertilizer also, would have to check) and no GMO's for produce.
I still prefer growing my own also, because I use NO pesticide, fertilizer or chemical of any kind on my garden, which cannot be said about organic produce from the store.You know... you're just not worth this much effort. Go on believing propaganda.
Thanks! You've finally realized no one is going to change anyone's mind in this, or any thread for that matter. You go on doing the same.0 -
Maybe we should be like plants and learn how to live off of rain water and sunlight. Problem solved
That's it, I'm going paleo.
I thought you already had!0 -
Can someone tell me if I can eat my GMO apples, watermelon, etc from my garden or not? I mean I prefer the GMO fruits and veggies because they grow bigger, taste better, and don't have so many seeds.0
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Can someone tell me if I can eat my GMO apples, watermelon, etc from my garden or not? I mean I prefer the GMO fruits and veggies because they grow bigger, taste better, and don't have so many seeds.
nope, they gonna killz you, therefor you wasted all your moneyz buying the seeds, sucks to be you!0 -
But what does "organic" mean?
It just means they cannot use synthetic pesticides (I believe fertilizer also, would have to check) and no GMO's for produce.
I still prefer growing my own also, because I use NO pesticide, fertilizer or chemical of any kind on my garden, which cannot be said about organic produce from the store.You know... you're just not worth this much effort. Go on believing propaganda.
Thanks! You've finally realized no one is going to change anyone's mind in this, or any thread for that matter. You go on doing the same.
My personal experience is that some people do change their beliefs when presented with information.
There is merit to exchanging information and/or posting studies and discussing them. There are often times, people reading debates/discussions who may not be posting, who also may benefit from the exchanges.
This is also why I believe it's important to separate opinion/conjecture from data.0 -
Can someone tell me if I can eat my GMO apples, watermelon, etc from my garden or not? I mean I prefer the GMO fruits and veggies because they grow bigger, taste better, and don't have so many seeds.
nope, they gonna killz you, therefor you wasted all your moneyz buying the seeds, sucks to be you!
Damn it..........
The apples in my tree have only been available for about 7-10 years so they really scared me.0 -
In for the lolz. Also I am a huge fan of my diet which is full of science and GMOS. #goteamscience0
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You know... you're just not worth this much effort. Go on believing propaganda.
Thanks! You've finally realized no one is going to change anyone's mind in this, or any thread for that matter. You go on doing the same.
I started to talk about HFCS, but decided not to bother digging.
Here's the thing though, high fructose corn syrup has a portion of its glucose converted to fructose by way of an enzyme. You want me to believe that the micronutrients of corn are, somehow, completely removed in this process. Where do they go?0 -
But what does "organic" mean?
It just means they cannot use synthetic pesticides (I believe fertilizer also, would have to check) and no GMO's for produce.
I still prefer growing my own also, because I use NO pesticide, fertilizer or chemical of any kind on my garden, which cannot be said about organic produce from the store.You know... you're just not worth this much effort. Go on believing propaganda.
Thanks! You've finally realized no one is going to change anyone's mind in this, or any thread for that matter. You go on doing the same.
My personal experience is that some people do change their beliefs when presented with information.
There is merit to exchanging information and/or posting studies and discussing them. There are often times, people reading debates/discussions who may not be posting, who also may benefit from the exchanges.
This is also why I believe it's important to separate opinion/conjecture from data.
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I've changed my mind based on presented information many times. My favorite thing to do is debate because I either become more firm in my belief or I learn something new. I don't care about being wrong, I just want correct information.
@CrunchyDad, this is the second time I've seen you speaking on chemicals, and while I do think that you are trying to keep the peace and still say what you want to say, I would encourage you to really debate this out instead of backing out and saying "whatevs we all have our own beliefs" so that you can have better information.0 -
We feed our kids a lot of organic food - it is great that we all have been eating gmo's / pesticides / hormones, etc., for years and haven't died yet; but that isn't really a compelling reason to feed them these things. Given that, I think it is fine that other people don't feed their kids organic food, it doesn't mean they are bad parents, they just have a different philosophy about their value (usually based mostly on economics).0
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I think the discussion about how America produces so much corn and other grains is interesting. I'm surprised no one mentioned how most of the corn America produces is not for human consumption. Most of it is for livestock, and some of it is for ethanol production.
Keep in mind that GMOs and pesticides are essential to keep quarantined pests and diseases at bay. Right now, the three main citrus producing states are battling diseases that affect their citrus trees (not the fruit, so don't freak out). Asian citrus psyllid is a real threat, and to keep it from destroying the entire grapefruit industry in Texas, regulations are put in place. This includes regular pesticide treatments.0
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