Should People Be Allowed To Smoke In Public ?
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Banning Leafblowers should be more of a priority than banning smoking, as the dust created by them is much more dangerous than second hand smoke.
“Leafblowers literally scour the earth: stripping off topsoil, desiccating roots, and killing vital soil-dwelling organisms, while, at the same time, propelling into the air clouds of dirt, dust and dangerous contaminants: volatile compounds, mold and fungal spores, weed seeds, insect eggs, pollen, molecules of the myriads of toxic chemicals people spray and sprinkle on their gardens, trees, and lawns, not to mention bird and rodent feces, and more.”
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART02059
YOu should try quoting a legitimate, scientific source next time.
So in synopsis our argument boils down to you dont like something you want it banned. I do like something and dont want it banned.
Being a responsible cigar smoker and an individual who has and continues to work in the tobacco industry, can state that we as tobacco smokers know it is something probably not the healthiest for us. Now smoking affects each individual differently, some it takes a drastic effect quickly, others none at all.
your "lack of belief" in freedoms is noted and understood. Now in the modern era where communication is open and easy to do, i believe that no ones right to do as they wish should be completely eliminated. For as we have seen individuals will break any law will do as they please.
I believe in open area smoking, where air will dissipate smoke, and allow certain places to allow, restaurants, and bars, not all but those who wish to allow it, to let their patron enjoy what they love0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...0 -
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/diseases/copd.html
from the article: COPD—the number 3 killer in the nation—is almost always caused by smoking.
However, as many as one out of six people with COPD never smoked. Avoiding secondhand smoke is also critical.
Well I go by the actual Mortality and since Cancer is bulked as one and Lower respiratory diseases are # 3 I can see how you may make that argument though COPD ( while the #1 and yes most often cause by smoking) is not the only one that kills... So again I prefer to go by the hard Data and not general Data that can be written to spin things however you choose... Fact remains that we all Know smoking is bad, as is having an unhealthy diet, but people should be able to choose...and that includes walking away !
Point being that cancer has many, many different causes, and is dropping in incidences. It's also becoming more curable. COPD is increasing in incidnences and is incurable. It's also also completely preventable. By avoiding cigarettes.
Please show hard statistics that Cancer deaths are decreasing by an real measurable numbers please... There is no cure for cancer , treatment to remission is not a cure ... COPD is an ailment that many can control and live with far longer than cancer... I am dealing with that right now with my Mother... A non smoker and non drinker , very little is any real exposure to second hand smoke and has been on a ventilator and still could possible die from COPD and CHF... What she did do is live unhealthy and drank Soda daily as it was water , she is obese and that is the reason she is dying... and dying of things you want to attribute almost solely to Smoking... NOT TRUE .... The biggest killer of Americans is our Eating lifestyle first and foremost with refined sugars, and grains being the primary reason... Not because in small amounts they are bad or toxic , but in our eating culture they have become a staple for creating high Sugar low nutritional value foods that many in this country eat in the troughs daily.0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...
didnt dispute that. just the hypicracy. BTW studies have been done to show the positive effects of smoking tobacco as well. One of which is reduced stress levels a primary component of heart disease0 -
Banning Leafblowers should be more of a priority than banning smoking, as the dust created by them is much more dangerous than second hand smoke.
“Leafblowers literally scour the earth: stripping off topsoil, desiccating roots, and killing vital soil-dwelling organisms, while, at the same time, propelling into the air clouds of dirt, dust and dangerous contaminants: volatile compounds, mold and fungal spores, weed seeds, insect eggs, pollen, molecules of the myriads of toxic chemicals people spray and sprinkle on their gardens, trees, and lawns, not to mention bird and rodent feces, and more.”
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART02059
YOu should try quoting a legitimate, scientific source next time.
So in synopsis our argument boils down to you dont like something you want it banned. I do like something and dont want it banned.
Being a responsible cigar smoker and an individual who has and continues to work in the tobacco industry, can state that we as tobacco smokers know it is something probably not the healthiest for us. Now smoking affects each individual differently, some it takes a drastic effect quickly, others none at all.
your "lack of belief" in freedoms is noted and understood. Now in the modern era where communication is open and easy to do, i believe that no ones right to do as they wish should be completely eliminated. For as we have seen individuals will break any law will do as they please.
I believe in open area smoking, where air will dissipate smoke, and allow certain places to allow, restaurants, and bars, not all but those who wish to allow it, to let their patron enjoy what they love
I don't believe I ever said smoking should be illegal or banned. I said it should be restricted to areas where only smokers are allowed. And not inside facilities such as restaurants or bars. It's not up to the business owner but the patron as to the risk to the individual's health. all of the businesses here have constructed open-air smoking areas outside where smokers have no issue going to have their smoke breaks and then coming back inside.0 -
An assault on the rights of any, is an assault on the rights of all.
It's not possible to grant one person or group the right to do or be, without infringing upon the rights of another person or group.
Society is a contract among it's members to exchange certain rights for the good of the whole. As societies evolve, so does this contract. As it begins to favor a majority, the rest are left with 4 options: 1. acquiescence - The minority decides to sacrifice their rights on the altar of greater societal good. 2. protest/revolution - The minority decides to fight, whether by means political or militaristic. 3. abandonment - The minority leaves to form their own society. 4. tetherball - The vocal majority and minority keep slapping the ball back and forth, each taking it's turn in the other's role. The fourth is the least pleasant option, as no one is ever truly happy unless they are supplanting the other...which never fully happens. Though all have occasionally appeared with varying results, the fourth seems to pretty much be the foundation of the modern, Western world's civil thought process.
That said....yeah I think they should be, but I can see the other side of it.0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...
didnt dispute that. just the hypicracy. BTW studies have been done to show the positive effects of smoking tobacco as well. One of which is reduced stress levels a primary component of heart disease
that is completely inaccurate. The negative effect of cigarette smoke on blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, oxygen deprivation and damage to the lungs, far outweighs any potential mental perceived benefit gained from smoking.0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...
didnt dispute that. just the hypicracy. BTW studies have been done to show the positive effects of smoking tobacco as well. One of which is reduced stress levels a primary component of heart disease
I don't know how it's hypocritical then. Also, nicotine is a stimulant. Typically, stimulants don't reduce stress, they add to it. Why are people trying to promote smoking something that is KNOWN to cause cancer? I mean, really? It was one thing when we didn't know better, but now we do. Time to change.0 -
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/diseases/copd.html
from the article: COPD—the number 3 killer in the nation—is almost always caused by smoking.
However, as many as one out of six people with COPD never smoked. Avoiding secondhand smoke is also critical.
Well I go by the actual Mortality and since Cancer is bulked as one and Lower respiratory diseases are # 3 I can see how you may make that argument though COPD ( while the #1 and yes most often cause by smoking) is not the only one that kills... So again I prefer to go by the hard Data and not general Data that can be written to spin things however you choose... Fact remains that we all Know smoking is bad, as is having an unhealthy diet, but people should be able to choose...and that includes walking away !
Point being that cancer has many, many different causes, and is dropping in incidences. It's also becoming more curable. COPD is increasing in incidnences and is incurable. It's also also completely preventable. By avoiding cigarettes.
So the only pollutant in the air, and the only one causing cancer, is second hand cigarette smoke?
It's funny, it almost seems like you're misrepresenting the facts to get your point across.
Let's also not forget the sun. Major cancer causer. Ban it!0 -
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/diseases/copd.html
from the article: COPD—the number 3 killer in the nation—is almost always caused by smoking.
However, as many as one out of six people with COPD never smoked. Avoiding secondhand smoke is also critical.
Well I go by the actual Mortality and since Cancer is bulked as one and Lower respiratory diseases are # 3 I can see how you may make that argument though COPD ( while the #1 and yes most often cause by smoking) is not the only one that kills... So again I prefer to go by the hard Data and not general Data that can be written to spin things however you choose... Fact remains that we all Know smoking is bad, as is having an unhealthy diet, but people should be able to choose...and that includes walking away !
Point being that cancer has many, many different causes, and is dropping in incidences. It's also becoming more curable. COPD is increasing in incidnences and is incurable. It's also also completely preventable. By avoiding cigarettes.
COPD is not preventable by just avoiding cigarettes... here you go
"In the United States, the most common irritant that causes COPD is cigarette smoke. Pipe, cigar, and other types of tobacco smoke also can cause COPD, especially if the smoke is inhaled.
Breathing in secondhand smoke, air pollution, or chemical fumes or dust from the environment or workplace also can contribute to COPD. (Secondhand smoke is smoke in the air from other people smoking.)"
Cigarette smoke is up-sold as the primary so that people like you ignore all the other reasons...Remember My Mom is a Non Smoker.... every study you find will say it increases your chances of but will not give a definitive of it being the sole cause of anything as all illness it is associated with have other external factors...
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/copd/causes.html0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...
didnt dispute that. just the hypicracy. BTW studies have been done to show the positive effects of smoking tobacco as well. One of which is reduced stress levels a primary component of heart disease
that is completely inaccurate. The negative effect of cigarette smoke on blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, oxygen deprivation and damage to the lungs, far outweighs any potential mental perceived benefit gained from smoking.
#1 never ever said cigarettes
#2 . Cigars have been proven to assist with mental health benefits and stress0 -
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/diseases/copd.html
from the article: COPD—the number 3 killer in the nation—is almost always caused by smoking.
However, as many as one out of six people with COPD never smoked. Avoiding secondhand smoke is also critical.
Well I go by the actual Mortality and since Cancer is bulked as one and Lower respiratory diseases are # 3 I can see how you may make that argument though COPD ( while the #1 and yes most often cause by smoking) is not the only one that kills... So again I prefer to go by the hard Data and not general Data that can be written to spin things however you choose... Fact remains that we all Know smoking is bad, as is having an unhealthy diet, but people should be able to choose...and that includes walking away !
Point being that cancer has many, many different causes, and is dropping in incidences. It's also becoming more curable. COPD is increasing in incidnences and is incurable. It's also also completely preventable. By avoiding cigarettes.
COPD is not preventable by just avoiding cigarettes... here you go
"In the United States, the most common irritant that causes COPD is cigarette smoke. Pipe, cigar, and other types of tobacco smoke also can cause COPD, especially if the smoke is inhaled.
Breathing in secondhand smoke, air pollution, or chemical fumes or dust from the environment or workplace also can contribute to COPD. (Secondhand smoke is smoke in the air from other people smoking.)"
Cigarette smoke is up-sold as the primary so that people like you ignore all the other reasons...Remember My Mom is a Non Smoker.... every study you find will say it increases your chances of but will not give a definitive of it being the sole cause of anything as all illness it is associated with have other external factors...
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/copd/causes.html
If you can eliminate the #1 cause of the 3rd largest killer in the United States, why wouldn't you?0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...
didnt dispute that. just the hypicracy. BTW studies have been done to show the positive effects of smoking tobacco as well. One of which is reduced stress levels a primary component of heart disease
that is completely inaccurate. The negative effect of cigarette smoke on blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, oxygen deprivation and damage to the lungs, far outweighs any potential mental perceived benefit gained from smoking.
#1 never ever said cigarettes
#2 . Cigars have been proven to assist with mental health benefits and stress
Yeah, this looks like a good idea.....
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/cigarspipesandsmokeless/a/cigarfacts.htm0 -
I dislike the smell of cigarettes and cigars...intensely. Still I don't support bans. Tobacco products are sold legally in this country. If you choose to smoke outside..open air, and it bothers me...I'll move. As far as private owned businesses...I say leave it up to the business owners.
In short...just because I don't like something...well that's not justification for me to infringe on the rights of others.0 -
I hate smoking. I hate the smell, the taste, the affects. So I'm going to say no.
does that mean I can ban certain perfumes I dont like? i like this open trade
perfumes don't kill people.
Show me the research to back this up.... I would argue a lung full of perfume is MUCH worse on your body then a lung full of smoke.
You can't be serious. I can fill you up with pages of COPD research, if you'd like but it's really unnecessary. Seriously, it's the THIRD LARGEST KILLER in the US right now, and will move to second within a few years. And is almost exclusively caused by cigarette smoke. And you want to try to claim perfume could be as bad? C'mon, now.
Please show me your stats , since you like throwing them out there... From the CDC you will not get any that are not from 2011, it takes them over 3 years to get any stats done.... Cancer is the # 2 cause of deaths, in which Lung Cancer made up less than 1/3 of cancer deaths with 156,953. Now about 28,000 of those were to Non smokers in which approximately 20,000 were from Radon and between 3-4,000 possibly from second hand smoke contact.... So there are the most recent stats from 2011 from the CDC... Refined sugar and obesity are far greater issues than smoking and if you want to talk about the second hand smoke stats and put it in perspective over over 3,330 deaths occurred in the same year 2011 by distracted drivers, with the #1 distraction cell phones and Texting, and those numbers are going up... So if your argument is that it kills any more than other things we come across in everyday life YOU ARE WRONG! ... I am not am not a Smoker, do not like it , and have dated one woman who was and broke up because I could not stand kissing her with smoker breath, but I am not about people right to choose being restricted by those who do not partake or agree with whatever the activity, including walking away from things they do not like.
here is the last link to the CDC, and it is pretty easy to look up the rest , so knock yourself out .... Did not see any thing on perfume killing but was not looking for that as this was to show how people exaggerate when talking stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
CVS stopped selling cigarettes in all of their nation wide stores. This makes me happy.
but they are going to sell marijuana in their pharmacy... they wont sell tobacco leaf aka cigars but they will sell that hypocrisy at its best
Marijuana isn't deadly, doesn't cause cancer, and actually has health benefits... soooo...
didnt dispute that. just the hypicracy. BTW studies have been done to show the positive effects of smoking tobacco as well. One of which is reduced stress levels a primary component of heart disease
that is completely inaccurate. The negative effect of cigarette smoke on blood pressure, hardening of the arteries, oxygen deprivation and damage to the lungs, far outweighs any potential mental perceived benefit gained from smoking.
#1 never ever said cigarettes
#2 . Cigars have been proven to assist with mental health benefits and stress
Yeah, this looks like a good idea.....
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/cigarspipesandsmokeless/a/cigarfacts.htm
Its quite enjoyable. you should try it and learn all about it. Such a rich history
DO tell what activites do you like would you not want us to ban?0 -
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/diseases/copd.html
from the article: COPD—the number 3 killer in the nation—is almost always caused by smoking.
However, as many as one out of six people with COPD never smoked. Avoiding secondhand smoke is also critical.
Well I go by the actual Mortality and since Cancer is bulked as one and Lower respiratory diseases are # 3 I can see how you may make that argument though COPD ( while the #1 and yes most often cause by smoking) is not the only one that kills... So again I prefer to go by the hard Data and not general Data that can be written to spin things however you choose... Fact remains that we all Know smoking is bad, as is having an unhealthy diet, but people should be able to choose...and that includes walking away !
Point being that cancer has many, many different causes, and is dropping in incidences. It's also becoming more curable. COPD is increasing in incidnences and is incurable. It's also also completely preventable. By avoiding cigarettes.
COPD is not preventable by just avoiding cigarettes... here you go
"In the United States, the most common irritant that causes COPD is cigarette smoke. Pipe, cigar, and other types of tobacco smoke also can cause COPD, especially if the smoke is inhaled.
Breathing in secondhand smoke, air pollution, or chemical fumes or dust from the environment or workplace also can contribute to COPD. (Secondhand smoke is smoke in the air from other people smoking.)"
Cigarette smoke is up-sold as the primary so that people like you ignore all the other reasons...Remember My Mom is a Non Smoker.... every study you find will say it increases your chances of but will not give a definitive of it being the sole cause of anything as all illness it is associated with have other external factors...
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/copd/causes.html
If you can eliminate the #1 cause of the 3rd largest killer in the United States, why wouldn't you?
If you can outlaw the things that make most people obese , why wouldn't you ... Again My mom is on a Vent right now hanging on to life she has been on one for 8 weeks in a medically induced coma for 2 of them , Smoking is not the cause of her COPD .. and as I said you will not find any ailment that anyone will tell you is a 100% definitively caused by smoking, are the chances higher sure , but so are the chances higher that J-walking across rush hour traffic is increasing your odds of being hit and dying... Sorry I may not agree with Smoking but I do hate people thinking they have the right to limit others ..
Here you go for politically incorrect ... Being Homosexual was stated by the CDC to increasing the chances of getting HIV/AIDS so if sticking to your train of thought, it should be banned too ... COME ON .... Really? Here is a novel idea, worry about yourself and your choices, and let those who want to take more chances than you or I Roll the dice ...0 -
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http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/diseases/copd.html
from the article: COPD—the number 3 killer in the nation—is almost always caused by smoking.
However, as many as one out of six people with COPD never smoked. Avoiding secondhand smoke is also critical.
Well I go by the actual Mortality and since Cancer is bulked as one and Lower respiratory diseases are # 3 I can see how you may make that argument though COPD ( while the #1 and yes most often cause by smoking) is not the only one that kills... So again I prefer to go by the hard Data and not general Data that can be written to spin things however you choose... Fact remains that we all Know smoking is bad, as is having an unhealthy diet, but people should be able to choose...and that includes walking away !
Point being that cancer has many, many different causes, and is dropping in incidences. It's also becoming more curable. COPD is increasing in incidnences and is incurable. It's also also completely preventable. By avoiding cigarettes.
COPD is not preventable by just avoiding cigarettes... here you go
"In the United States, the most common irritant that causes COPD is cigarette smoke. Pipe, cigar, and other types of tobacco smoke also can cause COPD, especially if the smoke is inhaled.
Breathing in secondhand smoke, air pollution, or chemical fumes or dust from the environment or workplace also can contribute to COPD. (Secondhand smoke is smoke in the air from other people smoking.)"
Cigarette smoke is up-sold as the primary so that people like you ignore all the other reasons...Remember My Mom is a Non Smoker.... every study you find will say it increases your chances of but will not give a definitive of it being the sole cause of anything as all illness it is associated with have other external factors...
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/copd/causes.html
If you can eliminate the #1 cause of the 3rd largest killer in the United States, why wouldn't you?
If you can outlaw the things that make most people obese , why wouldn't you ... Again My mom is on a Vent right now hanging on to life she has been on one for 8 weeks in a medically induced coma for 2 of them , Smoking is not the cause of her COPD .. and as I said you will not find any ailment that anyone will tell you is a 100% definitively caused by smoking, are the chances higher sure , but so are the chances higher that J-walking across rush hour traffic is increasing your odds of being hit and dying... Sorry I may not agree with Smoking but I do hate people thinking they have the right to limit others ..
Here you go for politically incorrect ... Being Homosexual was stated by the CDC to increasing the chances of getting HIV/AIDS so if sticking to your train of thought, it should be banned too ... COME ON .... Really? Here is a novel idea, worry about yourself and your choices, and let those who want to take more chances than you or I Roll the dice ...
I'm very sorry to hear about your mother. As a respiratory therapist, I cared for many people just like her. Watching people die of COPD hasmade me hate the disease like no other, and to know how preventable it is makes me campaign to do what I can to end it.
As far as the second part of your argument, it's invalid. Smoking is a choice. Being homosexual is not.0 -
In my opinion, it should be up to the establishment to choose if their place is smoking or non-smoking. People can vote with their dollar. I don't see how the government can tell people what they can or can't do (within reason) in a building / business they own. Sounds like a little too much government involvement with businesses.0
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In your own home/business do whatever you want. But the minute I have to smell it, we have a problem. I hate it, and it makes me sick.0
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In my opinion, it should be up to the establishment to choose if their place is smoking or non-smoking. People can vote with their dollar. I don't see how the government can tell people what they can or can't do (within reason) in a building / business they own. Sounds like a little too much government involvement with businesses.
Because, via Medicare, the government reimburses all hospitals for medical bills incurred by uninsured patients. This racks up in the billions each year for patients such as diabetics, cancer patients, COPD patients, etc. As long as the government has to pay for it, the government is going to have a say in whether you can do it.0 -
I dislike the smell of cigarettes and cigars...intensely. Still I don't support bans. Tobacco products are sold legally in this country. If you choose to smoke outside..open air, and it bothers me...I'll move. As far as private owned businesses...I say leave it up to the business owners.
In short...just because I don't like something...well that's not justification for me to infringe on the rights of others.
Thank you. It's nice to know some people still feel this way.
I am going to echo this sentiment. People bug the **** out of me all of the time, but I don't legislate against: not being able to handle your child in public (they can smell bad); proper use of turn signals; not smelling / looking / acting like an *kitten* in public; car exhaust stinking; you biking in my lane when you don't use signals, obey stop signs / traffic signals, or pedal the speed limit; people killing themselves with other lifestyle choices (especially health / fitness related); etc. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it needs to be outlawed.
It's like legislating against people leaving the toilet seat up. Sorry it bothers you. You can deal with it and, in a matter of moments, it will no longer bother you. As people have said, if it's that big of a deal, walk away from it or make choices to avoid it. I remember the days when people could smoke in restaurants and bowling alleys, and we all made it out alive. Hell, to this day, I think it's ridiculous that people CAN'T smoke in bowling alleys or bars. Bowling alleys seriously just don't smell the same...0 -
I dislike the smell of cigarettes and cigars...intensely. Still I don't support bans. Tobacco products are sold legally in this country. If you choose to smoke outside..open air, and it bothers me...I'll move. As far as private owned businesses...I say leave it up to the business owners.
In short...just because I don't like something...well that's not justification for me to infringe on the rights of others.
Thank you. It's nice to know some people still feel this way.
I am going to echo this sentiment. People bug the **** out of me all of the time, but I don't legislate against: not being able to handle your child in public (they can smell bad); proper use of turn signals; not smelling / looking / acting like an *kitten* in public; car exhaust stinking; you biking in my lane when you don't use signals, obey stop signs / traffic signals, or pedal the speed limit; people killing themselves with other lifestyle choices (especially health / fitness related); etc. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it needs to be outlawed.
It's like legislating against people leaving the toilet seat up. Sorry it bothers you. You can deal with it and, in a matter of moments, it will no longer bother you. As people have said, if it's that big of a deal, walk away from it or make choices to avoid it. I remember the days when people could smoke in restaurants and bowling alleys, and we all made it out alive. Hell, to this day, I think it's ridiculous that people CAN'T smoke in bowling alleys or bars. Bowling alleys seriously just don't smell the same...
Many of them didn't make it out alive. They're dying of COPD, right now. I've watched them doing it.0 -
@ mccindy
If you are a respiratory therapist as are several of my friends then you are negating to also speak of the studies and in the increased number of COPD and other respiratory illnesses that are increasing with the growing obesity issues in the world and this country... You want to put smoking as the #1 reason and from the doctors I have spoken too as well as my friends in the field it is not so definitive... I would be willing to bet that 10 years form now , your argument will be void and Obesity will become the #1 factor in such conditions, which is the case with my mother...
for your reading enjoyment
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1435949/
A 2006 article that can help explain, that while as you pointed out; the U.S. numbers of smokers has been decreasing and make up only about 20% of the population, That COPD continues to be on the rise !!!!0 -
I don't think they should be allowed to smoke in front of business establishments. There is nothing worse than walking through a fog of smoke when I'm going into a restaurant, grocery store, mall, etc. If I owned one of those establishments I would make it policy that there is to be absolutely NO smoking on the premises. I used to work at a company where the smoking area was right outside one of the doors. God forbid you wanted to go outside, especially if it was raining. All the smokers would line up with their backs against the door and give you the stink eye because you had the audacity to open the door to get out. I was actually very happy when I moved to another department and parked in a different spot because it meant I didn't have to deal with that any longer.
I also think that there shouldn't be smoking allowed on the patio's of restaurants that have outdoor seating. I understand the smoking ban in restaurants and bars -- a ban which I absolutely think is the greatest thing that ever was put into law -- and I think it should extend to the patio. It is, after all, part of the restaurant.0 -
walk away from it or make choices to avoid it
So I shouldn't be able to walk into a store without having to go through a fog of smoke? I should just sit in my house and avoid going out all together because that's the only choice available to me.0 -
In my opinion, it should be up to the establishment to choose if their place is smoking or non-smoking. People can vote with their dollar. I don't see how the government can tell people what they can or can't do (within reason) in a building / business they own. Sounds like a little too much government involvement with businesses.
Because, via Medicare, the government reimburses all hospitals for medical bills incurred by uninsured patients. This racks up in the billions each year for patients such as diabetics, cancer patients, COPD patients, etc. As long as the government has to pay for it, the government is going to have a say in whether you can do it.
Then why be selective, government? If they have to cover diabetics, cancer patients, people with heart disease, why isn't there an incentive for staying in shape, within a certain BMI range, under a certain weight, at a certain level of physical fitness and eating whatever the government says is "real" food? I think my problem is that they're picking and choosing which vices to enforce. Let's be real for a second: alcohol. We won't restrict alcohol? We will restrict marijuana and prostitution. And cigarettes. But alcohol doesn't cause in harm? Doesn't cause people to wind up in hospitals? Doesn't cause a slew of other problems?
Alcohol and obesity account for plenty of our nation being in the hospital with the taxpayer / government covering their costs.0 -
walk away from it or make choices to avoid it
So I shouldn't be able to walk into a store without having to go through a fog of smoke? I should just sit in my house and avoid going out all together because that's the only choice available to me.
This is assuming that people are following the 50 ft rule. I am assuming it for this conversation. As I've said earlier, there are irresponsible smokers who do this. I'm not agreeing with that behavior. I'm still asking smokers to follow the rules. You shouldn't have to walk through that to get to an establishment. Maybe the establishment could help enforce? Especially if they cared?0 -
@ mccindy
If you are a respiratory therapist as are several of my friends then you are negating to also speak of the studies and in the increased number of COPD and other respiratory illnesses that are increasing with the growing obesity issues in the world and this country... You want to put smoking as the #1 reason and from the doctors I have spoken too as well as my friends in the field it is not so definitive... I would be willing to bet that 10 years form now , your argument will be void and Obesity will become the #1 factor in such conditions, which is the case with my mother...
for your reading enjoyment
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1435949/
A 2006 article that can help explain, that while as you pointed out; the U.S. numbers of smokers has been decreasing and make up only about 20% of the population, That COPD continues to be on the rise !!!!
1. Obesity causes restriction in a person's breathing, not obstruction. The O in COPD stands for Obstruction.
2. The rise in COPD numbers is caused by the number of Baby Boomers reaching retirement age - a large number of them smoked, and they and their family members (victims of secondhand smoke) are the ones with the disease, as well as the public who was exposed in restaurants, bowling alleys and bars. The number should slowly drop eventually as the current generation ages.0 -
In my opinion, it should be up to the establishment to choose if their place is smoking or non-smoking. People can vote with their dollar. I don't see how the government can tell people what they can or can't do (within reason) in a building / business they own. Sounds like a little too much government involvement with businesses.
Because, via Medicare, the government reimburses all hospitals for medical bills incurred by uninsured patients. This racks up in the billions each year for patients such as diabetics, cancer patients, COPD patients, etc. As long as the government has to pay for it, the government is going to have a say in whether you can do it.
Then why be selective, government? If they have to cover diabetics, cancer patients, people with heart disease, why isn't there an incentive for staying in shape, within a certain BMI range, under a certain weight, at a certain level of physical fitness and eating whatever the government says is "real" food? I think my problem is that they're picking and choosing which vices to enforce. Let's be real for a second: alcohol. We won't restrict alcohol? We will restrict marijuana and prostitution. And cigarettes. But alcohol doesn't cause in harm? Doesn't cause people to wind up in hospitals? Doesn't cause a slew of other problems?
Alcohol and obesity account for plenty of our nation being in the hospital with the taxpayer / government covering their costs.
It's already happening, with increasing tax levies on alcohol. Most insurance companies are offering two different rates, with the lower rate offered to those people with a BMI and cholesterol level within acceptable ranges, and those who don't smoke.0
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