Sugar is the CULPRIT!
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Hormones may make people WANT to eat more, but they can't force people to eat more. Eating more than you burn is what makes people gain weight, period. WHY they choose to eat more has nothing to do with that equation.
No one is arguing that hormones can make people hungry - at least, I'm not. I'm well aware of that.
In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
Counting calories is absolutely a solution to the problem, and also allows people like me to continue eating foods they enjoy, such as ice cream, burgers, fries, and cookies. If I couldn't count calories for some reason, I'd still be able to reasonably assess what I eat, and know if I was eating too much within a certain margin of error. I count calories because it makes life easier for me, simply put.
Education is far more important than restriction of specific foods, in my opinion. If people learn to balance their diet and live with a more active lifestyle, that is going to benefit them far more in the long run than simply cutting sugar and carbs out of their diet...0 -
Hormones may make people WANT to eat more, but they can't force people to eat more. Eating more than you burn is what makes people gain weight, period. WHY they choose to eat more has nothing to do with that equation.
No one is arguing that hormones can make people hungry - at least, I'm not. I'm well aware of that.
In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
Stop, just stop, your stupidity is making my brain hurt.
Why are you even on a calorie counting site?
People's brains hurt when they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand something.
You know, if I start showing equations of differential equations, and advanced physics(engineering physics) and you sit there trying to understand it.
Okay as I said, i'll catch up later people.
Advanced physics (engineering physics) is quite simple to me.
You stupidity with what you are trying to convey in the rest of this thread is what makes my brain hurt.0 -
It may be educational for you if you also looked at the GL of a compete meal in addition to the GI of individual foods.
Like I asked earlier do you even know how GI is measured? You do realize that you can take a high GI food and make it low GI just by consuming it with a mixed meal of protein ,fat and fiber.
He is a quack who wants to make a buck selling books. Alan Aragon will destroy him in debate next year.Once again depends what they eat.
You missed the point. The point was that over eating is a CAUSE of something. The cause is hormones.
You're missing the only point.
Can you please state Taubes as your source. I mean the guy is a quack, but you should at least have enough respect for him as a fictional author to not plagiarize.
He's not a quack, you just don't understand what he's saying as most people don't understand what he's saying.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html
A quack that sells books? Sounds like Lyle Mcdonald.
Or people who sells personal coaching services on MFP.
I didn't read that, link i'll read it later. I skimmed through it. I thought it was about a debate coming up. I would like to watch it.
As I already pointed out, Alans views are flawed. He doesn't even realize he's posting supporting evidence for the consumption of high GI foods which have a higher insulin response than sugar. As Taubes states, and others, this is what is making us fat.
Yes, but do you know what GI measures? How quickly glucose raises in the blood. Thus insulin levels.0 -
Hormones may make people WANT to eat more, but they can't force people to eat more. Eating more than you burn is what makes people gain weight, period. WHY they choose to eat more has nothing to do with that equation.
No one is arguing that hormones can make people hungry - at least, I'm not. I'm well aware of that.
In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
Why is monitoring calories not a solution to the problem of getting fat, when staying under your calorie limit will prevent you from getting fat?0 -
Sugar is my life source and I don't care where I get it... be it fruit, vegetables, or candy.... if someone takes my life source away I will cut a person.0
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In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
IMO, mindless eating is closer to the culprit rather then one particular molecule which is just silly to me...0 -
Sugar is my life source and I don't care where I get it... be it fruit, vegetables, or candy.... if someone takes my life source away I will cut a person.
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Hormones may make people WANT to eat more, but they can't force people to eat more. Eating more than you burn is what makes people gain weight, period. WHY they choose to eat more has nothing to do with that equation.
No one is arguing that hormones can make people hungry - at least, I'm not. I'm well aware of that.
In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
Everything you've said in this thread - every last thing - is completely wrong.
Dear sweet baby Jesus in heaven.. that is horrible advice.0 -
Just from posts in this thread, I suspect one of you does actually understand him. But not the one you think.Once again depends what they eat.
You missed the point. The point was that over eating is a CAUSE of something. The cause is hormones.
You're missing the only point.
Can you please state Taubes as your source. I mean the guy is a quack, but you should at least have enough respect for him as a fictional author to not plagiarize.
He's not a quack, you just don't understand what he's saying as most people don't understand what he's saying.0 -
You know if there's a book out there where a doctor proved that sugar caused cancer...don't you think that would be KIND of a big deal? And not just something you remember reading in some book a while back.
But ok. This is what you've decided to tell people. This is the advice you want to give.
Back it up.
Provide some sources. Some evidence. Jesus how about at least the NAME of the doctor you claim to believe.
Provide evidence of the claim you're making or just admit you don't really know what you're talking about.
People continuously provide and have provided plenty of evidence for people to only poo poo it. So go research it for yourself.
We were never intended to eat sugar. And especially not in the quantities we eat it in today. Do what you like though. I try to abstain as much as possible.0 -
Aliens?Hormones may make people WANT to eat more, but they can't force people to eat more. Eating more than you burn is what makes people gain weight, period. WHY they choose to eat more has nothing to do with that equation.
No one is arguing that hormones can make people hungry - at least, I'm not. I'm well aware of that.
In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
Why is monitoring calories not a solution to the problem of getting fat, when staying under your calorie limit will prevent you from getting fat?0 -
^ThisYou know if there's a book out there where a doctor proved that sugar caused cancer...don't you think that would be KIND of a big deal? And not just something you remember reading in some book a while back.
But ok. This is what you've decided to tell people. This is the advice you want to give.
Back it up.
Provide some sources. Some evidence. Jesus how about at least the NAME of the doctor you claim to believe.
Provide evidence of the claim you're making or just admit you don't really know what you're talking about.0 -
Yes, we were only intended to eat meat. No fruits, no veggies, no starches, no honey. LOLYou know if there's a book out there where a doctor proved that sugar caused cancer...don't you think that would be KIND of a big deal? And not just something you remember reading in some book a while back.
But ok. This is what you've decided to tell people. This is the advice you want to give.
Back it up.
Provide some sources. Some evidence. Jesus how about at least the NAME of the doctor you claim to believe.
Provide evidence of the claim you're making or just admit you don't really know what you're talking about.
People continuously provide and have provided plenty of evidence for people to only poo poo it. So go research it for yourself.
We were never intended to eat sugar. And especially not in the quantities we eat it in today. Do what you like though. I try to abstain as much as possible.0 -
You know there were no fruit trees in paleolithic times. Geesh. All you people.
Yes, we were only intended to eat meat. No fruits, no veggies, no starches, no honey. LOLYou know if there's a book out there where a doctor proved that sugar caused cancer...don't you think that would be KIND of a big deal? And not just something you remember reading in some book a while back.
But ok. This is what you've decided to tell people. This is the advice you want to give.
Back it up.
Provide some sources. Some evidence. Jesus how about at least the NAME of the doctor you claim to believe.
Provide evidence of the claim you're making or just admit you don't really know what you're talking about.
People continuously provide and have provided plenty of evidence for people to only poo poo it. So go research it for yourself.
We were never intended to eat sugar. And especially not in the quantities we eat it in today. Do what you like though. I try to abstain as much as possible.
Oh but wait ... what did people eat before trees?0 -
Once again depends what they eat.
You missed the point. The point was that over eating is a CAUSE of something. The cause is hormones.
You're missing the only point.
Can you please state Taubes as your source. I mean the guy is a quack, but you should at least have enough respect for him as a fictional author to not plagiarize.
He's not a quack, you just don't understand what he's saying as most people don't understand what he's saying.
No. I understand perfectly well. He is just wrong.0 -
Jebus effin Christ I am getting tired of seeing this topic.
Listen, toots, ALL carbs are converted into sugar (glucose) and stored as glycogen via the glycogenesis cycle or lipids via the lipogenesis cycle. This is the way that the body stores energy. So yes, the human body IS made to deal with these amounts of sugar.
The only real issues that can arise is when sugar consumption leads to an energy surplus,and thus fat storage, or if sugar consumption takes such a precedence that other important macronutrients and micronutrients are ignored.
this!!!!!!!!!!! the education system seriously failed you, what did you think is going to happen to your low glycaemic index carbs
Also offended you assume I got fat due to eating sugar, I gained weight due to medical problems and I'm on here to lose it now I'm well again and trust me that chocolate digestive I had with my cuppa this morning isn't going to stop me from losing my pound of weight this week jeez!0 -
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IT IS FACT! PEOPLE DO RESEARCH ABOUT SUGAR, IF YOU THEN CHOSE TO INDULGE THEN AT LEAST I GAVE YOU SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
DO NOT THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO GET ANGRY AT A LINK YOU CHOOSE TO CLICK ON!
I'm not angry at the link. I'm upset that you created a thread based upon lies.
OP, it seems the only things you abstain from more than sugar are critical thought and logic.0 -
In every box of crayolas, someone has to be the Burnt Sienna.0
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Hormones may make people WANT to eat more, but they can't force people to eat more. Eating more than you burn is what makes people gain weight, period. WHY they choose to eat more has nothing to do with that equation.
No one is arguing that hormones can make people hungry - at least, I'm not. I'm well aware of that.
In a free living country, if people are hungry, they will more than likely eat. Calorie restriction(monitoring calories), is not the solution to the problem. You can sit there eating high GI foods all day. If you're under your calorie limit, you won't get fat.
But that doesn't explain "WHY" most Americans are fat. To "solve" the problem, I believe they have to limit high GI foods.
How about just being more active, or mindful in their eating, or looking into the underlying reasons for emotional eating? It seems as though you are assuming that people eat in excess due to hunger, or at least that is how you have presented it above.0 -
OP, when you state an opinion as an "absolute" people will get defensive, particularly if you try to say that your opinion is more valid because you are thin.
People do tend to respond very harshly on the internet. Its easy to be a bit of a bully when you can hide behind a computer. But by that same token, you can't expect to be pedantic like you are being and receive a positive response.
Most people on this forum are well aware that sugar is not a health food, and they moderate their intake to be a part of their healthy diet. That's why they don't need someone popping in to make grand and sweeping proclamations that don't do much other than make it seem like you think people are dumb for not already knowing that sugar isn't great for you.
I limit sugar because delicious sugary treats are hard for me to put down, but I'm still going to have something sweet sometimes. Tonight I'm going to have a fantastic manhattan at my favorite speakeasy. Others limit sugar because they are diabetic or it makes their skin break out. Some people may avoid sugar because of a hormonal imbalance. But MOST people cut back on sugar when they are dieting or trying to be healthier. Most people do not cut it out entirely. And for every story you might have about someone who ate sugar getting ill, there are stories of a 95 bad *kitten* old lady who still drinks a whiskey and smokes a cigar every day. No one really knows what makes us develop illnesses as we age, we only know risk factors. Point is, do what works for you, offer your opinion in a measured and reasonable manner and you are likely to draw less harsh criticism and make your point in a way that may be more satisfying to you.0 -
Once again depends what they eat.
You missed the point. The point was that over eating is a CAUSE of something. The cause is hormones.
You're missing the only point.
Can you please state Taubes as your source. I mean the guy is a quack, but you should at least have enough respect for him as a fictional author to not plagiarize.
He's not a quack, you just don't understand what he's saying as most people don't understand what he's saying.
No. I understand perfectly well. He is just wrong.
^^^ Mmhmmm. Here's where you can find some evidence of that, with links and everything. http://weightology.net/?p=2650 -
How about just being more active, or mindful in their eating, or looking into the underlying reasons for emotional eating? It seems as though you are assuming that people eat in excess due to hunger, or at least that is how you have presented it above.
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You know if there's a book out there where a doctor proved that sugar caused cancer...don't you think that would be KIND of a big deal? And not just something you remember reading in some book a while back.
But ok. This is what you've decided to tell people. This is the advice you want to give.
Back it up.
Provide some sources. Some evidence. Jesus how about at least the NAME of the doctor you claim to believe.
Provide evidence of the claim you're making or just admit you don't really know what you're talking about.
People continuously provide and have provided plenty of evidence for people to only poo poo it. So go research it for yourself.
We were never intended to eat sugar. And especially not in the quantities we eat it in today. Do what you like though. I try to abstain as much as possible.
then please explain the existence of sugar cane, sugar beets, and honey. and berries. And apples. and peaches. and melons.0 -
OMG we are all gonna die. Oh wait, that'll happen anyway.0
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We'll if you're going top pull out that old canard perhaps you could start by explaining why we have sweet receptors in our mouths. Is it to detect poisons like the bitter receptors? Yes, the signal to our brains is, "that tastes delicious, I'd better avoid that because it's toxic". Not, "hmm, this tastes delicious and is full of quick energy so I can survive another day to hunt other things I need".You know if there's a book out there where a doctor proved that sugar caused cancer...don't you think that would be KIND of a big deal? And not just something you remember reading in some book a while back.
But ok. This is what you've decided to tell people. This is the advice you want to give.
Back it up.
Provide some sources. Some evidence. Jesus how about at least the NAME of the doctor you claim to believe.
Provide evidence of the claim you're making or just admit you don't really know what you're talking about.
People continuously provide and have provided plenty of evidence for people to only poo poo it. So go research it for yourself.
We were never intended to eat sugar. And especially not in the quantities we eat it in today. Do what you like though. I try to abstain as much as possible.0 -
Invincible Ignorance of OP......facepalm....0
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That's all I've taken in from this thread.0 -
OP, when you state an opinion as an "absolute" people will get defensive, particularly if you try to say that your opinion is more valid because you are thin.
People do tend to respond very harshly on the internet. Its easy to be a bit of a bully when you can hide behind a computer. But by that same token, you can't expect to be pedantic like you are being and receive a positive response.
Most people on this forum are well aware that sugar is not a health food, and they moderate their intake to be a part of their healthy diet. That's why they don't need someone popping in to make grand and sweeping proclamations that don't do much other than make it seem like you think people are dumb for not already knowing that sugar isn't great for you.
I limit sugar because delicious sugary treats are hard for me to put down, but I'm still going to have something sweet sometimes. Tonight I'm going to have a fantastic manhattan at my favorite speakeasy. Others limit sugar because they are diabetic or it makes their skin break out. Some people may avoid sugar because of a hormonal imbalance. But MOST people cut back on sugar when they are dieting or trying to be healthier. Most people do not cut it out entirely. And for every story you might have about someone who ate sugar getting ill, there are stories of a 95 bad *kitten* old lady who still drinks a whiskey and smokes a cigar every day. No one really knows what makes us develop illnesses as we age, we only know risk factors. Point is, do what works for you, offer your opinion in a measured and reasonable manner and you are likely to draw less harsh criticism and make your point in a way that may be more satisfying to you.
Amen to this^^^^.0 -
OP, when you state an opinion as an "absolute" people will get defensive, particularly if you try to say that your opinion is more valid because you are thin.
People do tend to respond very harshly on the internet. Its easy to be a bit of a bully when you can hide behind a computer. But by that same token, you can't expect to be pedantic like you are being and receive a positive response.
Most people on this forum are well aware that sugar is not a health food, and they moderate their intake to be a part of their healthy diet. That's why they don't need someone popping in to make grand and sweeping proclamations that don't do much other than make it seem like you think people are dumb for not already knowing that sugar isn't great for you.
I limit sugar because delicious sugary treats are hard for me to put down, but I'm still going to have something sweet sometimes. Tonight I'm going to have a fantastic manhattan at my favorite speakeasy. Others limit sugar because they are diabetic or it makes their skin break out. Some people may avoid sugar because of a hormonal imbalance. But MOST people cut back on sugar when they are dieting or trying to be healthier. Most people do not cut it out entirely. And for every story you might have about someone who ate sugar getting ill, there are stories of a 95 bad *kitten* old lady who still drinks a whiskey and smokes a cigar every day. No one really knows what makes us develop illnesses as we age, we only know risk factors. Point is, do what works for you, offer your opinion in a measured and reasonable manner and you are likely to draw less harsh criticism and make your point in a way that may be more satisfying to you.
Amen to this^^^^.
So Amen to this. I have been careful with my health all my life and still got cancer. I limit my sugar intake because supposedly some tumors feed on excess sugar. I still don't believe the malarky that's been blathered on and on about in this monstrously long feed.0
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