Moderation DOES NOT WORK for me

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That's how I view pizza crust. You feel differently. I'm not denigrating you, but you certainly have time and time again insulted and denigrated me. You're a complete hypocrite.

I feel the same way about rice in Thai curries -- sauce delivery vehicle. Or the same about most non-filled pastas. I'll substitute out for spaghetti squash because the pasta itself doesn't do much for me.

There isn't any objective truth. It's simply a matter of taste. Why don't you try not being such a jerk sometime?

Please call me a few more names and then complain how mean I am again. Oh, and have fun with your fake food and make sure to tell your good buddy, Chef Keller, all about it.

You're a real gem, SunofaBeach. An awesome human being. Go on with your bad self.

Thanks, but I'm pretty sure I smell butt hurt. Don't dish if you can't take.

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Nothing like taking a nice 48 hour risen hand stretched skin, a little fresh ground garlic and basil in the dough, covered with the toppings you like, but that crust.

Those little heel ends that so few seem to like? Man, drizzle a little honey on that, and you know what? Even Tom Keller will stfu and eat the hell out of it.

Oh, and a relevant amusement:
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/5607-a-four-year-old-reviews-the-french-laundry

pfft, french laundry.

"It tastes like a tinker bell popsicle." - So much win right there.

I would quite literally hump a popsicle that tasted like fairies.

That's not weird.

Not at all. :laugh:

Can we talk about Per Se now?

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All the back and forth about pizza is hilarious and sad. I suspect so many people wouldn't know good pizza if it hit them in the face.

Yours truly,

The pizza snob

I hear Alice Waters makes a wonderful cauliflower pizza with ingredients sourced no more than 50 feet from her.

Oh no, SunofaBeach will be back here soon to tell you to stop name dropping and get out a little more. He likely has something against bay area chefs. Because we all know that Alice Waters has no idea what she's doing.

Now THAT is butt hurt!

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Nothing like taking a nice 48 hour risen hand stretched skin, a little fresh ground garlic and basil in the dough, covered with the toppings you like, but that crust.

Those little heel ends that so few seem to like? Man, drizzle a little honey on that, and you know what? Even Tom Keller will stfu and eat the hell out of it.

Oh, and a relevant amusement:
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/5607-a-four-year-old-reviews-the-french-laundry

pfft, french laundry.

"It tastes like a tinker bell popsicle." - So much win right there.

I would quite literally hump a popsicle that tasted like fairies.

That's not weird.

Not at all. :laugh:

Can we talk about Per Se now?

Sure. Let's see if they have spaghetti squash pasta and mashed banana ice cream. I'll be down on Spring Street eating pizza

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The world is full of temptations, the only thing that stands between them and you is self control.

Unfortunately that is the issue but you can get disclipined with some tricks..
Do you like tea have some tea with your meal it will relax your intestines and you force you to eat slower and your mind will naturally know its had enough because how much time you spent sipping and eating slower. Are you a fast eater then practice. force yourself to intentionally chew food 10 times the minimum before you swallow. Our family taught me to eat fast and I retaught myself how to eat slower this way now my husband beats me every single time except twice and that was cause I was famished from working out really hard:)
Try better quality healthy foods meaning really satisfying..can you make a chicken salad-everyone likes warm chicken in a salad full of veggies with avocado even some crackers or croutons. Whenever I have a salad at home I behave a lot easier and you can eat more of it depending how light you keep the dairy stuff within the salad. I love cheese so i always put cheese b/c its worth it to me to splurge a little that way instead of eating super greasy foods like onion rings…other than things like swapping food for yummier versions of food but still super healthy and discipline there is really nothing else thats worth trying any was out there...

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Nothing like taking a nice 48 hour risen hand stretched skin, a little fresh ground garlic and basil in the dough, covered with the toppings you like, but that crust.

Those little heel ends that so few seem to like? Man, drizzle a little honey on that, and you know what? Even Tom Keller will stfu and eat the hell out of it.

Oh, and a relevant amusement:
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/5607-a-four-year-old-reviews-the-french-laundry

pfft, french laundry.

"It tastes like a tinker bell popsicle." - So much win right there.

I would quite literally hump a popsicle that tasted like fairies.

That's not weird.

Not at all. :laugh:

Can we talk about Per Se now?

Sure. Let's see if they have spaghetti squash pasta and mashed banana ice cream. I'll be down on Spring Street eating pizza

I just want to know if they serve a nice brunch.

You wouldn't be referring to Lombardi's by any chance would you?

Lombardi's in Chicago? If so, I wasn't impressed. I had a pie flown out to me last summer.

Nope. Lombardi's on Spring street. Soho area, NYC.

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Nothing like taking a nice 48 hour risen hand stretched skin, a little fresh ground garlic and basil in the dough, covered with the toppings you like, but that crust.

Those little heel ends that so few seem to like? Man, drizzle a little honey on that, and you know what? Even Tom Keller will stfu and eat the hell out of it.

Oh, and a relevant amusement:
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/5607-a-four-year-old-reviews-the-french-laundry

pfft, french laundry.

"It tastes like a tinker bell popsicle." - So much win right there.

I would quite literally hump a popsicle that tasted like fairies.

That's not weird.

Not at all. :laugh:

Can we talk about Per Se now?

Sure. Let's see if they have spaghetti squash pasta and mashed banana ice cream. I'll be down on Spring Street eating pizza

I just want to know if they serve a nice brunch.

You wouldn't be referring to Lombardi's by any chance would you?

Lombardi's in Chicago? If so, I wasn't impressed. I had a pie flown out to me last summer.

I meant NY. There are plenty of good examples, but I haven't lived there in years so I'm sure things have changed significantly. I don't do Chicago pizza

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I feel like doing some white knighting, so I'll say this in defense of the "moderation doesn't work" peeps:

Whereas guided moderation has worked great for me, I've noticed time and again that moderation doesn't seem to work (except very short term) in the absence of some objective way to measure both how much I've eaten and how much I should be eating.

It's all nice and good to say moderation works while we have at our disposal a tool that makes it easy, but if I didn't have access to some sort of way to log what I eat (or if I didn't want to do so), restrictive dieting would be the only way I could keep my weight stable.

In a very real sense, it's less a matter of "one method is better than the other" than one of "we have two methods, each with their advantages and disadvantages".

You can definitely lose weight outside of calorie counting, but my assumption is that anyone posting a question here has chosen to calorie count using the MFP tool.

Edit: I missed one part of your post in parentheses. If they don't want to count calories, I usually tend to stay away from the topic except for mild enlightenment / entertainment. We'd simply not be using the same path to weight loss at that point and I couldn't contribute much if anything to their selected strategy

For 1800+ posts and you haven't figured out that not everyone on MFP counts calories, let alone with the MFP tool. You must not be paying that close attention...

Aww, thank you oh thou genius. Could you explain why I would state what I usually tend to do about a situation I've never encountered? Twice now and you can't even pay attention to the one post you've just read. Wow

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I am taking a philosophy course about art aesthetics and I read a great 4 pager story by david Hume on the standards of taste-it quite relates to what all is happening with all this arguing over taste- I recommend it to all the readers here:). Personally I agree with sunofabeach…If Im doing pizza its pizza baby- bread is very important and worth arguing..especially when you speak to someone who grew up on her Babcia's bread made at home and kneaded with her hands-for a half n hour…you easily become a bread snob! Especially when it comes out fresh from the oven and sliced just for you with a pat of butter oozing over the pillowy cloud of home goodness..every week fresh home made bread WORD :bigsmile:

I hear Alice Waters makes a wonderful cauliflower pizza with ingredients sourced no more than 50 feet from her.

Heh.

I don't have to do or not do anything and you are most welcome to ignore all of my posts.

I couldn't care less what food you eat. If it makes you happy, that's what matters.

Well get used to people constantly asking you to explain yourself when you make incorrect statements, then.