Sorry I'm Not Sorry - I gotta rant!

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  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    Nicole shannon said: I welcome all you trolls to tell me that I'm wrong
    I thought a "troll" was defined as posting provocative statements to start a flame war. And that certainly is provocative and insulting.

    And the fact that this is what the OP did..Hmmmmmm……does that make OP a Troll?
  • kdeaux1959
    kdeaux1959 Posts: 2,675 Member
    As far as weight loss, I believe that for the most part it is calories in - calories out.. However, as far as nutrition, it is important what we put in our bodies. Likewise, I believe that many are hungry because they lack adequate nutrients in the food they eat. As a result, it is sort of hard to keep our caloric intake down, long-term if a significant amount of the calories we take in are not quality food our bodies need to survive. For the most part, the original poster is not too far off as far as their assessment... Will we blow up like a balloon because we eat some processed gloomburgerizza?... Not if it is done in moderation... At the same time, over time, it will be hard to maintain our energy and sustain a significant deficit in caloric intake if 70% of our diet is made up of poor choices.
  • Alluminati
    Alluminati Posts: 6,208 Member
    I ran out of gelato before I could finish the thread. I tried to make it last :cry:
  • newdaydawning79
    newdaydawning79 Posts: 1,503 Member
    I need the rules for MFP Bingo, btw. Just saying.
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    I totally understand water retention and fluctuations. I just know that my coworker has been working her butt off, logging everything and exercising like she has been for the last year, yet she has been at a complete stand still for over a month. I have researched the subject myself, but I was just curious about everyone's opinion...since opinions running rampant this evening I figured now would be a good time to ask :)

    Is she measuring the food she eats with a food scale? Is she eating at maintenance or TDEE-15%? There are a lot of variables in her situation that could explain it. I'd venture to guess she's eating more than she thinks or is at maintenance because if you aren't losing weight you are not in a calorie deficit.

    That could definitely be it. I'm not sure about her specifics, she just shares her frustrations with me at work. Thanks for your input :)

    As HoF said, it could be that she is eating at maintenance, or that she is measuring her food incorrectly. It could be that she is overestimating her activity level and calorie burn - as you lose weight, the number of calories you burn during activity decreases because you are moving less weight around, which is why it recommended to recalculate your numbers as you lose. The calories in vs calories out balance does work, you just have to figure out which part you need to tweak when the weight loss stops.
  • BombshellPhoenix
    BombshellPhoenix Posts: 1,693 Member
    I ran out of gelato before I could finish the thread. I tried to make it last :cry:

    Noooooooo!!:brokenheart:
  • Mrs_Sarah_Minor
    Mrs_Sarah_Minor Posts: 25 Member
    I recently posted on a thread about someone who is having a hard time losing weight - upon looking at their diary, it showed that they consume a decent amount of processed, convenience, and fast foods. My advice was that they should consider really eating more fruits/veggies etc. I used the term "clean eating". Lo and behold, the inevitable comment came in response to my suggestion; I believe the exact quote was "Seriously, stop it. This is not helpful. It's not what the food is, it's overall calories and macros. As long as a person eats in a calorie deficit, the pounds will come off, it doesn't matter what the food being consumed is."

    I am going to lose my mind if I hear or see this comment again! I realize that for so many people the goal is to shed pounds, and I'm all for that! Obviously, losing the extra pounds is the first thing that is going to happen when converting to a healthy lifestyle, and it's mandatory in order to decrease the likelihood of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc. But that's not the point of all of this. Food can be the best, most powerful form of medicine, or the slowest form of poison. The point is to eat the foods that are going to keep you healthy for the rest of your life. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! Fresh produce, whole grains, unprocessed food, little or no refined sugar/ wite flours - THAT is how you lose weight, and get healthy.

    It is dangerous and counterproductive to suggest that it doesn't matter what you put into your body. I expect backlash to this rant, and I welcome all you trolls to tell me that I'm wrong - but you ask any single expert, or even just a health conscious person out there and they will say the exact thing I've just said. No one can dispute this.

    This post. Rant all you want, but you can't lead a person to knowledge and force them to learn. I'm still learning, and taking baby steps (and boy do I mean baby steps) to eating right, eating healthy, that sort of thing. There are certain limitations to people's eating habits, so you can't just assume that EVERYONE can afford to/want to/etc do the whole clean eating thing. You can't just assume that EVERYONE can jump on the band wagon just because you said so.

    I'm not knocking you by any means, but I've been in the oppositions shoes before. Yes, you can be what you eat, but think of things this way - They are people too, and they might need more encouragement rather than someone TALKING at them, TELLING them what to do.
  • QueenBishOTUniverse
    QueenBishOTUniverse Posts: 14,121 Member
    Sooooo left work, got home, took the husband through his work out, cooked dinner, ate dinner and 5 hours later, finally make it to the end of this dumpster fire. Well done everyone, another successful MFP bingo thread! :drinker: Time for creme brulee, because clearly, I don't understand health OR science and I have a death wish.
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
    I have a serious question that has nothing to do with clean eating or eating whatever you want as long as you stay within your range.

    If weight loss is an exact science of calories in vs calories out, why do plateaus happen? Shouldn't you technically just keep on losing until you reach your goal weight, as long as you keep adjusting your calories as you shrink?

    The reason is because people who "plateau" don't reduce their calories as they shrink. Also sometimes people subconsciously reduce their NEAT (that is, all incidental movement during the day that isn't exercise related) to compensate for eating less. But a plateau won't happen if you are eating at a deficit.
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    I need the rules for MFP Bingo, btw. Just saying.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/475116-mfp-bingo?hl=MFP+Bingo&page=1
  • Mrs_Sarah_Minor
    Mrs_Sarah_Minor Posts: 25 Member
    And besides, You've been on here for how long now and had maybe 6 posts? Get over yourself.
  • WW_Jude_V2
    WW_Jude_V2 Posts: 209 Member
    Can you all please type more slowly?

    Posts are appearing faster than I can read. I started the thread when it was 17 pages long. I'm currently on page 15 and just noticed there are now 19 pages. At this rate I'll never get to the end!!!

    Thanks for your consideration. :flowerforyou: :wink:
  • northbanu
    northbanu Posts: 366 Member
    FROM OP: but you ask any single expert, or even just a health conscious person out there and they will say the exact thing I've just said. No one can dispute this.

    Experts are debating this all the time. And I hesitate to take advise from any "health conscious person" who espouses the the virtues of "clean" eating.

    The reason you get such flack about your advise is very simple:

    Your wrong.
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    Can you all please type more slowly?

    Posts are appearing faster than I can read. I started the thread when it was 17 pages long. I'm currently on page 15 and just noticed there are now 19 pages. At this rate I'll never get to the end!!!

    Thanks for your consideration. :flowerforyou: :wink:

    The are posting almost as fast as these people are walking…

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  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
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  • fatcity66
    fatcity66 Posts: 1,544 Member
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    This looks like the coolest pet ever.
  • shai74
    shai74 Posts: 512 Member
    I do hate to miss out on all the fun. I do have to support the argument that WHAT you eat is just as important, if not more so.

    I know from personal experience I can eat 1300 to 1400 cals a day of "whatever I want" including sugar and processed foods, and not lose weight ... for weeks. I can, however, eat meat, vegetables, fat (under 20g of carbs) nothing processed to a total of 1700 to 2000 cals a day and lose about 2 - 3 lbs a week. Every week. No crossfit.

    All of you who love to defend your right to eat crap, go for it, but it's not as simple as calories in/calories out, and the FIRST thing you should do if you can't budge the weight is look at WHAT you're eating. A Big Mac, even within your calories, is NOT a good choice.
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    FROM OP: but you ask any single expert, or even just a health conscious person out there and they will say the exact thing I've just said. No one can dispute this.

    Experts are debating this all the time. And I hesitate to take advise from any "health conscious person" who espouses the the virtues of "clean" eating.

    The reason you get such flack about your advise is very simple:

    Your wrong.

    For a good time go look at OP's diary...
  • newdaydawning79
    newdaydawning79 Posts: 1,503 Member
    I need the rules for MFP Bingo, btw. Just saying.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/475116-mfp-bingo?hl=MFP+Bingo&page=1

    I ended up finding it, thank you! Wow, that little search feature works wonders, huh? (And I feel like a doofus for not using it before I posted the original quote.)

    Edited for exclamation point abuse.
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    I do hate to miss out on all the fun. I do have to support the argument that WHAT you eat is just as important, if not more so.

    I know from personal experience I can eat 1300 to 1400 cals a day of "whatever I want" including sugar and processed foods, and not lose weight ... for weeks. I can, however, eat meat, vegetables, fat (under 20g of carbs) nothing processed to a total of 1700 to 2000 cals a day and lose about 2 - 3 lbs a week. Every week. No crossfit.

    All of you who love to defend your right to eat crap, go for it, but it's not as simple as calories in/calories out, and the FIRST thing you should do if you can't budge the weight is look at WHAT you're eating. A Big Mac, even within your calories, is NOT a good choice.

    We fight for our right to eat a BALANCED diet. We eat a balanced diet of all the foods. Everyone who eats clean seems to think we are spouting eat nothing but pizza and big macs all day every day. Nope. That's not what we say AT ALL. We say the 80/20 rule is a pretty good one 80% what you all call healthy foods and 20% treats. Make your treats fit in to your day. I love cupcakes and there is NO reason I can't have one or two every so often. Do I eat them every day? No. When I do eat them I fit them into my day. I'm losing weight.

    It really is as simp as CICO. I really don't know why everyone wants to always overcomplicate that…

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819925-the-basics-don-t-complicate-it
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    I do hate to miss out on all the fun. I do have to support the argument that WHAT you eat is just as important, if not more so.

    I know from personal experience I can eat 1300 to 1400 cals a day of "whatever I want" including sugar and processed foods, and not lose weight ... for weeks. I can, however, eat meat, vegetables, fat (under 20g of carbs) nothing processed to a total of 1700 to 2000 cals a day and lose about 2 - 3 lbs a week. Every week. No crossfit.

    All of you who love to defend your right to eat crap, go for it, but it's not as simple as calories in/calories out, and the FIRST thing you should do if you can't budge the weight is look at WHAT you're eating. A Big Mac, even within your calories, is NOT a good choice.

    I'm going to say you were probably eating more than you thought. Otherwise my 1.6lb loss during 2 weeks I ate mostly Jason's Deli and some Pizza Hut must mean that those things are "magic".


    ETA: I'm not eating "crap". I see you already have a horse but could you get off it and realize that food is food and if you know someone who is eating actual crap, then it's not a matter of CICO or whatnot at that point but a psychological issue.
  • QueenBishOTUniverse
    QueenBishOTUniverse Posts: 14,121 Member
    I do hate to miss out on all the fun. I do have to support the argument that WHAT you eat is just as important, if not more so.

    I know from personal experience I can eat 1300 to 1400 cals a day of "whatever I want" including sugar and processed foods, and not lose weight ... for weeks. I can, however, eat meat, vegetables, fat (under 20g of carbs) nothing processed to a total of 1700 to 2000 cals a day and lose about 2 - 3 lbs a week. Every week. No crossfit.

    All of you who love to defend your right to eat crap, go for it, but it's not as simple as calories in/calories out, and the FIRST thing you should do if you can't budge the weight is look at WHAT you're eating. A Big Mac, even within your calories, is NOT a good choice.

    I have 2450 calories a day, after my eggs, apples, greek yogurt, whole wheat bread, raspberry jam, peanut butter, honey, coffee and daily multivitamin I usually still have about 1200 calories to play with. So sometimes, that big mac is in fact a GREAT choice.
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    I do hate to miss out on all the fun. I do have to support the argument that WHAT you eat is just as important, if not more so.

    I know from personal experience I can eat 1300 to 1400 cals a day of "whatever I want" including sugar and processed foods, and not lose weight ... for weeks. I can, however, eat meat, vegetables, fat (under 20g of carbs) nothing processed to a total of 1700 to 2000 cals a day and lose about 2 - 3 lbs a week. Every week. No crossfit.

    All of you who love to defend your right to eat crap, go for it, but it's not as simple as calories in/calories out, and the FIRST thing you should do if you can't budge the weight is look at WHAT you're eating. A Big Mac, even within your calories, is NOT a good choice.

    I have 2450 calories a day, after my eggs, apples, greek yogurt, whole wheat bread, raspberry jam, peanut butter, honey, coffee and daily multivitamin I usually still have about 1200 calories to play with. So sometimes, that big mac is in fact a GREAT choice.

    There's no way that's a great choice. I mean, come on it's fast food…oh wait…I mean, it's food…oh wait…I guess it IS a great choice….(this is coming from a vegetarian)
  • fangedneko
    fangedneko Posts: 133 Member
    And besides, You've been on here for how long now and had maybe 6 posts? Get over yourself.

    Ad hominem attacks only reflect upon yourself. You'd be wise to avoid them.
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  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    Are we rolling?
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    roll roll roll your boat

    We need gifs man! Gifs!!!
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
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  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    Mods, please don't let this roll.

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  • Skye_NS
    Skye_NS Posts: 214 Member
    Can I get some cliffnotes? Ain't nobody got time for 18 pages of this but I am so IN.

    Well, there's been a lot of this:
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    And this:
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    This happened a few times:
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    And, I'm betting there was a lot of this going on at home:
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